Immigration What should Europeans do with illegal immigrants?

[Vallicanus]

Exactly what I'm trying to address here. The scale of the problem needs a new solution and united action. I'm for doing it legally.

Like the Australian points system.

Europe does not require workers for all those jobs that will soon be automated.

BTW An independent Kurdistan could not stand against ISIS without US or other external help.

 

[LeBrok]

Obviously, how could I not have thought this! Racism is to blame! Well, that implies that the US, Canada and Australia experience far less racism of employers.

But what is this? A report on racism by Canadian employers? No, impossible!

I said "Perhaps" as an example to look at underlying problem. Interestingly you picked it up in very defensive way and pointed to the racism in Canada. Well, there is racism in Canada to some degree, as well as there is racism in Holland. I'm just confused what racism in Canada has to do with unemployment of recent emigrants in Holland? Perhaps you didn't express your thoughts correctly?

http://www.wellesleyinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Colour_Coded_Labour_MarketFINAL.pdf

and there is more:

http://well-being.esdc.gc.ca/misme-iowb/[email protected]?iid=16

Your argument falls apart there.

Am I missing something again, or the chart says Recent immigrants? It would be very surprising, if people who still learn English and new occupations had lesser unemployment than folks born here. Do you think?

EDIT: We just proved that racism is also rampant in Canada. Now how come Canada, the US and Australia are such immigration successes whereas immigrants in Europe remain unemployed? What is the difference? Those 3 were colonized by Europeans. But that can't be the reason because that woudl be a racist conclusion. Henceforth the only other difference, to wit your 3 success stories all reduced the original population to a tiny and sorry minority, must be the cause.

Firstly, not only Europeans. Especially mosaics of US is very telling. I think European descent whites are in minority now and yet US is still economic superpower, with black president. Secondly, if all European countries were economically vibrant, you would have a very valid point.
You would think that Greeks and Romans were the master races of all times, times changed and it doesn't look like this at all now. In 100 years you can point to India or China, perhaps, for superior humans as their economies might be the most vibrant. Weren't Japanese in 80 the super race of production and growth? Perhaps Egyptians or Babylonians were the ones in BC times?
Is it really about the race then or the right system in place?

 

[Vukodav]

Europe is already extremely polluted and overcrowed so it doesn't need millions of illiterate brown people from Syria, Iraq and Pakistan.

Genuine refugees should be deported to countries which are financing islamic radicals in Syria/Somalia/Yemen like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran...

Economic immigrants should be deported to their home countries.

 

[Vukodav]

I said "Perhaps" as an example to look at underlying problem. Interestingly you picked it up in very defensive way and pointed to the racism in Canada. Well, there is racism in Canada to some degree, as well as there is racism in Holland. I'm just confused what racism in Canada has to do with unemployment of recent emigrants in Holland? Perhaps you didn't express your thoughts correctly?



Am I missing something again, or the chart says Recent immigrants? It would be very surprising, if people who still learn English and new occupations had lesser unemployment than folks born here. Do you think?






Firstly, not only Europeans. Especially mosaics of US is very telling. I think European descent whites are in minority now and yet US is still economic superpower, with black president. Secondly, if all European countries were economically vibrant, you would have a very valid point.
You would think that Greeks and Romans were the master races of all times, times changed and it doesn't look like this at all now. In 100 years you can point to India or China, perhaps, for superior humans as their economies might be the most vibrant. Weren't Japanese in 80 the super race of production and growth? Perhaps Egyptians or Babylonians were the ones in BC times?
Is it really about the race then or the right system in place?

The US and Canada have large open spaces not yet urbanized. Yuropeans should send all these precious immigrants to North America, so that native Canadians/Americans can finally enjoy the beauty of diversity.

 

[Kardu]

Especially mosaics of US is very telling. I think European descent whites are in minority now and yet US is still economic superpower, with black president.

Black president?! he is half-white. Or you are judging by the skin shade? Quite racist approach by your own standards. proper definition would be mixed-race...

 

[LeBrok]

Black president?! he is half-white. Or you are judging by the skin shade? Quite racist approach by your own standards. proper definition would be mixed-race...

Explain how describing colour of skin is racist?

 

[LeBrok]

Europe is already extremely polluted and overcrowed so it doesn't need millions of illiterate brown people from Syria, Iraq and Pakistan.

Genuine refugees should be deported to countries which are financing islamic radicals in Syria/Somalia/Yemen like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran...

Economic immigrants should be deported to their home countries.

The US and Canada have large open spaces not yet urbanized. Yuropeans should send all these precious immigrants to North America, so that native Canadians/Americans can finally enjoy the beauty of diversity.

Your IP address says that you live in Naples, Italy. Looks like yet another immigrant is spitting on other immigrants. I'm sure locals treat you with respect and compassion you deserve.

 

[LeBrok]

Julia,

I support any effort to save souls and stop war and return them home,

but this is not a good image,




early morning in the island of Lesvos, Mytilene town, a mall of greek industry, turism
how do you feel to drink your morning coffee and see this,

fights among illegal immigrants according religion and ethnicity,


they do not accept they are in a new country,

and I think a new immigration policy must run Europe


and I think Europe once more got unfortified, and unprepaired

They are so bad? How about 900 attacks of Greeks on immigrants?!
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/javied-aslam-interview

Do you want me to stat posting pictures of bleeding immigrants hurt by Greek hooligans? Tone down your wild accusations with pictures.

 

[LeBrok]

Like the Australian points system.

Europe does not require workers for all those jobs that will soon be automated.

Let market decide.

BTW An independent Kurdistan could not stand against ISIS without US or other external help.

I don't get the reason you saying that for?

 

[LeBrok]

DID YOU HEAR ANY MUSLIM COUNTRY TO OFFER A HAND OF HELP AND RELIEF TO IMMIGRANTS
answer is NO,
Not even SAUDI which are the holy land of Islammade a camp to accomodate some
and last question

Yetos, your hatred is blinding you once again. Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey took millions of Syrians in!

They look better than Greek camps, don't you say?

This is Jun 2014 sytuation:

 

[LeBrok]

Who does the most for Syrians from Western countries:
Where most refugees ended up in 2013:

Pledges for Syrian refugees Jun 2015:

https://www.freemovement.org.uk/resettlement-of-syrian-refugees-uk-bottom-of-league-table/

 

[LeBrok]

For rich, migration is faster. Just buy your own sponsorship.

Australia is so expansive, ouch!!!

 

[Vallicanus]

Let market decide.

I don't get the reason you saying that for?

Let the market decide? How primitive.
You would think the USA had no poor people and a wonderful health system that caters for all (like the UK's NHS).
Technology (which you so admire) and its costs will decide.
I see online banking, online shopping, plenty of supermarkets with automatic checkouts and we now have driverless subway trains.
Robots and other forms of automation will do more and more of the menial, repetitive jobs so we don't require millions of unskilled humans.

Can't you understand there are too many humans for too few jobs. Yes, immigrants take dirty jobs but soon robots will do much of this work.

Somebody mentioned the breakup of Turkey and an independent Kurdistan.

A strong united Turkey is absolutely vital in the region.

 

[Kardu]

Yetos, your hatred is blinding you once again. Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey took millions of Syrians in!

In the article I shared earlier one Lebanse says about the migrants (of common ethnic and cultural backgrounds): “The Lebanese are being squeezed because of them. They have less food. They don’t have jobs,” said Rahimi, who is a Shiite Muslim. “If this situation continues much longer, there will be war” between the refugees and the native population."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/as-tragedies-shock-europe-a-bigger-refugee-crisis-looms-in-the-middle-east/2015/08/29/3858b284-9c15-11e4-86a3-1b56f64925f6_story.html

 

[Kardu]

About this kind of suicidal idiocy is said: Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind

"Germany's top official dealing with refugees said on Monday that there was 'no upper limit' to Germany's capacity for taking in people in need of asylum."


http://www.thelocal.de/20150831/there-is-no-limit-to-the-refugees-germany-can-take-in

 

[Vallicanus]

Frau Merkel has blinked.

The New World Order, run by market forces, comes ever nearer.

 

[DejaVu]

http://www.thelocal.se/20140619/sweden-takes-19-percent-of-eus-asylum-seekers
Sweden takes 19 percent of EU's asylum seekers


Sweden took in almost 20 percent of the EU's asylum seekers in 2013, more than any other country in the union.
Despite Sweden's relatively small population of 9.5 million people, which is 1.9 percent of the European Union's total population, the country took in 19.5 percent of the 135,700 asylum seekers in 2013.

Of the asylum seekers in Sweden, 46 percent were from Syria. In fact, of the 35,800 Syrians granted protection status in the EU28, over 60 percent were recorded in Sweden and Germany at 12,000 and 9,600 respectively.

After Syrians, most of Sweden's asylum seekers in 2013 were stateless at a total of 4,110. The third biggest group was from Eritrea at 2,565.

In September last year, Sweden granted permanent residence to all Syrian refugees, the first country in the EU to do so.

Elsewhere in the EU, Germany took in the second-highest number of asylum seekers with 26,080, followed by France with 16,115.

Altogether, the five member states of Sweden, Germany, France, Italy and the UK took in more than 70 percent of those granted protection status in the EU last year.

The total number of Europe's asylum seekers shot up from 116,200 in 2012.

The statistics were published by Eurostat , the statistical office of the European Union, on Thursday.

 

[LeBrok]

Let the market decide? How primitive.
You would think the USA had no poor people and a wonderful health system that caters for all (like the UK's NHS).
Technology (which you so admire) and its costs will decide.
I see online banking, online shopping, plenty of supermarkets with automatic checkouts and we now have driverless subway trains.
Robots and other forms of automation will do more and more of the menial, repetitive jobs so we don't require millions of unskilled humans.

Can't you understand there are too many humans for too few jobs. Yes, immigrants take dirty jobs but soon robots will do much of this work.

Somebody mentioned the breakup of Turkey and an independent Kurdistan.

A strong united Turkey is absolutely vital in the region.

Which countries have more unemployment, the leaders in automation like Japan, US and UK, or the ones without robotics and automation like Greece, Nigeria and Venezuela? Don't take my word for it, the real life has spoken.

 

[DejaVu]

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/global-europe/majority-germans-reject-immigration-outside-eu-312282
Poll: Majority of Germans reject immigration from outside the EU


Germans see immigration as the EU’s most important current challenge, while a majority are opposed to immigrants from outside the bloc.
EurActiv Germany reports.

In Thursday’s (19 February) national edition of the Eurobarometer opinion poll, 37% of Germans surveyed see migration as the biggest challenge for the EU, and for Germany, at the moment.Only in the United Kingdom (38%) and Malta (57%) are these percentages higher. In most member states, the economic situation (33%) and unemployment (29%) were perceived as the biggest Europe-wide issues.Meanwhile only 29% of Germans have a positive opinion of immigration from third countries, outside the EU.
A relative majority (45%) said they believe illegal immigration into the EU should be counteracted at both EU and national levels. This corresponds to perceptions among a growing number of respondents in Germany (29%), who feel there are not enough inspections at the EU’s external borders.As a result, German citizens are somewhat more critical than the average of all Europeans surveyed, of which 57% are against immigrants from third countries.
Opposition was higher than in Germany among respondents from Italy (75%), Latvia (79%) and Slovakia (74%).“The issue of migration has become more controversial and has reached the mainstream of society,” said Richard Kühnel, representative of the European Commission in Germany. Better integration of immigrants from third countries is a shared task, he explained. Protection of refugees, who come to the EU via the Mediterranean, must also be improved, Kühnel indicated.Half of Germans surveyed (50%) welcome immigration from other EU member states.
76% of Germans said they thought it was good that every EU citizen can live in any EU country. 76% of Germans see it as a good thing that every EU citizen can work in an EU country of their choosing.Meanwhile Germany is attracting a growing number of immigrants, especially from Eastern Europe. In the first half of 2014, 667,000 people moved to the Federal Republic. That is 112,000 or 20% more than the year before, the Federal Statistical Office indicated on Thursday.At the same time, 427,000 people left Germany. The resulting difference between those leaving and arriving was 240,000 more people moving into the country than moving out.

“Most foreign immigrants who arrived came from Europe,” the statisticians explained. Romania (98,000) is first on the list, followed by Poland (96,000) and Bulgaria (38,000).“In the cases of Romania and Bulgaria, it can be observed as the result of the complete free movement of workers which took effect in 2014, seven years after EU accession took effect for both states,” the Statistical Office indicated.Among non-European states, immigration from the civil-war-ridden country Syria saw a considerable increase – rising 242% and thereby reaching 22,000 immigrants.Many citizens from southern eurozone states also come to Germany because of the economic and debt crises. Immigration from Italy increase by 28%, and from Spain by 1%.
At the same time, immigration from Greece decreased by 7%.More people also came from Bosnia Herzegovina and Serbia, which “is likely to correspond in part to the growing number of asylum seekers from these countries,” the Statistical Office said.A prediction from the Federal Agency for Migration and Refugees (BAMF) indicates the total number of asylum applications is likely to rise 50% compared to 2014, reaching 300,000. This includes around 250,000 first-time and 50,000 follow-up applications, a spokeswoman from the Federal Agency said on Thursday, citing the prognosis, which she said had been sent to the federal states.With 203,000 applications last year, the Federal Republic already recorded its fourth highest number of applications since its existence.
At the same time, authorities have become more strict: 10,884 people were deported, more than had been in eight years.The German authorities are particularly concerned about increasing numbers of people coming from Kosovo, who are often brought in by human traffickers. At the federal and regional levels, there is agreement that applications from Kosovo should be processed within two weeks, and that deportation should be used more readily.

 

[LeBrok]

In the article I shared earlier one Lebanse says about the migrants (of common ethnic and cultural backgrounds): “The Lebanese are being squeezed because of them. They have less food. They don’t have jobs,” said Rahimi, who is a Shiite Muslim. “If this situation continues much longer, there will be war” between the refugees and the native population."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/as-tragedies-shock-europe-a-bigger-refugee-crisis-looms-in-the-middle-east/2015/08/29/3858b284-9c15-11e4-86a3-1b56f64925f6_story.html

And yet they share the little they have.