Genetic study Genomes from 82 Etruscans and Southern Italians.(800 BCE – 1,000 CE).

[Angela]

Thanks, Angela


Dodecadk12b and Dodecad Global k13 use quite different components, with the latter much more skewed towards non-European components away from the Mediterranean, surely more "exotic". In my opinion the k12b is more suitable for us (and for Romans, Etruscans, Greeks...)

Dodecadk12b

Gedrosia
Siberian
Northwest_African
Southeast_Asian
Atlantic_Med
North_European
South_Asian
East_African
Southwest_Asian
East_Asian
Caucasus
Sub_Saharan

Dodecad Global k13

Siberian
Amerindian
West_African
Palaeo_African
Southwest_Asian
East_Asian
Mediterranean
Australasian
Arctic
West_Asian
North_European
South_Asian
East_African

Darn, Iḿ still out of juice. Great point.

I wonder if it would work if I wrote to Dienekes and BEGGED him to please create a more modern calculator.

 

[Jovialis]

Darn, Iḿ still out of juice. Great point.

I wonder if it would work if I wrote to Dienekes and BEGGED him to please create a more modern calculator.

I think that would be a great idea.

 

[torzio]

@Jovialis
Thanks.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]RegioX_FTDNA[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.55958078[/TD]
[TD]CSN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.70651176[/TD]
[TD]CSN008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.05394216[/TD]
[TD]CSN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.12653678[/TD]
[TD]VET001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.41857739[/TD]
[TD]VOL001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.50136832[/TD]
[TD]TAQ006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.53740007[/TD]
[TD]CSN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.02872873[/TD]
[TD]MAS004[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.16717267[/TD]
[TD]CSN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.39511424[/TD]
[TD]CAM002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.89931649[/TD]
[TD]ETR007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.10895135[/TD]
[TD]TAQ016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.41516973[/TD]
[TD]CSN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.49166655[/TD]
[TD]CSN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.61171822[/TD]
[TD]TAQ015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.65568960[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.66901453[/TD]
[TD]MAG001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.67514454[/TD]
[TD]TAQ002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.73450042[/TD]
[TD]TAQ013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.75715952[/TD]
[TD]CSN002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.03864195[/TD]
[TD]CAM001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.06148415[/TD]
[TD]TAQ001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.18138744[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.19683975[/TD]
[TD]MAS001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.25035510[/TD]
[TD]TAQ019[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]RegioX_23andMe[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.38270319[/TD]
[TD]CSN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.94375259[/TD]
[TD]CSN008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.24925513[/TD]
[TD]CSN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.05755546[/TD]
[TD]VET001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.31043501[/TD]
[TD]TAQ006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.40846427[/TD]
[TD]VOL001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.58750228[/TD]
[TD]CSN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.09663310[/TD]
[TD]MAS004[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.16564804[/TD]
[TD]CSN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.57309321[/TD]
[TD]ETR007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.89891738[/TD]
[TD]CAM002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.17414426[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.22919409[/TD]
[TD]TAQ016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.57910186[/TD]
[TD]CSN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.61249758[/TD]
[TD]MAG001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.62194476[/TD]
[TD]TAQ015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.67505032[/TD]
[TD]TAQ002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.67978596[/TD]
[TD]CSN002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.73312405[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.75298685[/TD]
[TD]TAQ013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.81703855[/TD]
[TD]TAQ020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.90228129[/TD]
[TD]CSN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.18224528[/TD]
[TD]MAS001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.18560626[/TD]
[TD]TAQ001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.19382221[/TD]
[TD]CAM001[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:
[/TH]
[TH]Father_23andMe[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.12950183[/TD]
[TD]CSN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.26902654[/TD]
[TD]CSN008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.52899760[/TD]
[TD]CSN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.95742437[/TD]
[TD]VET001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.30569260[/TD]
[TD]CAM002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.66195104[/TD]
[TD]ETR007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.81955637[/TD]
[TD]MAS001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.26084366[/TD]
[TD]CSN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.28917623[/TD]
[TD]CSN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.37103777[/TD]
[TD]VOL001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.63542436[/TD]
[TD]TAQ006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.76161128[/TD]
[TD]CSN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.93887348[/TD]
[TD]MAS004[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.38346478[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.65002372[/TD]
[TD]TAQ020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.74146381[/TD]
[TD]TAQ016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.95895443[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.01693128[/TD]
[TD]TAQ011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.14787435[/TD]
[TD]ETR003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.18374378[/TD]
[TD]CSN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.33308666[/TD]
[TD]TAQ013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.33481533[/TD]
[TD]TAQ015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.40339136[/TD]
[TD]CSN002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.60880230[/TD]
[TD]TAQ002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.62126279[/TD]
[TD]CAM001[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Mother_23andMe[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.77591551[/TD]
[TD]CSN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.88793682[/TD]
[TD]CSN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.19979166[/TD]
[TD]CSN008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.48606505[/TD]
[TD]VET001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.31007519[/TD]
[TD]CAM002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.43255533[/TD]
[TD]MAS004[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.49023182[/TD]
[TD]TAQ006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.63698604[/TD]
[TD]VOL001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.37809713[/TD]
[TD]CSN002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.50176652[/TD]
[TD]CSN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.65904311[/TD]
[TD]CSN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.00640722[/TD]
[TD]ETR007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.43317979[/TD]
[TD]MAS001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.60437418[/TD]
[TD]CSN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.73288967[/TD]
[TD]TAQ016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.88189800[/TD]
[TD]CSN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.95920148[/TD]
[TD]TAQ002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.99474051[/TD]
[TD]MAG001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.03727544[/TD]
[TD]PRZ002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.37801680[/TD]
[TD]TAQ015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.45430849[/TD]
[TD]CAM001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.50604254[/TD]
[TD]TAQ019[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.56040206[/TD]
[TD]TAQ001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.75410522[/TD]
[TD]TAQ013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.76533587[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Uncle_FTDNA[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.31205989[/TD]
[TD]CSN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.72364551[/TD]
[TD]CSN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.28806761[/TD]
[TD]CSN002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.72897220[/TD]
[TD]ETR007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.06289720[/TD]
[TD]MAS001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.35305269[/TD]
[TD]CSN008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.59917921[/TD]
[TD]TAQ006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.66978913[/TD]
[TD]VET001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.88827810[/TD]
[TD]MAS004[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.53146131[/TD]
[TD]CAM002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.89288863[/TD]
[TD]VOL001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.72358047[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.24323978[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.33113274[/TD]
[TD]CSN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.43656950[/TD]
[TD]CSN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.65741191[/TD]
[TD]TAQ009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.90660634[/TD]
[TD]MAG001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.20497096[/TD]
[TD]TAQ002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.24586958[/TD]
[TD]TAQ011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.36179655[/TD]
[TD]TAQ020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.54303613[/TD]
[TD]PRZ002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.60123967[/TD]
[TD]CSN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.70098976[/TD]
[TD]VEU001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.70948673[/TD]
[TD]CSN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.73899590[/TD]
[TD]TAQ016[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]In-law_23andMe[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.06387624[/TD]
[TD]CSN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.32383926[/TD]
[TD]ETR007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.37881123[/TD]
[TD]MAS001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.92019657[/TD]
[TD]CSN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.06911921[/TD]
[TD]CSN002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.48088411[/TD]
[TD]CSN008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.91251443[/TD]
[TD]VET001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.96145058[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.22777167[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.25096731[/TD]
[TD]TAQ006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.74898035[/TD]
[TD]TAQ009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.78804129[/TD]
[TD]MAS004[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.89469658[/TD]
[TD]CAM002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.92297953[/TD]
[TD]TAQ011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.92731217[/TD]
[TD]TAQ020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.32747538[/TD]
[TD]VOL001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.80009783[/TD]
[TD]ETR003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.41302883[/TD]
[TD]CSN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.92587351[/TD]
[TD]CSN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15.20734362[/TD]
[TD]MAG001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15.23402442[/TD]
[TD]ETR010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15.38699451[/TD]
[TD]CSN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15.58767462[/TD]
[TD]TAQ002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15.94874917[/TD]
[TD]CSN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.01536450[/TD]
[TD]VEU001[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 97.8702% / 0.97870179 | ADC: 0.25x RC
[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]40.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]CSN008[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]28.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]MAS001[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]17.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]ETR003[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]CAM002[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]4.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]ETR007
[/TD]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Torziok12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]6.47945854
[/TD]
[TD]CSN005
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]7.77274083[/TD]
[TD]CSN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]8.85378450[/TD]
[TD]CSN008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]9.41315569[/TD]
[TD]ETR007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]9.57447649[/TD]
[TD]VET001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]9.89305312[/TD]
[TD]MAS001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]10.99554455[/TD]
[TD]TAQ006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]11.05177814[/TD]
[TD]CAM002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]11.17633214[/TD]
[TD]VOL001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]11.32613350[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]11.63097588[/TD]
[TD]CSN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]11.80943267[/TD]
[TD]CSN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]11.86362508[/TD]
[TD]MAS004[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]11.98595845[/TD]
[TD]TAQ020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]12.05735460[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]12.13428201[/TD]
[TD]CSN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]12.20780898[/TD]
[TD]TAQ011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]12.54692393[/TD]
[TD]ETR003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]12.64932014[/TD]
[TD]TAQ009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]12.85277402[/TD]
[TD]CSN002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]13.01492220[/TD]
[TD]TAQ016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]13.27414027[/TD]
[TD]CSN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]13.36240248[/TD]
[TD]TAQ015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]13.51870186[/TD]
[TD]TAQ013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]13.52757184[/TD]
[TD]TAQ002[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Angela]

Thanks so much, Jovialis. My father would be so happy.

My K1b results using my coordinates from Dodecadś project participant page:

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]MyK12bAngela[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CCFF00, align: right"]5.99228671[/TD]
[TD]MAS001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE700, align: right"]8.20780726[/TD]
[TD]ETR007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC400, align: right"]9.23015168[/TD]
[TD]CSN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]10.93490283[/TD]
[TD]CSN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4700, align: right"]12.92072753[/TD]
[TD]VET001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4600, align: right"]12.93179029[/TD]
[TD]CAM002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4100, align: right"]13.07593591[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4100, align: right"]13.10074425[/TD]
[TD]ETR003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3B00, align: right"]13.26339700[/TD]
[TD]TAQ009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3900, align: right"]13.31483008[/TD]
[TD]CSN008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3900, align: right"]13.31641844[/TD]
[TD]TAQ011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3600, align: right"]13.42518156[/TD]
[TD]CSN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2E00, align: right"]13.63582781[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2000, align: right"]14.05850632[/TD]
[TD]TAQ020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1600, align: right"]14.36174084[/TD]
[TD]TAQ006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0700, align: right"]14.78497886[/TD]
[TD]VOL001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0300, align: right"]14.90071810[/TD]
[TD]CSN002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
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[TD]MAS004[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #FF0016, align: right"]15.66113661[/TD]
[TD]VEN008[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #FF0024, align: right"]16.06000000[/TD]
[TD]CSN006[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #FF002B, align: right"]16.27143202[/TD]
[TD]VEN017[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #FF002C, align: right"]16.29441929[/TD]
[TD]VEN001[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #FF0038, align: right"]16.63951622[/TD]
[TD]ETR010[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #FF003A, align: right"]16.71727849[/TD]
[TD]CSN013[/TD]
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[TD]CSN001[/TD]
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The results here don't correspond to the samples which are or would be closest to me on the PCA, which is somewhere between Liguria, Emilia and Toscana.

 

[Jovialis]

The results here don't correspond to the samples which are or would be closest to me on the PCA, which is somewhere between Liguria, Emilia and Toscana.

You might want to check out the 3D PCA version, to see where they are on the z-axis. They may seem close to you on the 2D projection, but could be far lower or higher in dimension.

https://vahaduo.github.io/custompca/

An example being that Canarias may seem close to North Italian on the 2D projection, but on the 3D projection, they are pulled away significantly on the z-axis.

 

[Jovialis]

Another example, here C3 looks like it overlaps with C6 in the 2D PCA. However, on the 3D PCA, it is very distant:

 

[Jovialis]

^^Basically, the 2D PCA is just giving you an "aerial view" of the 3D PCA.

 

[torzio]

@jovialis

with your talent ............you should separate the North-Italians into NW-Italian and NE-Italian like Dodecad did in some of his formulas..ie

N_Italian,0.00,15.80,0.00,0.00,28.20,56.00,0.00

North_Italian,0.00,14.10,0.00,0.00,30.20,55.70,0.00

both in Dodecad K7b

It should then cease to a degree the amount of Iberian admixture found in North-Italians

 

[Angela]

@jovialis

with your talent ............you should separate the North-Italians into NW-Italian and NE-Italian like Dodecad did in some of his formulas..ie

N_Italian,0.00,15.80,0.00,0.00,28.20,56.00,0.00

North_Italian,0.00,14.10,0.00,0.00,30.20,55.70,0.00

both in Dodecad K7b

It should then cease to a degree the amount of Iberian admixture found in North-Italians

If you are saying that North_Italian samples in Dodecad are all from the Northeast, that is absolutely incorrect. I was an original member of the project, and in the early days I knew quite a few of the people who supplied the data for that group and they were from lombardia, etcetera and other places all over Northern Italy. The N_Italian sample is just the very small in number academic samples from Bergamo. Other Italian, which is another category, did include people from the far Northeast and even outside of Italy.

 

[Salento]

MTA says:

- Samnites of Venosa
- Etruscans of Populonia
- Tarquinii
- Ancient Perugians
- Etruscan Vatlune
- Ancient Tarquinii

 

[Salento]

MTA says:
TAQ003 - Etruscan Tarquinii Italy 800 BC

 

[Pax Augusta]

MTA says:
- Samnites of Venosa
- Etruscans of Populonia
- Tarquinii
- Ancient Perugians
- Etruscan Vatlune
- Ancient Tarquinii

MTA is making it up as usual based on comments in the forums. Obviously some information could then turn out to be true, but at present there is no evidence that all of them are.

 

[Pax Augusta]

@Archetype0ne,

Pax preceded me and has already answered on several points adding a new PCA.

There is no doubt that Tarquinia/TAQ is a fundamental Etruscan centre. But if you notice, most of the samples from Tarquinia/TAQ are in the "northern" cluster (so quite close to the current Iberians and Italian Lombards), apart from a minority of individuals that are either of "mixed"/foreign origin (outliers?) and/or could be dated to a later phase, when Tarquinia becomes Roman (it was so since the beginning of the III century BC), with probable deduction/immigration of external people.

After all, the Etruscan population was spread over a large area of the Peninsula, which - sooner or later - put them in contact with other peoples, diversifying them. A similar hypothesis could be advanced on POP001 (from Populonia? which by the way - as a mining and metallurgical centre - I expect attracted various immigrants).

Yes, exactly Populonia was the most important port in northern Etruria and was one of the most important metallurgical centers, obviously frequented by many foreigners, which then underwent a process of decadence, until it was completely destroyed during the rule of the Longobards. There the modern population is not in continuity with the ancient one, the area became uninhabited for centuries. If I remember well Y-DNA's POP001 could be indicative of local origin (he is downstream to R1b-U152). Who knows, maybe an Etruscan with some non-etruscan ancestors. Based on his position in the PCA, hard to figure out who these non-Etruscan ancestors were. Because two-way models are too simplistic.

However, these are just conjectures, just to entertain the wait for the publication of precise data: in addition to solving the riddle of the initials of the locations (although it seems to me that on the identification TAQ = Tarquinia we are all quite ready to bet), it would be really useful to know the dating of the samples, which also cover periods after the flourishing of the Etruscans. Otherwise we risk a bit of what happened with the Moots/Antonio paper 2 years ago, where all the inhabitants of Rome in the imperial age are made to pass as paradigmatic of the entire Italic population, without regard to the actual historical phases and the many locations other than Rome.

Pax will be able to be more precise than me here: Latins and Etruscans seem to be rather similar or related from a genetic point of view in their early phases, but I think more that a certain closeness of the Etruscans to the Central-Eastern European world is due to that steppe component present in the Etruscans incubated in some Bronze Age phase of the Danubian-Balkan area (the major suspects should be the cultures of Mokrin and Maros), some fringes of which will move a little further West, giving rise to the proto-Italic populations and/or overlapping with the Anarian substratum (Neolithic + WHG) from which the Etruscans will emerge, while those remaining in situ will proceed with the Indo-Europeanisation of the Balkans.

It's super complicated to answer here. I will do in the next few days.

I see I have rather similar results to yours, comparing them with these samples, I'm not surprised, the reasons may be more than one and we may never get to the bottom of it. I stick to the following 3, which are not mutually exclusive:
1) equal shares of ancestral components between central-northern Italians and preslavic Balkan populations, which almost automatically overlaps us in the oracles
2) precisely that probable common steppe background mentioned above, from which both the Indo-European Balkans and the Proto-Italic ones proceeded
3) more recent migrations, also of Roman and medieval/Byzantine age, along the Adriatic Sea

Totally agreed.

it is possible that TAQ007
has some punic ancestery:cool-v:
that is very cool hope to know soon what is his date

It could be. I put the directions in the PCA for you but I did it by eye, just take it as a guideline. VEN014 and TAQ007 go in the direction of North Africans (which were probably Punic in the Iron Age). If you look at the position of R475 you realize for yourself that what is stated in the Antonio 2019 study is not correct, where it is assumed to be 53% African using a Late Neolithic Moroccan sample which however was a sample that certainly does not look like Iron Age North Africans and was partly descended from Neolithic Iberia. Certainly some of these samples are of North African descent, but the fact that many Punic were mixed with Sardinian Nuragic and Iberian (if you model them using the G25 some even have Steppe) makes it very complicated to understand all the ancestry of some samples, especially those that could be mixed with parents of several different ethnic groups. The mediators between the Etruscan world and the Punic/Phoenician world were the Sardinian Nuragics. as well as in their turn the Etruscans acted as mediators between the classical world and central Europe.

 

[Angela]

Yes, exactly Populonia was the most important port in northern Etruria and was one of the most important metallurgical centers, obviously frequented by many foreigners, which then underwent a process of decadence, until it was completely destroyed during the rule of the Longobards. There the modern population is not in continuity with the ancient one, the area became uninhabited for centuries. If I remember well Y-DNA's POP001 could be indicative of local origin (he is downstream to R1b-U152). Who knows, maybe an Etruscan with some non-etruscan ancestors. Based on his position in the PCA, hard to figure out who these non-Etruscan ancestors were. Because two-way models are too simplistic.




It's super complicated to answer here. I will do in the next few days.




Totally agreed.







It could be. I put the directions in the PCA for you but I did it by eye, just take it as a guideline. VEN014 and TAQ007 go in the direction of North Africans (which were probably Punic in the Iron Age). If you look at the position of R475 you realize for yourself that what is stated in the Antonio 2019 study is not correct, where it is assumed to be 53% African using a Late Neolithic Moroccan sample which however was a sample that certainly does not look like Iron Age North Africans and was partly descended from Neolithic Iberia. Certainly some of these samples are of North African descent, but the fact that many Punic were mixed with Sardinian Nuragic and Iberian (if you model them using the G25 some even have Steppe) makes it very complicated to understand all the ancestry of some samples, especially those that could be mixed with parents of several different ethnic groups. The mediators between the Etruscan world and the Punic/Phoenician world were the Sardinian Nuragics. as well as in their turn the Etruscans acted as mediators between the classical world and central Europe.

This is the kind of historical analysis which is necessary for a proper understanding of the source and nature of the autosomal components. Unfortunately, I have a feeling the authors from Max Plank will know nothing of it.

 

[Leopoldo Leone]

This is the kind of historical analysis which is necessary for a proper understanding of the source and nature of the autosomal components. Unfortunately, I have a feeling the authors from Max Plank will know nothing of it.

Speaking of historical analysis, I've got the impression, since among the samples already available some Etruscans (at least people coming from ancient Etruria) can be modelled as roughly half the core Etruscan cluster and half the core VEN cluster, that the "50% east med" gene flow into Etruria is going to be VEN-like, which seems to be south Italian-like.

 

[Duarte]

After last MTA update, ‘82 Etruscans’ samples displayed among my 125 displayed by the app.

14. Volterra Etruria Italy
500 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.56 - VOL001

35. Etruscan League Veii
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.67 - VEU001

48. Etruscan Perusia
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.38 - PRZ002

74. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.15 - TAQ006

82. Etruscan Vatluna Twelve Cities
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.43 - VET003

87. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.6 - TAQ002

99. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.25 - TAQ005

101. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.34 - TAQ012

105. Etruria Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.41 - ETR007

114. Etruscan Populonia
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.69 - POP001

 

[Salento]

Otzi, Ven015, Taq003, Latin and Roman from Praeneste (R437 - R436), SZ1,… and Salento :grin: … all share a chromosome segment,

Cesare's segment? :cool-v:

… besides SZ1, they’re all Italians

 

[torzio]

Otzi, Ven015, Taq003, Latin and Roman from Praeneste (R437 - R436), SZ1,… and Salento :grin: … all share a chromosome segment,

Cesare's segment? :cool-v:

… besides SZ1, they’re all Italians

what about the kindred of SZ1

 

[torzio]

my SZ1 match



do not know why MTA does not know the ydna

SZ1:
mtDNA: J1b
Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a2a(Z2123)



skeletal remains from an individual dating to the Bronze Age 10 m north of the cemetery (SZ1).

bronze age ...and not 700AD as per MTA

 

[Salento]

my SZ1 match



do not know why MTA does not know the ydna

SZ1:
mtDNA: J1b
Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a2a(Z2123)

skeletal remains from an individual dating to the Bronze Age 10 m north of the cemetery (SZ1).

bronze age ...and not 700AD as per MTA

If you pay they’ll show you the SZ1 Haplogroups

you get 633 SNPs Largest Chain and I get 634.

SZ1 is so old that more or less we all get a chunk of it, Caio Giulio Cesare included (main ancient shared ancestry) I Think.