Where did haplogroup T first originate ( 2nd Poll with Expanded options )

[Andalusian Fusion]

"T-M184 (xL206) sample found in a published paper. And this individual is from Himalayas."

Do you have a link?

 

[torzio]

"T-M184 (xL206) sample found in a published paper. And this individual is from Himalayas."

Do you have a link?

There are 3 with this marker who do not have other snp mutations, the one you mentioned plus Armenia and Germany

 

[Andalusian Fusion]

There are 3 with this marker who do not have other snp mutations, the one you mentioned plus Armenia and Germany

Where are the papers this person mentioned? (It's an old post from 6 years ago, so not sure if the person is still on here.)

 

[torzio]

Where are the papers this person mentioned? (It's an old post from 6 years ago, so not sure if the person is still on here.)

check wiki site .....T-M184
and all links to other papers are at the bottom

the only way to use wiki

 

[Andalusian Fusion]

check wiki site .....T-M184
and all links to other papers are at the bottom

the only way to use wiki

Doh!


Thanks, Torzio.

 

[torzio]

Doh!


Thanks, Torzio.

how did you get an un-helpful mark for this?...................someone must hate your comments about hap. T marker

 

[Andalusian Fusion]

how did you get an un-helpful mark for this?...................someone must hate your comments about hap. T marker

I will be creating my own forum.

 

[torzio]

Around the alpide belt
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11357-9

sample I3403 is ydna T1a2 with mtdna X2d

 

[Joey37]

I would say that the parent LT originated in the Zagros mountains or northern Fertile Crescent, and while L headed mostly east, T went west and also south.

 

[torzio]

I would say that the parent LT originated in the Zagros mountains or northern Fertile Crescent, and while L headed mostly east, T went west and also south.

file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/2809-13879-1-PB.pdf ( map #11)

This paper states south of the caspian sea .................my take is anywhere around the caspian sea .......although the kazaks are one of a few races that ancient T1a1, T1a2 and T1a3 are all found together

 

[torzio]

all olden haplogroup T

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/ma...Qdzeq6KtINU9gNaM4AcPxkF1rlddOFs#4/54.37/38.28

I find the collegno CL23 an issue...............the paper gave it a T1a2-L446 branch and this link states T1a1 branch

 

[Salento]

all older haplogroup T

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/ma...Qdzeq6KtINU9gNaM4AcPxkF1rlddOFs#4/54.37/38.28

I find the collegno CL23 an issue...............the paper gave it a T1a2-L446 branch and this link states T1a1 branch

It also says that CL23 is not T L446

It is shown as T CTS6071 (CTS933)

I’m positive for both, and you should be too

I remember that they were thinking about changing the nomenclature, maybe ...

 

[torzio]

It also says that CL23 is not T L446

It is shown as T CTS6071 (CTS933)

I’m positive for both, and you should be too

I remember that they were thinking about changing the nomenclature, maybe ...

Agree

It still makes it a T1a2 branch

 

[torzio]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-45398-3#Sec15

Estimating Y-Str Mutation Rates and Tmrca Through Deep-Rooting Italian Pedigrees


10 x T1a2-L131 samples

and an interesting LT sample....very very old haplogroup

 

[Salento]

I wish people would Capitalize the L haplogroup.

Half of the time I can’t tell if is an I or a L

 

[torzio]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-45398-3#Sec15

Estimating Y-Str Mutation Rates and Tmrca Through Deep-Rooting Italian Pedigrees


10 x T1a2-L131 samples

and an interesting LT sample....very very old haplogroup

The present study comprises 135 samples belonging to 66 different paternal lineages from two bordering regions of Northern Italy, i.e. Emilia-Romagna and Veneto.

actually , they are only from romagna and veneto

 

[torzio]

all olden haplogroup T

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/ma...Qdzeq6KtINU9gNaM4AcPxkF1rlddOFs#4/54.37/38.28

I find the collegno CL23 an issue...............the paper gave it a T1a2-L446 branch and this link states T1a1 branch

site upgraded

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/ma...MA7vMC0lSKhUTp1CvZ7Osu4xwOmOR0o#3/47.34/46.58

 

[Salento]

site upgraded

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/ma...MA7vMC0lSKhUTp1CvZ7Osu4xwOmOR0o#3/47.34/46.58

... anything interesting from your new Y test results ?

 

[torzio]

... anything interesting from your new Y test results ?

CL23 is marked as T1a1 .....when he should be T1a2 since he has CTS6007 and L446 which are both T1a2 branch markers

VK398 is also marked in error as T1a1 , when it is T1a2


this new one at
Tepe Hissar C ( 4100 yBP - Bronze Age ) Tepe Hissar Culture .............NE Iran on the caspian sea

I2514 ( 3915 ± 25 yBP / 4341 yBP )
Phase: Hissar IIIb
Cluster:
Y-DNA: T1a2a1a-Y13284 (xT1a2a1a1-Y38305, T1a2a1a2-BY31850)
mtDNA: W3b
Age at Death: +50

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Ipatovo 3 ( 5400 yBP - Early Bronze Age ) Early Steppe Maykop Culture


IV3002 ( 5383 ± 64 yBP )
Kurgan: 2
Phase: 1st
Grave: 187 ( Founding grave of the entire mound )
Other dates: 5058 ± 223 yBP / 5328 ± 251 yBP / 4630 ± 50 yBP (radiocarbon)
Y-DNA: T1-CTS6004 (xT1a1a-CTS484, T1a1b-Y6031, T1a2b-FGC37316) Probably: T1a2a-Y8614
mtDNA: X1'2'3
Age at Death: 35-45

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This was T1a3 and now

[h=3]Kok-Mardan ( 1800 yBP - Late Antiquity ) Kaunchi Culture ( Kangju )[/h]
DA125 ( 1755 ± 41 yBP )
Kurgan:
Object:
Y-DNA: T1a2a1a1-Y13279
mtDNA: U2e2a1

 

[Salento]

VK17 - y T1a1a - mt U5a2a1b

VK398 y T1a2b1 - mt H1b1+16362

(non y T Pugliese Viking, note to myself:
VK535 y R1b1a1b1b3a - mt T1a5
autosomally ~90% southern European, I think this is the guy that @Ownstyler is talking about)

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...ation-genomics?p=581938&viewfull=1#post581938