Phenotypes of the Greeks

[Bekas]

I'm an old ugly f"""k

Nah ... you're not,

but do you mind explaining what is the Atlantic element that you have and you are so passionate about? You don't look like someone from a Western European country that borders the Atlantic Ocean.

However, I can see your ancestors raising sheep in the Ottoman Balkan mountain ranges.

 

[Vallicanus]

If we are talking about physical anthropology I don't see what's wrong with the work of Lawrence Angel.

He wrote mainly about the Greeks, ancient and modern.

 

[bigsnake49]

Well, time for the great reveal for post 185. The person on the extreme left with the partial silhouette is from Serres in Northern Greece, the guy in the middle is from Simi Island and the guy on the right is from Cyprus.

 

[Constantine]

Well, time for the great reveal for post 185. The person on the extreme left with the partial silhouette is from Serres in Northern Greece, the guy in the middle is from Simi Island and the guy on the right is from Cyprus.

Each one looks almost exactly like somebody I know from my parents' village LOL

 

[matadworf]

Some questions: do Americans even perceive your family as "ethnic"? And do you have any Arvanite ancestry? Thanks!

No but I grew up in Central Florida back in the 50's/60's. My parents moved there in the 40's so they had to assimilate. Most probably thought my dad was Italian but certainly not my mom. Overall we fit in as did most other Greeks. Yes I'm a 1/4 Arvanite on my maternal side. My grandfather was an Arvanite from Messinia. This was confirmed recently.

 

[matadworf]

Nah ... you're not,

but do you mind explaining what is the Atlantic element that you have and you are so passionate about? You don't look like someone from a Western European country that borders the Atlantic Ocean.

However, I can see your ancestors raising sheep in the Ottoman Balkan mountain ranges.

You hit it on the head! I've traced my paternal roots to Arcadia (settled in Messinia) from the mid 17th century. Long line of mountain folk and sheepherders who may have originated in Thessaly and/or Epirus. The Atlanto Med phenotype was considered prevalent by Coons (take it for what it is) in Classical Greece so it may not be a stretch to say that the Atlanto Med phenotype among say G2A's or other (earlier) lineages continues to exist in Greece today.

 

[Jovialis]

This is my maternal grandfather's family. My grandfather is the tallest one in the black suit, he was over 6 feet tall, and very tough. But also very kind-hearted to his family:

He used to say, "The best people in the world are Italians, after them are the Greeks."


People from his village all knew they had a strong affinity to the Greeks.

 

[Jovialis]

This is my maternal grandfather's family. My grandfather is the tallest one in the black suit, he was over 6 feet tall, and very tough. But also very kind-hearted to his family:

He used to say, "The best people in the world are Italians, after them are the Greeks."


People from his village all knew they had a strong affinity to the Greeks.

Alexander the Great, reconstruction by Alessandro Tomasi.

He looks like he could be among them, IMHO

 

[real expert]

Here’s a picture from the 30s showing a Greek man from Thessaloniki who was guiding a group of Spaniards in the museum. On profile, this man exhibits the famous ancient Greek nose you see in the statues. I've hardly seen anyone that matches the facial features of these stylized Greek statues as much as this man.

 

[Jovialis]

^^that's a good one

 

[Angela]

Alexander the Great, reconstruction by Alessandro Tomasi.

He looks like he could be among them, IMHO

Amazing resemblance, imo, to those handsome sons.

 

[Angela]

No but I grew up in Central Florida back in the 50's/60's. My parents moved there in the 40's so they had to assimilate. Most probably thought my dad was Italian but certainly not my mom. Overall we fit in as did most other Greeks. Yes I'm a 1/4 Arvanite on my maternal side. My grandfather was an Arvanite from Messinia. This was confirmed recently.

Tarpon Springs, by any chance?

Had some great meals there. I was missing Greek food.

 

[bigsnake49]

This is my maternal grandfather's family. My grandfather is the tallest one in the black suit, he was over 6 feet tall, and very tough. But also very kind-hearted to his family:

He used to say, "The best people in the world are Italians, after them are the Greeks."


People from his village all knew they had a strong affinity to the Greeks.

Good looking family @Jovialis!

 

[Duarte]

This is my maternal grandfather's family. My grandfather is the tallest one in the black suit, he was over 6 feet tall, and very tough. But also very kind-hearted to his family:

He used to say, "The best people in the world are Italians, after them are the Greeks."


People from his village all knew they had a strong affinity to the Greeks.

Family of beautiful and elegant people.

 

[Constantine]

There are lots of ancient-statue-lookalike Greeks walking around. My own brother is one of them.

He's got that same brow ridge, curly hair, nose, and general body shape (even those weird second toes that are longer than the others) you see in some statues. He sticks out enough that people comment; he was once even approached by a professor wondering what ethnicity he is.

He's on the fair end of the Greek spectrum and was classified by the "forum greats" as Cro-Magnon/Paleo-Europid (I'm guessing that's why we both have big heads).

Here’s a picture from the 30s showing a Greek man from Thessaloniki who was guiding a group of Spaniards in the museum. On profile, this man exhibits the famous ancient Greek nose you see in the statues. I've hardly seen anyone that matches the facial features of these stylized Greek statues as much as this man.

 

[Dushman]

I'll post family members for reference; my mother, aunt, cousin, myself, my dad
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The Alpinid influence is very strong. Your phenotype is extremely prevalent among Tosk Albanians (except maybe Labs). I could see your sister as a Bulgarian too.

 

[matadworf]

Tarpon Springs, by any chance?

Had some great meals there. I was missing Greek food.

No Winter Haven (Cypress Gardens). My dad had a restaurant there for 50 plus years (from 1954-2007). The food wasn't Greek but we had a few "Greek like" dishes. My dad was well known in town and the restaurant was pretty popular in the 60's, 70's, 80's. i really miss good Greek food as well and there are still some good places left in Astoria. In Tarpon there's a really good spot called Mykonos.

 

[Angela]

No Winter Haven (Cypress Gardens). My dad had a restaurant there for 50 plus years (from 1954-2007). The food wasn't Greek but we had a few "Greek like" dishes. My dad was well known in town and the restaurant was pretty popular in the 60's, 70's, 80's. i really miss good Greek food as well and there are still some good places left in Astoria. In Tarpon there's a really good spot called Mykonos.

I'm in Astoria not infrequently, although it's a bit of a drive. Gregory's is one of my favorites, especially in summer when you can eat outside. I absolutely love fresh sardines, under oil and fried and they do them wonderfully imo, along with grilled octopus. Unfortunately, it's becoming more and more "yuppified", if they still use that term. They're ruining all the ethnic neighborhoods in New York.

 

[bigsnake49]

@Angela, @metadworf, if you're ever in San Fransisco, I highly recommend the Kokkari restaurant. Definitely not your neighborhood Greek place, with prices to match. For special occasions however...

 

[Dianatomia]

Here’s a picture from the 30s showing a Greek man from Thessaloniki who was guiding a group of Spaniards in the museum. On profile, this man exhibits the famous ancient Greek nose you see in the statues. I've hardly seen anyone that matches the facial features of these stylized Greek statues as much as this man.

Wasn't that high rooted nose idealized by the Ancient Greeks? I believe it was the anthropologist Coon who said that a minority of Ancient Greeks had a high rooted nose.