Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

[Fustan]

Yeah Dushman I'm not sure all this polemics is necessary, swe-slough. I don't think anyone is denying most Albanians in Kosovo are from medieval migrations from North Albania. And all those autosomal stuff doesn't mean much in my opinion, even then I knew an Albanian woman from Kukes who got North African as well. Also, I think almost everyone will agree that Kosovo Albanians are the lightest probably because our ancestors ****** the Slavic women, even though we have ugly people like Rita Ora, and you mentioned the literal well known gypsy Fejzullahu. Not like there aren't those types from Albania proper either, look at Altin Lala.

Rest of the post is good and I agree with it more or less.

 

[Dushman]

The Dushmani or Dusmani were an Albanianfamily^[1][2][3] that ruled parts of Pilot, a historical province within the territory of the eponymous Dushmani tribe from the Dukagjin highlands in northern Albania, during 15th century rule under the Republic of Venice.

The name of the Dushmani family and the tribe from which they came is probably the oldest name of an Albanian tribe to be attested historically. Rendered in the form Dousmanes by Procopius, it was the name of one of the Illyrian-Thracian forts rebuilt by Justinian in the 6th century AD. Its similarity to the name Dussus may suggest that it was formed like many other names found among Albanians as a composition of two names, Dush (Dussus) and Mani. An ultimate link to Turkish düşman which made its way into Balkan languages after the Middle Ages is not plausible.^[4]

I’m sick of these fora civil wars between normal Albanians focused on development vs insecure Ottoman subjects of suspicious heritage that find themselves in Islam, Turkey, Free Palestine, Daco-Thracians, etc.

https://www.osfa.al/sites/default/fi...peri_-_eng.pdf

Regarding the desire to achieve national unifica- tion, 63% of respondents in Albania and 54% of respondents in Kosovo state that they want to achieve it. If given a chance to vote in a referendum, 75% of Albanians in Albania and 64% of Kosovo Albanians would vote in favor of national unification.

However, the positive attitudes start to decline in both Albania and Kosovo when surveyees are asked whether they would marry Albanians from the other country - Albania/Kosovo; 75% of respondents in Albania saying they do not have a problem and only 56% of respondents in Kosovo give a positive answer.

The greatest social distance with Albanians in Albania was found in Albanians of the Prishtina and Ferizaj region, whereas the greatest closeness was expressed by the Albanians of Gjakova and Peja.

Significant differences between Albanians in Kosovo and Albania appear when they are asked about their willingness to marry someone of another religion – for 79% of respondents in Albania this is not a problem, while only 13.5% of respondents in Kosovo share this attitude.

 

[Dushman]

Yeah Dushman I'm not sure all this polemics is necessary, swe-slough. I don't think anyone is denying most Albanians in Kosovo are from medieval migrations from North Albania. And all those autosomal stuff doesn't mean much in my opinion, even then I knew an Albanian woman from Kukes who got North African as well. Also, I think almost everyone will agree that Kosovo Albanians are the lightest probably because our ancestors ****** the Slavic women, even though we have ugly people like Rita Ora, and you mentioned the literal well known gypsy Fejzullahu. Not like there aren't those types from Albania proper either, look at Altin Lala.
Rest of the post is good and I agree with it more or less.

Ask mount123 and co what they think about the Medieval migration from North Albania.

By “Kosovo Albanians” you mean the pure Albanians from Rrafshi Dukagjinit that form the core of the Albanian ethnicity together with North Albania and Montenegro and other mountainous regions?

We’re not “light”, “dark”, “blonde”, etc., we are who we are, intermediate pigmentation and proud of it, tall, with mostly the so-called Dinaric features or Dinaroid overall, and have always have a clear cut stance towards our identity, towards enemies, and towards our heritage.

I myself have very dark brown hair and green eyes I wish I was darker to tan better. I’m not some sick Nordicist whose obsessed with skin colour, but people who’re not us should refrain from deciding our cultural origins and heritage. They should only speak for themselves alone.

Western Kosovo should be part of modern Albania. We see them as brothers and we bled for them historically. It’s the Butrint Imeris that get in between with imams like Krasniqi and co. that spit on Skanderbeg, Mother Tereza, our language, our accent, our heritage.

 

[Johane Derite]

I don't like personal insults against people to be honest. He was the only one that condemned the racist pseudo scientific remarks that Dushman user made against people from Kosovo. Being not in line with someone's hypotheses or assumptions is one thing verbal attacking is another thing.

Derite is a Muhaxher? We have a lot of them that settled in South and East Kosovo. They endured a lot of pain and atrocities on their way here.

3/4 of my grandparents were from Nish, but my fathers line is not. We are Berish from Llap, and have been there at least 300 years, but we do not have any records past that. Most probably they came from Puka regions around that time, even though they claim they are "autochtonous" , I really take these family histories with a grain of salt since they are not well documented and too emotionally charged. Given that I am of berisha cluster, i know that within 1000 years we need to go back there anyway. Even for my relatives from Nish, they eventually must trace their origins there since they are gash, etc.

As for my dedicated fans and stalkers in the thread, don't worry, I will keep sharing the truth of what academics conclude about the Albanian language.

 

[Fustan]

Ask mount123 and co what they think about the Medieval migration from North Albania.

By “Kosovo Albanians” you mean the pure Albanians from Rrafshi Dukagjinit that form the core of the Albanian ethnicity together with North Albania and Montenegro and other mountainous regions?

We’re not “light”, “dark”, “blonde”, etc., we are who we are, intermediate pigmentation and proud of it, tall, with mostly the so-called Dinaric features or Dinaroid overall, and have always have a clear cut stance towards our identity, towards enemies, and towards our heritage.

I myself have very dark brown hair and green eyes I wish I was darker to tan better. I’m not some sick Nordicist whose obsessed with skin colour, but people who’re not us should refrain from deciding our cultural origins and heritage. They should only speak for themselves alone.

Western Kosovo should be part of modern Albania. We see them as brothers and we bled for them historically. It’s the Butrint Imeris that get in between with imams like Krasniqi and co. that spit on Skanderbeg, Mother Tereza, our language, our accent, our heritage.

Mount is just retarded. Keep in mind a lot of Kosovars are kind of crazy thanks to the war, and I think you should be empathetic to that.

The reason I brought up lightness is because you brought up a gypsy and some dark Kosovo Albanians. My point was that Kosovo Albanians are still lighter than other Albanian groups. I didn't say it's better or worse, swe-slough. You however seemed to imply that looking like Rita Ora means that they have some MENA ancestry or whatever. I don't think you can completely base that on someone's appearance. Look at Rita's parents and her sister. They look totally Albanian.

Not sure why we should pit western Kosovo against eastern Kosovo. We're all Albanians who descend from Illyrians as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Fustan]

Also the irreligiousness of Albanians from Albania is directly tied to the communistic rule they were under. I can totally see Albanians before that answering more or less the same way Kosovo Albanians do. Also, in the case of Kosovo Albanians, the answer reflects a lot of the tensions of the war with Serbs. Ks Albs more or less view Orthodoxy as an extension of Serbian nationalism so of course they're going to answer that way.

 

[Johane Derite]

Most fascinatingly, the Dacian king "Burebista" name has an Albanian component in the "bure-" directly related to Albanian. Burrë [man] while the -bista is argued to be cognate to greek. pistos.

Georgiev pretty much nails this etymology shut tight with the Greek name Pistandros (pistos + andros, andros means "man" in greek, so this is a direct correlate of the same name).

Fascinatingly, if there were ever an illyrian king with such a clear Albanian sounding name, it would be posted nonstop. It is interesting to see how ignored these obvious parallels with Albanian are when they are not illyrian. Even earliest medieval recorded Albanian names are extremely similar (Burrmadhi).

Its like some people are ready to spit on the proto-Albanians if they are not from their own region..

 

[Johane Derite]

Prendergast and Eric Hamp fascinatingly connect the toponym of Drouvetis/drobetae with the definite article of Albanian.

Georgiev also directly etymologised this toponym as related to Albanian. Drutë [Trees]

Wow. This place was all they way up on the bank of the Danube. What was a proto-Albanian language doing there?

"Some information about thelanguages spoken in the Balkans prior to Roman colonization can be derived from place namesfiltered through the currently attested Balkan languages.

For example, Hamp (1982:79) concludesfrom a diachronic analysis of the Romanian place name Drobeta that an autochthonous languageof the area possessed a definite article, and connects this with the form of the definite article foundin Albanian, with the implication
that a link of inheritance can be drawn between the language thatsupplied this place name and modern Albanian."

 

[Johane Derite]

Most fascinatingly, the Dacian king "Burebista" name has an Albanian component in the "bure-" directly related to Albanian. Burrë [man] while the -bista is argued to be cognate to greek. pistos.

Georgiev pretty much nails this etymology shut tight with the Greek name Pistandros (pistos + andros, andros means "man" in greek, so this is a direct correlate of the same name).

Greek pistos meant:


(passive) faithful, trusty
(active)
faithful, believing
obedient, loyal

So the name Burebista meant "Loyal-man", "trustworthy-man", etc. I.e. Burrë i Besës (Albanian. Besë is cognate with Greek. pistos from i.e. *bʰeydʰ-.


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/πιστός#Ancient_Greek

 

[Fustan]

Did you break up with Matzinger?

 

[Dushman]

Fascinatingly, if there were ever an illyrian king with such a clear Albanian sounding name, it would be posted nonstop. It is interesting to see how ignored these obvious parallels with Albanian are when they are not illyrian. Even earliest medieval recorded Albanian names are extremely similar (Burrmadhi).

Its like some people are ready to spit on the proto-Albanians if they are not from their own region..

Illyrian - Gentius, Genthius, Genthios
Illyro-Thracian - Zanatis
Greek - Gennadios, from Ancient Greekγεννάδας(gennádas, “noble”).

Can you disprove it? It’s as likely as your delusional theories.

Now start posting hysterically so nobody reads our posts to cover your insecurities like you did with LUMË, LULE, and VLLA.

- Achilles

“Another etymology relates the name to a Proto-Indo-European
compound
*h₂eḱ-pṓds "sharp foot" which first gave an Illyrian
*āk̂pediós, evolving through time into *ākhpdeós and then *akhiddeús. The shift from -dd- to -ll- is then ascribed to the passing of the name into Greek via a Pre-Greek
source. The first root part *h₂eḱ-"sharp, pointed" also gave Greek ἀκή (akḗ "point, silence, healing"), ἀκμή (akmḗ "point, edge, zenith") and ὀξύς (oxús"sharp, pointed, keen, quick, clever"), whereas ἄχος stems from the root *h₂egʰ- "to be upset, afraid". The whole expression would be comparable to the Latin
acupedius"swift of foot. Some topical
epitheta
of Achilles in the Iliad point to this "swift-footedness", namely ποδάρκης δῖος Ἀχιλλεὺς (podárkēs dĩos Achilleús"swift-footed divine Achilles")[8]
or, even more frequently, πόδας ὠκὺς Ἀχιλλεύς (pódas ōkús Achilleús "quick-footed Achilles")."

We can clearly see the similarities between Illyrian ‘akhpedios’, Latin ‘acupedius’, Epirotic ‘Aspetos’ (how they called Achilles in Epirus), which lead to Albanian ‘shpejt’ (meaning both ‘fast’, as well as ‘hurry up’).

 

[mount123]

Fascinatingly, if there were ever an illyrian king with such a clear Albanian sounding name, it would be posted nonstop. It is interesting to see how ignored these obvious parallels with Albanian are when they are not illyrian. Even earliest medieval recorded Albanian names are extremely similar (Burrmadhi).

Its like some people are ready to spit on the proto-Albanians if they are not from their own region..

They watch their favorite propaganda TV shows with that "Pelasgian" non sense of course it is not interesting enough to them. I generally find it suspicious that people totally "oversee" the similarities of known Dacian vocabulary and Albanian especially when it comes to nature descriptive words like bredh etc.

 

[Dushman]

They watch their favorite propaganda TV shows with that "Pelasgian" non sense of course it is not interesting enough to them. I generally find it suspicious that people totally "oversee" the similarities of known Dacian vocabulary and Albanian especially when it comes to nature descriptive words like bredh etc.

Paranoia is an instinct or thought process that is believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of delusion and irrationality.^[1]Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutorybeliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (i.e. "Everyone is out to get me"). Paranoia is a central symptom of psychosis.



Oftentimes, paranoid people accuse you of beliefs/faults and actions they have committed themselves.

Having said that, the only “Pelasgian nonsense” here is spread by you 2 going on about Trojans, Dardanians, “Northern” names of people from the Illiad, mythical origins like that from the Bessi, whose language was recorded in Mount Sinai too. Thus, according to you there were monks who spoke Proto-Albanian in Mount Sinai.

The mentally ill or extremely ignorant and easily manipulated Albanians (or Albanian speakers) believe that Pelasgians inhabited the entire Balkans, Italy, Western Anatolia, Sardinia, up to Germany and Poland, Thraco-Cimmerians, Philistines, Sea People, bearing “Northern” names ending with -enor like Antenor, Agenor, etc. and names ending with -damas. Basically all Dardanians that founded Troy and then went to found Rome.

Let the world judge who’s delusional and paranoid.

What do you think about Burebista as burrë (man) + bisht (tail), tailed man. He must have had an humongous tail considering the casualties he caused to the Romans.

 

[Illyria]

Fascinatingly, if there were ever an illyrian king with such a clear Albanian sounding name, it would be posted nonstop. It is interesting to see how ignored these obvious parallels with Albanian are when they are not illyrian. Even earliest medieval recorded Albanian names are extremely similar (Burrmadhi).

Its like some people are ready to spit on the proto-Albanians if they are not from their own region..

What's hilarious and also sad is Johane Derite saying this, as if he doesn't do the exact same thing himself lmfao.

Have you ever heard of the Dardanian Illyrian King Bardyllis? Or the migrant named Arbaios in Southern Albania? You ignore that obvious parallel to Albanian because it's not Thracian. Same with Dimallum, Ulk/Ulqin, Arber, so to quote you back to yourself, "It's like some people are ready to spit on the proto-Albanians if they are not form their own region"

So true bestie...

An inscription in ancient Greek in Phoenice, southern Albania related to the liberation act of the slave Nikarchos Nikomachou Arbaios is linked to the Albanoi as Arbaios is an ethnonym which has the same root as that of the Albanoi and hasn't been attested anywhere else.^[20] Arbaios is considered to not have been a local of the city, but someone who had been moved there from more northern areas in central Albania.^[21] The inscription was excavated in the 1920s by Luigi Ugolini. It dates to the 3rd/2nd century BCE.^[1]

 

[Southpaw]

There is no doubt that sometimes in Albanian you find both Illyrian and Thracian words which have meaning, as for what does this implicate i am not a linguist. It's either an influence/folk etymologies or the old linguists had right on shared Thraco-Illyrian origin, maybe somewhere in Early Bronze Age? Who knows.

R1b-Z2103 Yamnaya might be the puzzle to this, but some people insist that the Yamnaya left no living linguistic group, but i think atleast Greco-Armenian should be Yamnaya R1b-Z2103 derived group.

 

[Johane Derite]

What's hilarious and also sad is Johane Derite saying this, as if he doesn't do the exact same thing himself lmfao.

Have you ever heard of the Dardanian Illyrian King Bardyllis? Or the migrant named Arbaios in Southern Albania? You ignore that obvious parallel to Albanian because it's not Thracian. Same with Dimallum, Ulk/Ulqin, Arber, so to quote you back to yourself, "It's like some people are ready to spit on the proto-Albanians if they are not form their own region"

So true bestie...

I don't ignore anything, i've posted all these things before you even had an account

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...m-VIDEO/page47?p=640791&viewfull=1#post640791

 

[Johane Derite]

Illyrian - Gentius, Genthius, Genthios
Illyro-Thracian - Zanatis
Greek - Gennadios, from Ancient Greekγεννάδας(gennádas, “noble”).

Can you disprove it? It’s as likely as your delusional theories.

Now start posting hysterically so nobody reads our posts to cover your insecurities like you did with LUMË, LULE, and VLLA.

- Achilles

“Another etymology relates the name to a Proto-Indo-European
compound
*h₂eḱ-pṓds "sharp foot" which first gave an Illyrian
*āk̂pediós, evolving through time into *ākhpdeós and then *akhiddeús. The shift from -dd- to -ll- is then ascribed to the passing of the name into Greek via a Pre-Greek
source. The first root part *h₂eḱ-"sharp, pointed" also gave Greek ἀκή (akḗ "point, silence, healing"), ἀκμή (akmḗ "point, edge, zenith") and ὀξύς (oxús"sharp, pointed, keen, quick, clever"), whereas ἄχος stems from the root *h₂egʰ- "to be upset, afraid". The whole expression would be comparable to the Latin
acupedius"swift of foot. Some topical
epitheta
of Achilles in the Iliad point to this "swift-footedness", namely ποδάρκης δῖος Ἀχιλλεὺς (podárkēs dĩos Achilleús"swift-footed divine Achilles")[8]
or, even more frequently, πόδας ὠκὺς Ἀχιλλεύς (pódas ōkús Achilleús "quick-footed Achilles")."

We can clearly see the similarities between Illyrian ‘akhpedios’, Latin ‘acupedius’, Epirotic ‘Aspetos’ (how they called Achilles in Epirus), which lead to Albanian ‘shpejt’ (meaning both ‘fast’, as well as ‘hurry up’).

Aspetos has nothing to do with Albanian. "shpejt". Achilles is not an Albanian word. There is no attested "Illyrian. Akhpedios.

You should just stop humiliating yourself like you did with the Shkup fiasco, and the embarrasing attempts at etymologies which all etymologists, albanian and non-albanian, agree on.


Aspetos means:

ἄσπετος • (áspetos) m or f (neuter ἄσπετον); second declension (Epic)

1. inexpressible
2. (especially) inexpressibly great, vast
3. indescribable (of a sound or sight)
4. (of the charging of the Titans, a noise) unspeakable, terrible
5. impossible to tell of (w. respect to magnitude); (of the aither, a body of water, forest, the ground) unspeakably great, immeasurable (of a wooden stake, pig's belly, of a journey, of a tumult)
6. (of a breeze) exceptionally strong
7. impossible to tell of (w. respect to quantity); (of animals, riches, gifts, cares) countless (of an army) immense (of smoke, rainfall, hail, sweat, gore)
8. abundant (of meat, money, a harvest, foliage, liquid)
9. (of panting) heavy
10. impossible to tell of (w. respect to duration);(of a person's voice) endless (of a period of time)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ἄσπετος

 

[Dushman]

Aspetos has nothing to do with Albanian. "shpejt". Achilles is not an Albanian word. There is no attested "Illyrian. Akhpedios.

You should just stop humiliating yourself like you did with the Shkup fiasco, and the embarrasing attempts at etymologies which all etymologists, albanian and non-albanian, agree on.


Aspetos means:

ἄσπετος • (áspetos) m or f (neuter ἄσπετον); second declension (Epic)

1. inexpressible
2. (especially) inexpressibly great, vast
3. indescribable (of a sound or sight)
4. (of the charging of the Titans, a noise) unspeakable, terrible
5. impossible to tell of (w. respect to magnitude); (of the aither, a body of water, forest, the ground) unspeakably great, immeasurable (of a wooden stake, pig's belly, of a journey, of a tumult)
6. (of a breeze) exceptionally strong
7. impossible to tell of (w. respect to quantity); (of animals, riches, gifts, cares) countless (of an army) immense (of smoke, rainfall, hail, sweat, gore)
8. abundant (of meat, money, a harvest, foliage, liquid)
9. (of panting) heavy
10. impossible to tell of (w. respect to duration);(of a person's voice) endless (of a period of time)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ἄσπετος

1) You expect Akhpedios to be an attested name? It’s an epithet you Ottoman.

2) You said: Skodra is not Albanian, therefore no Albanians nearby. Thus, Skupi being not Albanian either means no Albanians nearby. Double standards?

3) What brain chooses “swift footed” (actually called so by Homer) over “inexpressible”?

Why are low IQ parrots so confident that some theories are 100% correct and some not?

Even the word ‘speed’ is thought to be from Proto-Germanic ‘spodi’. Then we have Ancient Greek ‘podos’ (foot), Latin ‘pedis’, Proto-Italic ‘pets’, IE ‘pods’.

And the psychosis proven again after making fun of me earlier for using Wiki but now you use it yourself.

What about lumë, lule, vlla? You will dodge them forever because you have no thoughts nor opinions of your own.

Incoming spam of 3 with old books in 3, 2, 1….

 

[Johane Derite]

1) You expect Akhpedios to be an attested name? It’s an epithet you Ottoman.

2) You said: Skodra is not Albanian, therefore no Albanians nearby. Thus, Skupi being not Albanian either means no Albanians nearby. Double standards?

3) What brain chooses “swift footed” (actually called so by Homer) over “inexpressible”?

Why are low IQ parrots so confident that some theories are 100% correct and some not?

Even the word ‘speed’ is thought to be from Proto-Germanic ‘spodi’. Then we have Ancient Greek ‘podos’ (foot), Latin ‘pedis’, Proto-Italic ‘pets’, IE ‘pods’.

And the psychosis proven again after making fun of me earlier for using Wiki but now you use it yourself.

What about lumë, lule, vlla? You will dodge them forever because you have no thoughts nor opinions of your own.

Incoming spam of 3 with old books in 3, 2, 1….

Aspetos is literally a homeric term that appears in the Iliad, it is used to mean "great" as in something leaving you speechless. It appears multiple times in the Iliad, to describe the inanimate things mostly, and it most definitely does not mean "swift-footed".

This is exactly the problem of dunning-kruger effect that you exemplify once again. You read a wiki post that was probably edited by a manipulative dummy, and you think you are an expert despite being low-ability. You don't even read ancient greek.

The term for swift footed in the iliad is podarkes, used for achilles. Why does homer never used Aspetos for Achilles, but for things like the heavens, a piece of wood! (swift-footed wood?) etc.

I already responded about your "theories". They are crap and wrong. You seem to have some obsession with these three words because you must have felt special as if you achieved something or made some sort of discovery, but that discovery was a Dunning-Kruger distortion where you
didn't understand how meaningless, crap, and wrong your theories were because of low-abiltiy in linguistics.

Bra has nothing do with with Albanian. vëlla. Keep writing "vlla" all you like, the older form is vëlla and always will be.


Aspetos link:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0057:entry=#16371&redirect=true

 

[Southpaw]

Aspetos is literally a homeric term that appears in the Iliad, it is used to mean "great" as in something leaving you speechless. It appears multiple times in the Iliad, to describe the inanimate things mostly, and it most definitely does not mean "swift-footed".

This is exactly the problem of dunning-kruger effect that you exemplify once again. You read a wiki post that was probably edited by a manipulative dummy, and you think you are an expert despite being low-ability. You don't even read ancient greek.

The term for swift footed in the iliad is podarkes, used for achilles. Why does homer never used Aspetos for Achilles, but for things like the heavens, a piece of wood! (swift-footed wood?) etc.

I already responded about your "theories". They are crap and wrong. You seem to have some obsession with these three words because you must have felt special as if you achieved something or made some sort of discovery, but that discovery was a Dunning-Kruger distortion where you
didn't understand how meaningless, crap, and wrong your theories were because of low-abiltiy in linguistics.

Bra has nothing do with with Albanian. vëlla. Keep writing "vlla" all you like, the older form is vëlla and always will be.


Aspetos link:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0057:entry=#16371&redirect=true

What about his nickname/family name, i think it originates from Ottoman Turkish dusman meaning enemy, he quoted me wikipedia that it derives from dussos and mani but i think it's far fetched, and it should come from Ottoman Turkish instead.

Dushman is E-V13 Z5017, and almost all Balkanites with this subclade belong to further downclade CTS9320, if any E-V13 subclade is to be linked with Daco-Thracians it will be this E-V13 Z5017 =>CTS9320 which has a strict Early Iron Age spread from the direction of the Danube. I guess attacking you is easier than to face facts, that snail Fustanella is just using him by flattering him with words.