Immigration What should Europeans do with illegal immigrants?

[LeBrok]

Good points Le Brook, I just remembered the article: "Refugees reporting higher earnings in Canada than investor immigrants", published at the National Post this year, in which stated that Refugee immigrants are reporting higher incomes to the Canada Revenue Agency than investor-class immigrants, according to data compiled by Citizenship and Immigration Canada.
Regarding local action, Nenshi said "But regardless of all the rest of it, we have tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of desperate people, and we have a country that's known as being a safe haven and we have to be able to do that.", I hope Harper can join the will, and the new government to be elected the new month, too.

Welcome to Eupedia Sergio. It is amazing that you are a third person from Calgary posting here. It is very high statistically considering a city of one million people, and not located in Europe.

Regarding local action, Nenshi said "But regardless of all the rest of it, we have tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of desperate people, and we have a country that's known as being a safe haven and we have to be able to do that.", I hope Harper can join the will, and the new government to be elected the new month, too.

Harper should have been more proactive but he never sinned with initiative or a vision. Perhaps he can find some compassion in himself?
Looking at all political spectrum, too many politicians and no true leader. I might as we vote conservative, from lack of inspiration.

 

[Tomenable]

Australia is an almost empty continent with barely over 20 million people and yet they are not letting people in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT12WH4a92w

 

[Tomenable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeYXnfpZa5E

 

[Tomenable]

As for Kuwait and other Gulf Cooperation Council countries - they don't want to share their oil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZbCK95Zu_0

To see if in Europe there is any compassion left. Not much except in Germany and Sweden.

What you wrote above only applies to what Germany's government is doing, but not to what the majority of Germans think:

Only 29-35% of Germans are positive to non-EU immigration, according to this data (but you are right in case of Sweden):

http://40.media.tumblr.com/509bf620a13de5dbbc065f82a4c8e46d/tumblr_nkf6f3GHZK1rasnq9o1_1280.png

 

[Tomenable]

^ Germany now welcomes Third World immigrants with open hands, but kept its borders close to Eastern Europeans for 7 years:

http://www.spiegel.de/international...labor-market-to-eastern-workers-a-759325.html

About Time: Germany Finally Opens Labor Market to Eastern Workers By Markus Dettmer and Jan Puhl

On May 1 [2011], Germany and Austria will open up their labor markets to citizens of the Eastern European countries that joined the EU in 2004 -- seven years after most other EU members let them in.

Germans also dare to demand from nations, whose citizens weren't allowed to work in Germany in 2004-2011, to take in Syrians.

 

[LeBrok]

Australia is an almost empty continent with barely over 20 million people and yet they are not letting people in:

They would gladly take nomads to populate all the desert there, which is 90% of this big country.
They are letting in over 200 thousand immigrants a year. They just don't want to let unregistered and unprocessed refugees in. I don't necessarily agree with this very harsh stand on refugee problem, but at least it is a very transparent, understandable and orderly solution. A solution which Europe lacks and can't agree upon.

 

[LeBrok]

As for Kuwait and other Gulf Cooperation Council countries - they don't want to share their oil:

Kuwait already spent 700 million dollars on Syrian refugee help. Way more per capita than the next one.

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[LeBrok]

Germans also dare to demand from nations, whose citizens weren't allowed to work in Germany in 2004-2011, to take in Syrians.

I have no idea how these two things have to do with helping and sharing responsibility to Syrian refugees?!!! They shouldn't need to demand, it should be responsibility of every human being to help others in dire need. Especially very Christian Poland shouldn't need encouragement to help others. "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in" Looks like religion is just a custom in Poland and far away from understanding what being Christian means, and following Jesus' footsteps.

 

[Yetos]

Kuwait already spent 700 million dollars on Syrian refugee help. Way more per capita than the next one.

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have any idea how much is this?
with the above you can stop or buy the war,
come on,
something else is behind

 

[LeBrok]

have any idea how much is this?
with the above you can stop or buy the war,
come on,
something else is behind

Not much for a war. It is not even one billion. War in Iraq has cost US 1,000 billions, one trillion dollars!

 

[Vallicanus]

I have no idea how these two things have to do with helping and sharing responsibility to Syrian refugees?!!! They shouldn't need to demand, it should be responsibility of every human being to help others in dire need. Especially very Christian Poland shouldn't need encouragement to help others. "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in" Looks like religion is just a custom in Poland and far away from understanding what being Christian means, and following Jesus' footsteps.

WHY is it the responsibility of every human being to help others in need?

Nobody has given me a sensible (i.e. non-religious) explanation as yet.

 

[bicicleur 2]

They would gladly take nomads to populate all the desert there, which is 90% of this big country.
They are letting in over 200 thousand immigrants a year. They just don't want to let unregistered and unprocessed refugees in. I don't necessarily agree with this very harsh stand on refugee problem, but at least it is a very transparent, understandable and orderly solution. A solution which Europe lacks and can't agree upon.

so Europe should take the same stance as Australia

 

[bicicleur 2]

Kuwait already spent 700 million dollars on Syrian refugee help. Way more per capita than the next one.

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these amounts are peanuts compared to the European budget for next year, just for housing and basics needs of the refugees coming in today
much more costs will follow

it is much more peanut compared to Kuwait oil revenues

 

[bicicleur 2]

I have no idea how these two things have to do with helping and sharing responsibility to Syrian refugees?!!! They shouldn't need to demand, it should be responsibility of every human being to help others in dire need. Especially very Christian Poland shouldn't need encouragement to help others. "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in" Looks like religion is just a custom in Poland and far away from understanding what being Christian means, and following Jesus' footsteps.

well, there are 7 billion people in the world, and most of them are in need
maybe Europe should host a few billion?

 

[Sile]

so Europe should take the same stance as Australia

The majority of European countries are not wealthy, the struggling nations will completely collapse from this mass immigration.

In Australia we have no drinking water and after passing a population of 22million people the government decided to build plants to create irrigation water so the little drinking water can be used for drinking. our drinking water was down to under 30% 2 years ago.
The price you pay when not having a mountain range.
We are limited to between 14000 to 18000 of immigrants a year.

 

[Tomenable]

it should be responsibility of every human being to help others in dire need.

I agree that we should help each other, but I also think that we should help them where they are.

Because Europe just can't take all 5,600,000,000 people who live in countries poorer than Mexico:

(and of course currently Europe also gets immigrants from Mexico-level or richer countries as well):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

If you let all these people come into Europe, population density will be higher than in Bangladesh.

 

[Tomenable]

well, there are 7 billion people in the world, and most of them are in need

Of these 7 billion, 3 billion make less than 2 dollars a day, and another 2.6 billion live in countries poorer than Mexico.

The USA reluctantly takes relatively rich Mexicans in, when there are 5.6 billion people more in need than Mexicans !!!

Perhaps Mexicans themselves should host refugees in their homes, rather than fleeing to the US from their rich country.

They would gladly take nomads to populate all the desert there, which is 90% of this big country.

Don't they have Australian Aborigines? I'm sure they are more suited to live as nomads in Australian desert than anyone else. But did the government allow them to continue their traditional nomadic way of life? As far as I know, that was not the case.

 

[Taranis]

The majority of European countries are not wealthy, the struggling nations will completely collapse from this mass immigration.

In Australia we have no drinking water and after passing a population of 22million people the government decided to build plants to create irrigation water so the little drinking water can be used for drinking. our drinking water was down to under 30% 2 years ago.
The price you pay when not having a mountain range.
We are limited to between 14000 to 18000 of immigrants a year.

Australia may be wealthy, but it is is also headed for environmental collapse due to desertification and mismanagement of the land.

Having said this, Tony Abbot is behaving like a complete moron with the current situation. I find it absolutely hypocritical when leaders of immigrant nations are against immigration (its the same with the whole dirt throwing done by one Donald Trump in the United States).

Don't they have Australian Aborigines? I'm sure they are more suited to live as nomads in Australian desert than anyone else. But did the government allow them to continue their traditional nomadic way of life? As far as I know, that was not the case.

Traditionally, Australia has treated its own natives very badly, completely with the routine of "take away their children and re-educate them as good Christians".

 

[Tomenable]

"take away their children and re-educate them as good Christians".

Indeed. And, by the way, except for "Christians", this is also what the left is currently doing everywhere in the world.

Re-educating people and enforcing equality. Because they hate human differences.

If Australian Aborigines are good hunter-gatherers, and WANT to be hunter-gatherers, let them be hunter-gatherers, instead of whining why there are comparatively fewer Aboriginal professors than White professors, and that this must be due to some invisible institutional racism and White privilege, so we must kill Whiteys and establish affirmative action to fill University chairs with foragers.

Gradually over time, Aborigines who want it, will start doing something different, an Aboriginal middle class will evolve. But it can't be done by force. And the left should stop telling them, that the reason why they are stuck in their hunter-gatherer mindset, is some invisible institutional racism, or White privilege. They can't blame Whiteys for all this. They've always been living as foragers.

I'm a supporter of ensuring equality of opportunities for everyone. But the modern left has gone insane - not only do they want equality of outcomes (rather than just of opportunities), but even more, they now actually want identicality of outcomes.

They would establish ethnicity-based, geneder-based, etc.-based quotas for everything, if only they could.

 

[Angela]

WHY is it the responsibility of every human being to help others in need?

Nobody has given me a sensible (i.e. non-religious) explanation as yet.

You have just given support to the argument that without religion morality doesn't exist. Is that really what you meant to say?

Next time you're in need, and you will be, because eventually everyone is, in one way or another, keep all of this in mind.