And you know absolutely nothing about Iranian history, as Dr. Stanislav Grigoriev said recently in his 452 pages book about the origin of Indo-Iranians and we also read in the ancient Iranian sources, like Bundahishn, the original land was in Azerbaijan in the northwest of Iran, then Indo-Iranians migrated to the southeast of Iran, ... they migrated to India from Sarazm in Tajikistan.
Iosif Lazaridis: Proto-Indo-Europeans had dark hair, brown eyes, and an intermediate skin tone
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The 30% light eyed statement is only referring to actual phenotype which means two copies of the blue eyes marker, or 'biallelic pure blue'.
You’re right that’s not that dark, probably comparable to modern Northern Italian or Romanian pigmentation. Still we‘re talking about a Corded ware derived culture which was lighter than Yamnaya.
"What I have stated is reality. Modern Iranians do not phenotypically resemble the people that brought to them their Indo-European derived culture/civilization and although they may descend from those Indo-European people, today, they barely resemble them on a genetic level due to social/historical factors"What is the ridiculousness of the statement? What I have stated is reality. Modern Iranians do not phenotypically resemble the people that brought to them their Indo-European derived culture/civilization and although they may descend from those Indo-European people, today, they barely resemble them on a genetic level due to social/historical factors (ex: mixing with the natives of Iran/being subject to invasions/occupations from various different races/ethnicities. This holds for people in India as well.
Think of it like this, if the current demographic trajectory of the United States continues, perhaps in 200-300 years (assuming the USA will even exist in its current form by then) we'll have mestizos in America claiming that George Washington or Donald Trump resembled them phenotypically and genetically.
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Why do you think OP was and has been trying to pass off a phenotypic anomaly of a white-looking Iranian as some sort of representation of Iranians? Like I said before, OP suffers from an inferiority complex. He has been trying to latch onto White-ness/European-ness by trying to cling onto Italians and claiming that Iranians and Italians are more similar to each other than Italians are to their fellow European. He is not the first Iranian to do this, there have been many and will be many more that suffer from this obnoxious complex.
Also, lets not forget that the OP started off this thread by claiming that because Proto-Indo-Europeans had dark hair and brown eyes, that people with blonde hair and blue eyes cannot be genetically considered the decedents of Indo-Europeans. This was shown to be incorrect considering that those people with blonde hair and blue eyes (ie: in his eyes, people from the Northern regions of Europe) are populations with the largest amount of Indo-European admixture relative to other populations. He then tried to post phenotypic anomalies and try to claim them as the generic Iranian and that was shown to be a delusion by posting general crowds of Iranians. Since then he has been continuing to attach Iranians to Italians (ie European-ness/White-ness). With all this, you seriously don't think OP has an inferiority complex? From personal experience, this guy is definitely not the first Iranian/Indian/etc to engage in this path (sometimes that latch onto Greeks rather than Italians,). Come on, don't be dense as to what is going on here.
how do you know? and of course you bring in immigration to US as an example. not surprised.
"Like I said before, OP suffers from an inferiority complex. He has been trying to latch onto White-ness/European-ness by trying to cling onto Italians and claiming that Iranians and Italians are more similar to each other than Italians are to their fellow European. He is not the first Iranian to do this, there have been many and will be many more that suffer from this obnoxious complex."
again how do you know? do you just assume every iranian who tries to find connections between italians or other european people and iranians is having inferiority complexes?
and whiteness isn't a closed thing, genetically maaaaybe, certainly not phenotypically. if he wants to latch onto it, his examples would be perfectly valid. even if you want to call them "anomalies". even genetically he could try to latch onto it easily but he would have to take other populations into account.
and no with all of this there are still a lot more reason to do this without having these inferiority complexes you really want to see.
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considering that a big chunk of your posts on this site revolves around phenotypes i wouldn't be surprised if you actually have an account on the Apricity.We Northern Italians practice self restraint, even with trolls from The Apricity/RedditThat's the way to get under their skin, as this new "Swiss" user already on a desperate 10-posts streak shows...$
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I'm amazed that the feeding of a troll is 10 pages worth so far. The picture with the "Iranian football fans" is hilarious. There's just an elderly lady with two other women behind her that are Iranian. All the other people in the picture are Russian or European. Some even have Russian flags painted on their cheeks or wear scarfs in Russian colours. Then the cherry-picking of phenotypes that represents 0,5% of the population, doctoring pictures to make the people on them more light-skinned or showing them from various "favourable" angles.
It is a love-hate relationship that some Middle Easterners have with Europe and white people in general. The people most suffering from this inferiority complex are the Iranians, the Lebanese and the Turks. It's a combination of hatred and jealousy. Why is the OP allowed to start the same kind of threads all over again? All his threads are variations on the same theme. This being said, I don't want to insult the Iranian people. I am very fond of them and think that they have every reason to be proud of their history and cultural heritage. But their heritage has nothing to do with Europe and only very little with the PIEs.
It is a love-hate relationship that some Middle Easterners have with Europe and white people in general. The people most suffering from this inferiority complex are the Iranians, the Lebanese and the Turks. It's a combination of hatred and jealousy. Why is the OP allowed to start the same kind of threads all over again? All his threads are variations on the same theme. This being said, I don't want to insult the Iranian people. I am very fond of them and think that they have every reason to be proud of their history and cultural heritage. But their heritage has nothing to do with Europe and only very little with the PIEs.
Those are Iranian Football Fans in St. Petersburg, Russia, source: https://www.dreamstime.com/fifa-fan...d-cup-iranian-fans-stand-crowd-image119920295
Of course some of them can be Russian but this is just based on your racist thoughts that you see a big difference between them, for this reason you say a white European girl is beautiful but the famous Iranian actress Shohreh Ghamar is an ugly depigmented Iranian!
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HereToLearn
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So accurate.
The fact is that the people who really suffer from inferiority complex are South Europeans, especially Italians, I have myself said that the majority of Iranians have dark hair, brown eyes, and an intermediate skin tone, like what Lazaridis said about the original Indo-Europeans, but it seems some Italians don't like to believe this thing about the people of their country and tried to prove they have a bit lighter skin color!
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No need to prove anything, it is what it is. Also Lazaridis never said or even hinted that the original Indo-Europeans looked like the modern Iranians give us a break, you are a clown but even clowns get boring after while.
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Iranian, Italian businessmen discuss two countries' trade capacities: https://en.irna.ir/news/83573731/Iranian-Italian-businessmen-discuss-two-countries-trade-capacities
Which of these are Italian?
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You can immediately tell who's the Russian and who's the Iranian in these pictures, once again you are embarassing yourself and your people.
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F*** off to the Apricity dude. I bet IRL you look almost Pakistani.Iranian, Italian businessmen discuss two countries' trade capacities: https://en.irna.ir/news/83573731/Iranian-Italian-businessmen-discuss-two-countries-trade-capacities
Which of these are Italian?
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As far as I can see it's only your insecure Middle Eastern buddy here who keeps spamming his useless pics. I correct myself, not "useless" but in fact "harmful" to his own agenda.
As for you, tell me more about your own activity on this site as you apparently came here only to participate to this thread. How weird. You do sound like an old acquaintance for Italians. In fact I've never been a TA user but I've read old posts of someone who looks a lot like you...
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How do you know? Tell me who's the Russian and who's the Iranian, Volodin, chairman of Russian parliament or Ghalibaf, chairman of Iranian parliament?
Who's Russian? Larijani, former chairman of Iranian parliament or Ramin, former Vice Minister of Iran?
F*** off to the Apricity dude. I bet IRL you look almost Pakistani.
This thread is about this thing, you can discuss about other things in another thread, it is a honor to be a Pakistani.
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In this very blurred pic with most of the faces covered, i can clearly see who's not Iranian and could never be found there as typical anyway. The old man with black sweater and glasses with crossed arms and the guy behind third raw are for sure Italians.. They are very typical Italians and they don't look nothing Iranian infact.Iranian, Italian businessmen discuss two countries' trade capacities: https://en.irna.ir/news/83573731/Iranian-Italian-businessmen-discuss-two-countries-trade-capacities
Which of these are Italian?
The fact that few Iranians could pass and viceversa changes nothing. The differences on average are still enormous.
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Of course. Then why are you using this thread to post pictures of depigmented Iranians while insistently claim that they look like Europeans?
I'm interested to know why you consider them as "Itanian", the old man with black sweater and glasses with crossed arms reminds me of Iranian filmmaker Dariush Mehrjui, I just searched for "Dariush Mehrjui" in Google Image:
Richard Galliano is a French accordionist of Italian heritage, Marco Pierre White is also an English chef of Italian heritage.
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i'm amazed how this inferiority complex nonsense is coming up over and over again as if it was a fact and not just a vile attribution, in a way even racist.
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