Evilixir
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Hello to all!
First of all i'm new to this forum, but only in terms of creating an account, cause i follow it from a long time. And this is my very first post here.
I was reading about the tribes inhabiting in Italy before the Roman expansion. The Messapians were a group which settled in the heel of the pennisula (the region which corresponds to modern Apulia), and according to scholars had Illyrian origin.
The Illyrian tribes in south-eastern Italy spoke a language belonging to the Messapian group. This was an Indo-European branch that was found in Italy alone, but which may have been related to one of the Illyrian languages. It was spoken only by the Iapyges and their three sub-groups, the Dauni, Messapii, and Peucetii. Approximately three hundred inscriptions survive which can be dated to the period between the sixth and first centuries BC, after which the Illyrian tribes were submerged by Latin culture and language.
The Messapians kept close ties with hellenic peoples. Especially with Pyrrhus of Epirus, which they supported in his conquest of Syracuse in 277 BC. They were conquered by Rome in 267/266 BC, and were submerged gradually by Latin culture.
The frequencies in modern Apulia are :
I1 = 2.5% I2b = 1% I2a = 3.5% R1a = 3% R1b= 27.5% G = 12% J2 = 22% J1 = 3% E1b1b = 19% T = 1.5%
(Also see specific maps of E-V13 and J2b, i'm not allowed to post links)
Judging from the frequencies in ''the heel of Italy'' or modern Apulia and the distribution of subclades in the region :
I1 was most likely brought by the Normans while most of R1b is from the Romans. The Greeks might have brought J2, but they brought mostly J2a in the region, not J2b. The map of J2 correlates well with the Greek-speaking regions in South Italy pre-Roman conquest. The specific J2b not that much.
The distribution of haplogroups and subclades suggest that E-V13 and J2b might had been the major haplogroups of the Messapians. And if so, it would confirm specific Illyrian tribes belonging mostly to these haplogroups.
It should be noted the low frequence of I2a in the region, which does contradict the common belief that Illyrians were mostly I2a belonging peoples. Also it's not clear if the subclades belong to I2a1a (Sardinian branch) or I2a1b (Dinaric branch).
First of all i'm new to this forum, but only in terms of creating an account, cause i follow it from a long time. And this is my very first post here.
I was reading about the tribes inhabiting in Italy before the Roman expansion. The Messapians were a group which settled in the heel of the pennisula (the region which corresponds to modern Apulia), and according to scholars had Illyrian origin.
The Illyrian tribes in south-eastern Italy spoke a language belonging to the Messapian group. This was an Indo-European branch that was found in Italy alone, but which may have been related to one of the Illyrian languages. It was spoken only by the Iapyges and their three sub-groups, the Dauni, Messapii, and Peucetii. Approximately three hundred inscriptions survive which can be dated to the period between the sixth and first centuries BC, after which the Illyrian tribes were submerged by Latin culture and language.
The Messapians kept close ties with hellenic peoples. Especially with Pyrrhus of Epirus, which they supported in his conquest of Syracuse in 277 BC. They were conquered by Rome in 267/266 BC, and were submerged gradually by Latin culture.
The frequencies in modern Apulia are :
I1 = 2.5% I2b = 1% I2a = 3.5% R1a = 3% R1b= 27.5% G = 12% J2 = 22% J1 = 3% E1b1b = 19% T = 1.5%
(Also see specific maps of E-V13 and J2b, i'm not allowed to post links)
Judging from the frequencies in ''the heel of Italy'' or modern Apulia and the distribution of subclades in the region :
I1 was most likely brought by the Normans while most of R1b is from the Romans. The Greeks might have brought J2, but they brought mostly J2a in the region, not J2b. The map of J2 correlates well with the Greek-speaking regions in South Italy pre-Roman conquest. The specific J2b not that much.
The distribution of haplogroups and subclades suggest that E-V13 and J2b might had been the major haplogroups of the Messapians. And if so, it would confirm specific Illyrian tribes belonging mostly to these haplogroups.
It should be noted the low frequence of I2a in the region, which does contradict the common belief that Illyrians were mostly I2a belonging peoples. Also it's not clear if the subclades belong to I2a1a (Sardinian branch) or I2a1b (Dinaric branch).