Immigration What should Europeans do with illegal immigrants?

[LeBrok]

An article published in February 2015, before this influx unfolded in full force:

"ISIS threatens to send 500,000 migrants to Europe as a 'psychological weapon' in chilling echo of Gaddafi's prophecy that the Mediterranean 'will become a sea of chaos'"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rants-Europe-psychological-weapon-bombed.html

Europe has sent 50 million emigrants to America in 20th century, not mentioning, millions of Asians, Africans, Muslims, Buddhists, etc, etc. I'm sure America is dead by now, lol.

Kardu, you are a Georgian living in Spain now, right?. You are an immigrant. You got in, lucky you! Once you are in you want to close the borders to others. It speaks volume about your humanity, not mentioning your Christianity!

 

[LeBrok]

I know a lot of migrants that have a passport but still speak only their language or English with their fellow countryman.

And the statistics I posted are official government statistics. I know Germany has similar experience.

I don't see the stats. I also know many who speak rudimentary English here, and yet they work. Sure their job opportunity is much smaller but they find a job and they work.

 

[LeBrok]

That English employment statistic is not about England, it is about *London*. It isn't usable to compare colonists employment to British as huge numbers of native English, to wit the middle class, have moved out of London.

EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxm1mqbgxcM

The price to pay for being an Empire, everybody wanted to live in Rome. Now all world wants to live in egalitarian and free London, New York, Los Angeles, Vancouver, Berlin, Singapore, and few others. It won't make locals happy at all, but this is the price for freedom, tolerance and prosperity. All world wants to live there. Do you propose we only let locals in? I don't thing there were restrictions like these even in Victorian times or Dark Ages.

 

[LeBrok]

I suggest

PUBLIC HANGING FOR TRAFFICKERS

Personally I don't have mercy for these mass murderers and I don't mind if they die or even suffer dying, but perhaps you can propose something more realistic?

 

[Taranis]

About seventy years ago, Germany (in particular Cold War western Germany) had to make home for some 12-13 million refugees. Granted, as we all know, Germany started World War II, but the decision to effectively move Poland westwards on the map and to displace millions of people was basically Stalin's idea (with consent of the Western allies), and post-war Germany had to cope with the consequences. And we welcomed these people. What's been happening in Heidenau and elsewhere recently is shameful, utterly shameful, and these people who riot and mistreat refugees, in my opinion, haven't learned the slightest bit from history.

 

[LeBrok]

Sweden

The housing shortage is forcing young people to live at home
This is how 20-25-year-olds live in Sweden
36 percent live in the parental home
40 percent live in rented dwellings with their own first-hand contract.
10 percent live in the condominium.
5 percent live in rented dwellings in the secondary.
10 percent live in a house or other housing.
Source: Adolescent accommodation - Progress Report 2013, Building and Planning


July 2015: In the last month the unemployment rate was 6.5 percent, which was 0.6 percentage points lower than the same month last year. The total number of unemployed - 349 600 people. Seasonally adjusted and smoothed figure for unemployment was 7.4 percent.
In a comparison with other EU countries is Sweden's youth unemployment just below the EU average. Among the countries that have the lowest youth unemployment are Germany and Austria.


Despite major historical variations in the number of people who have migrated to and from Sweden the overall trend is clear. Sweden has over the last 150 years has gone from being a country of emigration to being a country of immigration. Some periods excels especially when immigration and emigration has been of particular importance for the Swedish population development. Towards the end of the 60th century, labor migration large, largest proportion came from Finland. Between the years 1850-1910 emigrated almost one in five Swedish, and 1992 has long distinguished itself as a record year for immigration to the country, mainly due to the wars in the Balkans. 2014, however, was the largest ever year of immigration and this was mainly due to a large increase in refugees from the war in Syren.
In 2014 immigrated over 120 000 people in Sweden, about 58 000 women and 70 000 men, which was an increase of 9.6% compared with 2013. At the same emigrated about 51 000 persons, which gives a net immigration of about 75 000 people.


SÄPO - Security Police in Sweden "At least 80 people have traveled to Syria and joined the al-Qaeda-inspired groups to battle. More than half of them have returned to Sweden ... "


In a report in the Romanian television described Sweden as a "paradise" for Roma (Gypsies) who wish to go abroad to beg.

Wow, is this from another emigrant who got in first and is closing borders to others?

The housing shortage is forcing young people to live at home
This is how 20-25-year-olds live in Sweden
36 percent live in the parental home
40 percent live in rented dwellings with their own first-hand contract.
10 percent live in the condominium.
5 percent live in rented dwellings in the secondary.
10 percent live in a house or other housing.
Source: Adolescent accommodation - Progress Report 2013, Building and Planning

Are you naive enough to believe that rich Sweden can't build more homes?

Young people stay in parents homes, because they have a good life there. Own bedroom, own bathroom, full fridge, no bills to pay, enjoy mother's cooking and care, plus education takes a long time these days, and they can have sex without getting married and making kids. Life is very good for young people in well off countries. Who is in hurry to leave such a great nest in parents house? Perhaps the few very ambitious and the few in bad environments.

 

[DejaVu]

Wow, is this from another emigrant who got in first and is closing borders to others?


Are you naive enough to believe that rich Sweden can't build more homes?

Young people stay in parents homes, because they have a good life there. Own bedroom, own bathroom, full fridge, no bills to pay, enjoy mother's cooking and care, plus education takes a long time these days, and they can have sex without getting married and making kids. Life is very good for young people in well off countries. Who is in hurry to leave such a great nest in parents house? Perhaps the few very ambitious and the few in bad environments.

Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Israel and many others - Rich countries but dont care to help.

Is this how Islamic countries help muslims and others when they try to survive = no help at all?

How come neighbor countries where the conflict is close, dont help the refugees? Do you think Europe have unlimited resources to help?


The only help they get from USA is War and Death. Focus on earning money only by the weapon industry.
American companies dominate the list. Lockheed Martin, which makes some the most ambitious weapons projects in history, is at the top.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-top-25-weapons-companies-in-the-world-excluding-china-2014-12


248 armed conflicts after WW2; US started 201 (81%), killing 30 million so far.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...01-81-killing-30-million-far-arrests-now.html
People around the world view the US as the greatest threat to peace; voted three times more dangerous than any other country.
The data confirm this conclusion:

• Since WW2, Earth has had 248 armed conflicts. The US started 201 of them.
• These US-started armed attacks have killed ~30 million and counting; 90% of these deaths are innocent children, the elderly and ordinary working civilian women and men.
• The US has war-murdered more than Hitler’s Nazis.
• US official reports now confirm all “reasons” the US told for current armed attacks were known to be false as they were told.
• These lie-started US wars are not even close to lawful (here and here recently).
• US wars and rhetoric for more wars continue a long history of lie-began US Wars of Aggression. The most decorated US Marine general in his day warned all Americans of this fact of lie-started wars for 1% plunder.

 

[LeBrok]

Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Israel and many others - Rich countries but dont care to help.

What is this, some sort of competition? Look into yourself to feel if you want to help a human being. Don't look at others. I know you refer to yourself as a Christian, not mentioning a big heart in your avatar. Your god is watching your actions and you will be judged accordingly. So far I don't see any compassion in you, just some ethnic hatred.

Is this how Islamic countries help muslims and others when they try to survive = no help at all?

Did Jesus said "Help only Christians but not Muslims or Jews"? He helped hated Samaritans, didn't he?

How come neighbor countries where the conflict is close, dont help the refugees? Do you think Europe have unlimited resources to help?

Change your news channel, because you hear just garbage. Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan took millions of Syrians in, millions of refugees! And big rich Europe is fussing about few hundred thousands! The Western Christian civilization at it's best...

 

[DejaVu]

What is this, some sort of competition? Look into yourself to feel if you want to help a human being. Don't look at others. I know you refer to yourself as a Christian, not mentioning a big heart in your avatar. Your god is watching your actions and you will be judged accordingly. So far I don't see any compassion in you, just some ethnic hatred.

Did Jesus said "Help only Christians but not Muslims or Jews"? He helped hated Samaritans, didn't he?

Change your news channel, because you hear just garbage. Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan took millions of Syrians in, millions of refugees! And big rich Europe is fussing about few hundred thousands! The Western Christian civilization at it's best...

Do you have problem with democracy?

Your opinion is yours and mine is mine, got a problem with that?

Should I change my news channel? You should wake up from your controlled media.
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6?IR=T

 

[LeBrok]

248 armed conflicts after WW2; US started 201 (81%), killing 30 million so far.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...01-81-killing-30-million-far-arrests-now.html
People around the world view the US as the greatest threat to peace; voted three times more dangerous than any other country.
The data confirm this conclusion:

• Since WW2, Earth has had 248 armed conflicts. The US started 201 of them.
• These US-started armed attacks have killed ~30 million and counting; 90% of these deaths are innocent children, the elderly and ordinary working civilian women and men.
• The US has war-murdered more than Hitler’s Nazis.
• US official reports now confirm all “reasons” the US told for current armed attacks were known to be false as they were told.
• These lie-started US wars are not even close to lawful (here and here recently)

Please, come up with the list of these conflicts, and sources about the victims. I have a feeling that you believe into too much garbage propagated online.

US wars and rhetoric for more wars continue a long history of lie-began US Wars of Aggression. The most decorated US Marine general in his day warned all Americans of this fact of lie-started wars for 1% plunder.

I thought you would thank America this time. You are afraid of ISIS and US is the biggest participant fighting them. They are protecting you.

 

[LeBrok]

Do you have problem with democracy?

Your opinion is yours and mine is mine, got a problem with that?

How about commenting about your Christianity and hatred to others, like Muslim and immigrants from Syria! What would Jesus say to you?
Are you immigrant yourself, or your parents?


In case you forgot to read rules of Eupedia, it is not a democratic institution. It is a private website. Your opinions are encouraged and tolerated as long as they don't degrade other ethnicity, religion, races, sexual orientation, etc.

 

[DejaVu]

Please, come up with the list of these conflicts, and sources about the victims. I have a feeling that you believe into too much garbage propagated online.



I thought you would thank America this time. You are afraid of ISIS and US is the biggest participant fighting them. They are protecting you.

Cant tell you the truth because you cant handle it.
You are going to delete my post/answer anyway.
Like you used to do.

We are informed all over the world about what is going on and who is behind many things.
Its not a secret anymore.
Erasing information wont hide the facts forever.

The truth always wins at the end.

 

[Kardu]

Europe has sent 50 million emigrants to America in 20th century, not mentioning, millions of Asians, Africans, Muslims, Buddhists, etc, etc. I'm sure America is dead by now, lol.

Kardu, you are a Georgian living in Spain now, right?. You are an immigrant. You got in, lucky you! Once you are in you want to close the borders to others. It speaks volume about your humanity, not mentioning your Christianity!

Do you have mania of ad hominem attacks? And from where in hell do you assume that I am a Christian?
Don't prreach me your lousy quasy-religios "humanity"
And why do you assume that I live in Spain? You are getting boring really...

 

[LeBrok]

Cant tell you the truth because you cant handle it.
You are going to delete my post/answer anyway.
Like you used to do.

We are informed all over the world about what is going on and who is behind many things.
Its not a secret anymore.
Erasing information wont hide the facts forever.

The truth always wins at the end.

How come neighbor countries where the conflict is close, dont help the refugees? Do you think Europe have unlimited resources to help?

What would Jesus say?

 

[LeBrok]

Do you have mania of ad hominem attacks? And from where in hell do you assume that I am a Christian?
Don't prreach me your lousy quasy-religios "humanity"
And why do you assume that I live in Spain? You are getting boring really...

Anything on a subject of immigrants destroying Western civilization in Europe and America? Or rather you wish they destroyed it? Anything other than 100 year old prophecies and your wishful thinking? How about how to solve this crisis?

 

[Yetos]

What would Jesus say?

he is right,

why Greece and Italy and rest Europe are helping,
and not Islamic countries of Europe?

 

[epoch]

The price to pay for being an Empire, everybody wanted to live in Rome. Now all world wants to live in egalitarian and free London, New York, Los Angeles, Vancouver, Berlin, Singapore, and few others.

This is getting ridiculous, LeBrok. First you state that there are only 200.000 migrants and you present shoddy statistics to prove they all contribute to the economy. I counter with other statistics and now you come with... this. First of all, Europe is NOT an empire. Do read up on twentieth century history. Wars were fought about it and were LOST. You could have been born after the decolonization and be a grandfather today. Europe doesn't even have influence that much anymore. Secondly, the migrants don't go to their former colonizers but to the countries they expect the most free benefit from. Case in point: Sweden.

It won't make locals happy at all

But then again, "locals" never were much of a bother for any of the colonizing hordes all over history, were they?

but this is the price for freedom, tolerance and prosperity.

So enforcing asylum and immigration rules, as set by democratic governments, should simply not be done? Wow. Just wow.

All world wants to live there. Do you propose we only let locals in? I don't thing there were restrictions like these even in Victorian times or Dark Ages.

No, in mediaeval times it turned into war. Furthermore - and you know this very well - times have changed so policies should change accordingly.

May I ask why on earth you use such extreme shoddy reasoning? And why do you want this colonization attempt so badly to succeed?

 

[epoch]

What would Jesus say?

Are you an evangelical christian? That would explain a lot.

 

[epoch]

About seventy years ago, Germany (in particular Cold War western Germany) had to make home for some 12-13 million refugees. Granted, as we all know, Germany started World War II, but the decision to effectively move Poland westwards on the map and to displace millions of people was basically Stalin's idea (with consent of the Western allies), and post-war Germany had to cope with the consequences. And we welcomed these people. What's been happening in Heidenau and elsewhere recently is shameful, utterly shameful, and these people who riot and mistreat refugees, in my opinion, haven't learned the slightest bit from history.

You are leaving out two of the most important facts here: These were GERMANS. They fled to Germany for safety. Those Syrians already fled to safety, in neighbouring countries. Those coming to Germany should be considered a colonization attempt.

There are no boats coming from the Syrian shores to Hamburg harbour, are there?

 

[epoch]

haven't learned the slightest bit from history.

It is my experience that those who keep pushing these lines hardly ever want to learn from history themselves. They only want others to "learn" the opinions they hold from a very small part of history, i.e. fascism during the interbellum. If you would really learn from history you'd find that mass migration mostly turns out badly for either the colonized or the colonists.