Immigration What should Europeans do with illegal immigrants?

[Vallicanus]

such politico has to remain popular in order to be re-elected, a dictator doesn't

Of course, but if all the politicians available act in a similar manner and talk the same BS where's the democratic choice?

 

[LeBrok]

this is the refugee camp in Brussles in front of the registration office where they can apply for refugee status


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-OuT6PHOcU&feature=youtu.be


Belgians bring food and clothing and other necessities for the refugees
and allochtonous Belgians come to steal the goods

what a good symbiosis between different people in the same country, don't you think?
they are a real asset to the country, those allochtones

I really thought you are bigger than this! And how are they different from real Belgians? I'm sure that there are autochthonous Belgians who steal, rape and kill. You find one migrant who steals and all of the sudden they are all no good human beings. It is a real shame.

 

[LeBrok]

the registration takes only a few hours
if they are not rejected, refugee status is granted and they have the right to stay in Belgium permanently, get voting rights and full social security benefits
they can apply for Belgian nationality and they don't even have to give up their original nationality, they can keep both nationalities
unbelievable as you state yourself

I'm glad you noticed that they don't get citizenship, but refugee status/long stay, permanent residency, or whatever you want to call it, but not citizenship.

 

[Ike]

I really thought you are bigger than this! And how are they different from real Belgians? I'm sure that there are autochthonous Belgians who steal, rape and kill. You find one migrant who steals and all of the sudden they are all no good human beings. It is a real shame.

They differ because neither them or their ancestors have ever been to Europe. Similar as you have never been to Mars.

 

[bicicleur 2]

I'm glad you noticed that they don't get citizenship, but refugee status/long stay, permanent residency, or whatever you want to call it, but not citizenship.

they get all the rights of citizenship

once they are granted refugee status they enjoy all the rights regular Belgians have and this is irreversible

whether they afterwards also apply for Belgian nationality or not doesn't matter

 

[bicicleur 2]

I really thought you are bigger than this! And how are they different from real Belgians? I'm sure that there are autochthonous Belgians who steal, rape and kill. You find one migrant who steals and all of the sudden they are all no good human beings. It is a real shame.

I didn't say this, but I'm sorry on this ocasion, on this video it clearly shows they are allochtones and I was realy not surprised to see this
they are not dressed as Belgians, they probably are allready in Belgium for decades but they don't identify themselves with Belgium

and yes there are allochtones who integrated and have a carreer and speak French or Dutch, you hardly note the difference with autochtone Belgians
but the kind you can see on the video, well there are suburbs full of them
so far your claim that all those refugees will after one or two years earn money and contribute to the economy

there is also violence against refugees arriving in Belgium
yes, both from allochtone and autochtone Belgians
but the main incidents comes from allochtones who sympathise with ISIS
they consider the refugees as traitors because their fleeing the country proves they are not allies of ISIS and no 'good muslims'

is this something to be sweeped under the carpet, not to be discussed?

 

[epoch]

I'm sure that there are autochthonous Belgians who steal, rape and kill.

Sure. But read this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dans_l'enfer_des_tournantes

 

[epoch]

I'm glad you noticed that they don't get citizenship, but refugee status/long stay, permanent residency, or whatever you want to call it, but not citizenship.

Read section 34 of the UN refugee Treaty

 

[bicicleur 2]

Read section 34 of the UN refugee Treaty

well, after reading this I can only conclude the UN is on organistation of highly overpaid employees residing in an ivory tower

 

[Yetos]

well, after reading this i can only conclude the un is on organistation of highly overpaid employees residing in an ivory tower

that is a big truth,
i would add europarliament also

 

[DejaVu]

 

[LeBrok]

Actually Saudis claim to have 500,000 Syrian refugees.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-04/why-don-t-gulf-states-accept-more-refugees-


Kuwait is one of most generous donors, and the most generous per capita, as per stats from post above.


Now this is interesting statistic. First 4 Gulf countries have more migrants than autochthonous population, to ridiculous 85% of whole population in Qatar. They are rich, and local population is not subdued or subordinate. Pay attention epoch.

Here is another interesting statistics:

First generation of migrants commits less crime than locals. Second generation looks completely integrated into society.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ond-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

 

[matbir]

How many refugees ware given the shelter in Israel?
Just 1000 - just one thousand! Israel do not have immigrant crisis, they are building fence on the Israeli-Syrian border to stop the wave of refugees. See what Benjamin Netanyahu sais abbot crisis: http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Po...cant-absorb-Syrian-or-African-refugees-415374
If Hungary had taken the same effort as Israel to give shelter for refugees it would have been 1000 refugees in Hungary at all instead of 2000 crossing border illegally every day. Just to compare Israel has population of 8.3 mln people and Hungary has 9.9 mln, so they're demographic potential is quite alike. While Hungary is under constant attack from western politicians for being not open enough.
Why refugees do not go to Iran which is Shiite country, so they are god shelter from Sunni extremism?
Why countries that are culturally close cannot help Syrian refugees? Why People want to go to Germany 4000 km from their homeland?

That is the result of bankruptcy of European welfare state. People from poor countries are going to "Eldorado" the place where everything is easy and money fall from the sky. But instead of enriching our countries they are building Middle Eastern society in Europe from which they fled.
Now Germany wants to "export" their problems to countries Like Poland and Hungary instead of reforming social policy.

BTW Poland have already 800 000 Ukrainian residents, that fled from war. We did our job, and no one cried for that.:wink:

Here is another interesting statistics:

First generation of migrants commits less crime than locals. Second generation looks completely integrated into society.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ond-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

Come on, I do not believe in that statistics. There are people with agenda that are creating such "statistics" to prove their imagined multiculti thesis. If it were so then there wouldn't be the problem with Pakistani jihadists from families that live in Great Britain from 1970'.
Europe have big problem with Muslims. We have enough seeing what is happening in European capital of rape which is Stockholm.
We cannot risk to make the same mistake what did north-western Europe. I think that Poland is secure country and I would like it to stay that way. Let the US to pay for their actions, because they are responsible for creation of ISIS, and collapse of Assad regime

 

[Taranis]

What's next, DejaVu? You're taking the "Protocol of the Elders of Zion" for gospel? :banghead:

If you want to criticize the state of Israel, fine, but stick to the facts and stop posting anti-semitic fantasy.

 

[bicicleur 2]

Actually Saudis claim to have 500,000 Syrian refugees.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-04/why-don-t-gulf-states-accept-more-refugees-


Kuwait is one of most generous donors, and the most generous per capita, as per stats from post above.


Now this is interesting statistic. First 4 Gulf countries have more migrants than autochthonous population, to ridiculous 85% of whole population in Qatar. They are rich, and local population is not subdued or subordinate. Pay attention epoch.

what kind of comparison is this ?
we all know they have a lot of immigrant workers
they get temporary permit to work, not permanent permit to stay
many of them are abused and mall treated
there are there to work and have no rights at all
the day they are not needed any longer they are sent back home

if this would exist in Europe there would be outrage from human rights watch and other similar organisations

 

[LeBrok]

what kind of comparison is this ?
we all know they have a lot of immigrant workers
they get temporary permit to work, not permanent permit to stay
many of them are abused and mall treated
there are there to work and have no rights at all
the day they are not needed any longer they are sent back home

if this would exist in Europe there would be outrage from human rights watch and other similar organisations

It was an example for Epoch to point to well being of locals surrounded by migrants. He's claim is that locals always suffer if they allow migrants in.

 

[DejaVu]

What's next, DejaVu? You're taking the "Protocol of the Elders of Zion" for gospel? :banghead:

If you want to criticize the state of Israel, fine, but stick to the facts and stop posting anti-semitic fantasy.

There we go again, just continue to erase information.
Its hard when the truth is coming.
Why dont you delete your own message its not directed to anyone anymore.

 

[LeBrok]

There we go again, just continue to erase information.
Its hard when the truth is coming.
Why dont you delete your own message its not directed to anyone anymore.

You are not very observant fellow. I was the one who deleted your posts, and I will do so with every garbage racism you post.
I'm sure Jesus is crying looking at your racist heart. You know that Jesus, his mother and apostles were Jews?

 

[LeBrok]

How many refugees ware given the shelter in Israel?
Just 1000 - just one thousand! Israel do not have immigrant crisis, they are building fence on the Israeli-Syrian border to stop the wave of refugees. See what Benjamin Netanyahu sais abbot crisis: http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Po...cant-absorb-Syrian-or-African-refugees-415374
If Hungary had taken the same effort as Israel to give shelter for refugees it would have been 1000 refugees in Hungary at all instead of 2000 crossing border illegally every day. Just to compare Israel has population of 8.3 mln people and Hungary has 9.9 mln, so they're demographic potential is quite alike. While Hungary is under constant attack from western politicians for being not open enough.
Why refugees do not go to Iran which is Shiite country, so they are god shelter from Sunni extremism?
Why countries that are culturally close cannot help Syrian refugees? Why People want to go to Germany 4000 km from their homeland?

That is the result of bankruptcy of European welfare state. People from poor countries are going to "Eldorado" the place where everything is easy and money fall from the sky. But instead of enriching our countries they are building Middle Eastern society in Europe from which they fled.
Now Germany wants to "export" their problems to countries Like Poland and Hungary instead of reforming social policy.

BTW Poland have already 800 000 Ukrainian residents, that fled from war. We did our job, and no one cried for that.:wink:


Come on, I do not believe in that statistics. There are people with agenda that are creating such "statistics" to prove their imagined multiculti thesis. If it were so then there wouldn't be the problem with Pakistani jihadists from families that live in Great Britain from 1970'.
Europe have big problem with Muslims. We have enough seeing what is happening in European capital of rape which is Stockholm.
We cannot risk to make the same mistake what did north-western Europe. I think that Poland is secure country and I would like it to stay that way. Let the US to pay for their actions, because they are responsible for creation of ISIS, and collapse of Assad regime

It is like saying, I'll be an ******* to Syrians because all the world is too. Position worth of Catholic Christian.

 

[DejaVu]

You are not very observant fellow. I was the one who deleted your posts, and I will do so with every garbage racism you post.
I'm sure Jesus is crying looking at your racist heart. You know that Jesus, his mother and apostles were Jews?

You are using to much sugar. You know sugar is added in many foods and drinks and make people depressed, anxious and stressed.
Racism? There is no race between humans only mutations. You should know that by reading all DNA information.
Talk about jesus is not related and you got a lot of preconceptions.
If you are going to act as a good zionist remove this message and the rest that was discussed in the message that was removed.
Leave no traits.