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Immigration What should Europeans do with illegal immigrants?

bicicleur said:
Modern Europe was not formed the last 100 years, it was formed the last 600 years.
Before democracy is possible in these countries these people should first accept some of the western values that develloped during these 600 years.
In the mean time avoid that these local dictators become to ambitious but do not replace them.
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We ignored Assad and Syria problem, and is situation in Syria better than in Libya or Iraq? It is exactly the same mess.

I hope Tunisia will survive, but the odds are they gonna get into the grip of Islamic fundamentalists who are trying to destabilise the country with terror.
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That's ok, self identification, democratization and liberation is a process and takes time. It is also proportional to economic well being of population, so lets help them with investments and technology.
 
bicicleur said:
something I just read, sorry, it's in Dutch

http://www.knack.be/nieuws/wereld/h...Echobox&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Facebook

in Turkey you can buy fake Syrian passports to make yourself more eligible for asylum in Europe
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Probably doesn't matter much. Passport doesn't say if you are a good citizen and educated person. I bet that all the people who risked their lives and money to travel so far into Europe and the unknown are over achievers and with higher than average IQ.
 
LeBrok said:
Probably doesn't matter much. Passport doesn't say if you are a good citizen and educated person. I bet that all the people who risked their lives and money to travel so far into Europe and the unknown are over achievers and with higher than average IQ.
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I'd prefer someone with a good college degree over someone with a fake ID

and are you now saying everyone who makes that long voyage deserves to stay in Europe?
 
LeBrok said:
That's ok, self identification, democratization and liberation is a process and takes time. It is also proportional to economic well being of population, so lets help them with investments and technology.
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the main income for Tunesia is tourism
that is what ISIS is targetting with a few terorrist attacks
it is very easy to frighten toursits away
and they have their bases in nearby Lybia

ISIS is trying to tilt the domino blocks, one by one
 
LeBrok said:
Probably doesn't matter much. Passport doesn't say if you are a good citizen and educated person. I bet that all the people who risked their lives and money to travel so far into Europe and the unknown are over achievers and with higher than average IQ.
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Don't be naïve.

If you jump the queue you are not a good person, by definition.

Some will be over achievers all right.... in crime or terrorism.
 
bicicleur said:
I'd prefer someone with a good college degree over someone with a fake ID

and are you now saying everyone who makes that long voyage deserves to stay in Europe?
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I wouldn't say deserve, but it would be nice if they were welcome and helped even for some time.
 
bicicleur said:
the main income for Tunesia is tourism
that is what ISIS is targetting with a few terorrist attacks
it is very easy to frighten toursits away
and they have their bases in nearby Lybia

ISIS is trying to tilt the domino blocks, one by one
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That's why we should protect Tunisia. It might be a good catalyst and example for democracy and prosperity for Near East and Arabs.
 
Vallicanus said:
Don't be naïve.

If you jump the queue you are not a good person, by definition.

Some will be over achievers all right.... in crime or terrorism.
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What a spirit. Throw all good once with few rotten ones.
 
I think we are sticked only to DAESH

what about Nigeria and Bocco Haram
 
Yetos said:
I think we are sticked only to DAESH

what about Nigeria and Bocco Haram
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After good few years of intense immigration they must have arrived in Greece by now. But were are the explosions and terrorist attacks? Almost million refugees went through Greece and thousands of Muslim Albanians live there too. So were are these terrorists, Yetos? I want to remind you that you also predicted big revolution and end of capitalism from "occupy" movement, big Kosova, and Macedonia war, and WW3. You should quit being a prophet, Yetos.
 
LeBrok said:
What a spirit. Throw all good once with few rotten ones.
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If they are all jumping the queue they are all rotten.
Illegality is illegality.

A cheat and queue-jumper is a cheat and a queue-jumper and not a "good citizen" in your words, having abandoned their homeland without a fight.
 
Vallicanus said:
If they are all jumping the queue they are all rotten.
Illegality is illegality.
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Did you ever break a law? Let the one without a sin to cast first stone...

A cheat and queue-jumper is a cheat and a queue-jumper and not a "good citizen" in your words, having abandoned their homeland without a fight.
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I wish you could trade places with them, and then say the same line after few yeas living under dictators or Daesh savagery.
 
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