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Genomic analysis of two Pompeians that died during the eruption of Vesuvius in 79 AD

Palermo Trapani said:
Jovialis: There was a paper, Haber et al 2020 "A Genetic History of the Near East from an aDNATime Course Sampling Eight Pointsin the Past 4,000 Years" published in The American Journal of Human Genetics. Some of those samples are from the Iron Age Levant and some are from what would be the Imperial Roman era. What I don't remember is whether any of these samples were ever used to estimate Dodecad12B/EuroK13, etc coordinates (I looked and don't see them in the Vahaduo spreadsheets). Perhaps using the coordinates from those samples, if possible, to run them against this Pompeian sample might be way to see if he is closely related to those populations.

My Dodecad 12B distance to F1R_Pompeian along with the averages using Maciamo's Ancient European ancestry Checker post 1, 10-3-2021.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5AFF00, align: right"]2.21022623[/TD]
[TD]Imperial-age_Tuscany_(n=4)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #97FF00, align: right"]3.69576785[/TD]
[TD]Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4C00, align: right"]10.64579729[/TD]
[TD]Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005E, align: right"]14.79259612[/TD]
[TD]f1R_Pompeii_Dodecad_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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@PT ... the Haber et al 2020:

Code: 
SFI-5_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b,11.9,0,4.96,1.4,15.11,0,0,0.93,21.93,0,43.66,0.11
SFI-11_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b,10.69,0,6.04,0,10.35,0,0,0.43,27.6,2.36,41.44,1.09
SFI-12_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b,3.2,0,5.16,0,17.06,0.68,4.2,0,22.86,0,46.84,0
SFI-15_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b,10.27,0.43,4.59,0.05,13,0,0,2.1,26.04,0,43.47,0.06
SFI-20_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b,13.05,0,4.39,0.37,13.17,0,0,2.95,25.34,0,39.53,1.21
SFI-24_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b,8.81,0.37,6.02,0,12.32,0.65,0,3.07,27.04,0,41.72,0
SFI-33_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b,9.12,0,4.79,0.38,15.85,0.04,0.76,1.84,22.98,0,43.46,0.78
SFI-34_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,4.35,0.97,4.86,0,20.08,0.66,0,1.86,25.35,0,41.6,0.27
SFI-35_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,10.71,0,3.85,0.01,18,0,0,2.99,25.71,0,38.14,0.59
SFI-36_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,9.65,0,7.4,0,14.15,0.43,0,2.49,21.41,0,44.47,0
SFI-39_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,6.1,0,4.27,0,18.92,0.56,0,0.51,23.62,0,44.63,1.38
SFI-42_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,9.56,0,4.34,1.97,16.85,0.89,0,0,22.6,0,42.99,0.79
SFI-43_LB_IA3_o1_Dod_K12b,0.66,0,8.66,2.29,12.05,0,0,7.41,34.88,0,33.91,0.13
SFI-44_LB_IA3_o2_Dod_K12b,4.55,0.06,8.24,1.4,13.42,0,0,7.14,29.08,0,36.1,0
SFI-45_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,10.47,0,3.78,0,17.39,0.78,0,1.85,19.76,0,44.22,1.74
SFI-47_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,9.22,0,4.05,0.22,17.78,0,0.66,1.95,25.09,0,40.99,0.03
SFI-50_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,6.75,0,2.86,0,19.1,0,0.12,0.77,24.5,0.28,44.42,1.19
SFI-55_LB_IA2_Dod_K12b,5.69,1.07,0.18,0,12.62,0,0,3.09,29.12,0.05,48.18,0
SFI-56_LB_IA2_Dod_K12b,7.28,0,5.27,0,12.47,0,0,0.59,32.82,0,40.58,0.98

https://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdf/S0002-9297(20)30155-5.pdf

this data: https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/
 
Salento said:
@PT ... the Haber et al 2020:

Code: 
SFI-5_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b,11.9,0,4.96,1.4,15.11,0,0,0.93,21.93,0,43.66,0.11
SFI-11_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b,10.69,0,6.04,0,10.35,0,0,0.43,27.6,2.36,41.44,1.09
SFI-12_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b,3.2,0,5.16,0,17.06,0.68,4.2,0,22.86,0,46.84,0
SFI-15_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b,10.27,0.43,4.59,0.05,13,0,0,2.1,26.04,0,43.47,0.06
SFI-20_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b,13.05,0,4.39,0.37,13.17,0,0,2.95,25.34,0,39.53,1.21
SFI-24_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b,8.81,0.37,6.02,0,12.32,0.65,0,3.07,27.04,0,41.72,0
SFI-33_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b,9.12,0,4.79,0.38,15.85,0.04,0.76,1.84,22.98,0,43.46,0.78
SFI-34_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,4.35,0.97,4.86,0,20.08,0.66,0,1.86,25.35,0,41.6,0.27
SFI-35_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,10.71,0,3.85,0.01,18,0,0,2.99,25.71,0,38.14,0.59
SFI-36_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,9.65,0,7.4,0,14.15,0.43,0,2.49,21.41,0,44.47,0
SFI-39_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,6.1,0,4.27,0,18.92,0.56,0,0.51,23.62,0,44.63,1.38
SFI-42_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,9.56,0,4.34,1.97,16.85,0.89,0,0,22.6,0,42.99,0.79
SFI-43_LB_IA3_o1_Dod_K12b,0.66,0,8.66,2.29,12.05,0,0,7.41,34.88,0,33.91,0.13
SFI-44_LB_IA3_o2_Dod_K12b,4.55,0.06,8.24,1.4,13.42,0,0,7.14,29.08,0,36.1,0
SFI-45_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,10.47,0,3.78,0,17.39,0.78,0,1.85,19.76,0,44.22,1.74
SFI-47_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,9.22,0,4.05,0.22,17.78,0,0.66,1.95,25.09,0,40.99,0.03
SFI-50_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b,6.75,0,2.86,0,19.1,0,0.12,0.77,24.5,0.28,44.42,1.19
SFI-55_LB_IA2_Dod_K12b,5.69,1.07,0.18,0,12.62,0,0,3.09,29.12,0.05,48.18,0
SFI-56_LB_IA2_Dod_K12b,7.28,0,5.27,0,12.47,0,0,0.59,32.82,0,40.58,0.98

https://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdf/S0002-9297(20)30155-5.pdf

this data: https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/
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Salento: Great work again my friend. Thanks.
 
As Salento already showed, F1R_Pompeian is very close to the C4 and C5 cluster from Antonio et al 2019 (See Post #4), with R73 being closest distance at 4.061. F1R_Pompeian distances relative to the Levant samples from Roman era in Haber et al 2020. Not close to those. But some of those Haber et al 2020 samples are close to some C4 samples from Antonio et al 2020. So that C4 cluster could have folks from many different regions in what would be in the Roman Eastern provinces (Anatolia, the Levant). I posted top 2 distances for the Haber et al 2020 samples Salento provided coordinates for in post 41.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Scorrano_etal_2022_F1R_Pompeian_79AD[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EAFF00, align: right"]11.48246925[/TD]
[TD]SFI-45_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EBFF00, align: right"]11.49596886[/TD]
[TD]SFI-42_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FDFF00, align: right"]12.41273540[/TD]
[TD]SFI-35_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFF00, align: right"]12.49359436[/TD]
[TD]SFI-47_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF900, align: right"]12.80136711[/TD]
[TD]SFI-5_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF700, align: right"]12.89203630[/TD]
[TD]SFI-33_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF200, align: right"]13.14273944[/TD]
[TD]SFI-34_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF000, align: right"]13.24562192[/TD]
[TD]SFI-39_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFED00, align: right"]13.38216724[/TD]
[TD]SFI-36_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]14.02249978[/TD]
[TD]SFI-50_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD000, align: right"]14.81403726[/TD]
[TD]SFI-20_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB400, align: right"]16.18118970[/TD]
[TD]SFI-15_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB300, align: right"]16.21424682[/TD]
[TD]SFI-12_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB100, align: right"]16.33075014[/TD]
[TD]SFI-24_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]17.84251664[/TD]
[TD]SFI-11_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8900, align: right"]18.26863159[/TD]
[TD]SFI-44_LB_IA3_o2_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5F00, align: right"]20.32028297[/TD]
[TD]SFI-56_LB_IA2_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3700, align: right"]22.28535842[/TD]
[TD]SFI-55_LB_IA2_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0800, align: right"]24.60444472[/TD]
[TD]SFI-43_LB_IA3_o1_Dod_K12b

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-56_LB_IA2_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7400, align: right"]9.66546429[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5400, align: right"]10.43441421[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-55_LB_IA2_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]8.93794719[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3C00, align: right"]11.03658915[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-50_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B9FF00, align: right"]4.53023178[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BBFF00, align: right"]4.58294665[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-47_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #72FF00, align: right"]2.79949996[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #82FF00, align: right"]3.19580976[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-45_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A8FF00, align: right"]4.12456058[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R38_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DEFF00, align: right"]5.44650347[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R70_Imperial_Era_ANAS

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-44_LB_IA3_o2_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3100, align: right"]11.29011957[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2A00, align: right"]11.47162151[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1550_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-43_LB_IA3_o1_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA800, align: right"]16.75101191[/TD]
[TD]Fernandes_etal_2020:I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]17.76236471[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-42_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4AFF00, align: right"]3.64850654[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #50FF00, align: right"]3.91739710[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-39_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #58FF00, align: right"]4.31657271[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #64FF00, align: right"]4.90791198[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-36_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6AFF00, align: right"]5.18417785[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6DFF00, align: right"]5.31984022[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-35_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #74FF00, align: right"]5.70136826[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1550_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #76FF00, align: right"]5.78412483[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-34_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6AFF00, align: right"]5.20054805[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #83FF00, align: right"]6.40246046[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-33_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #30FF00, align: right"]2.34258404[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #37FF00, align: right"]2.67748016[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-24_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #69FF00, align: right"]5.16037789[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7DFF00, align: right"]6.11825956[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-20_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5EFF00, align: right"]4.59848888[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1550_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #88FF00, align: right"]6.68897601[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-15_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4EFF00, align: right"]3.80202578[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #70FF00, align: right"]5.51398223[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-12_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A7FF00, align: right"]8.18337950[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ACFF00, align: right"]8.45493347[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-11_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]7.26581035[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1550_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A1FF00, align: right"]7.91012642[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]SFI-5_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #62FF00, align: right"]4.81178761[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R42_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6AFF00, align: right"]5.19972115[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Scorrano_etal_2022_F1R_Pompeian_79AD[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #55FF00, align: right"]4.19054889[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #77FF00, align: right"]5.83352381[/TD]
[TD]Antonio_etal_2019:Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

R73, which is in the C4 Antonio et al 2019 cluster is not close to any of the Haber et al 2020 samples from the Roman era. So How exactly is R73 modeled and where do we think he might actually be from. He doesn't seem to be from Syria or other Levant Roman provinces in the East. Maybe Cappadocia, Armenia or Cilicia, which would all be in Anatolia?

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Antonio_etal_2019:Near_Eastern_C4:R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DFFF00, align: right"]10.92476544[/TD]
[TD]SFI-35_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F0FF00, align: right"]11.75438642[/TD]
[TD]SFI-47_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F7FF00, align: right"]12.12631024[/TD]
[TD]SFI-45_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F8FF00, align: right"]12.14773230[/TD]
[TD]SFI-42_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFD00, align: right"]12.57622757[/TD]
[TD]SFI-34_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF100, align: right"]13.19797333[/TD]
[TD]SFI-33_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEC00, align: right"]13.44673194[/TD]
[TD]SFI-39_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEA00, align: right"]13.50820121[/TD]
[TD]SFI-5_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE400, align: right"]13.82296640[/TD]
[TD]SFI-50_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]14.33174100[/TD]
[TD]SFI-20_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD900, align: right"]14.35436171[/TD]
[TD]SFI-36_LB_IA3_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB400, align: right"]16.17779342[/TD]
[TD]SFI-15_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB300, align: right"]16.21477413[/TD]
[TD]SFI-24_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA500, align: right"]16.90821989[/TD]
[TD]SFI-12_LB_HellenisticEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]17.57136307[/TD]
[TD]SFI-44_LB_IA3_o2_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]17.90695675[/TD]
[TD]SFI-11_LB_EarlyRomanEra_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6D00, align: right"]19.65421074[/TD]
[TD]SFI-56_LB_IA2_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3A00, align: right"]22.15814297[/TD]
[TD]SFI-55_LB_IA2_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1A00, align: right"]23.72113825[/TD]
[TD]SFI-43_LB_IA3_o1_Dod_K12b

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Moja said:
"The position of the Pompeian individual A in the PCA falls also close to the distribution of modern Mediterranean and Near Eastern populations, such as Greeks, Maltese, Cypriots, and Turks. Such a result allowed us to hypothesize a genetic contribution from the Near East. This hypothesis can be also supported by a cline from Neolithic Iran (Iran_N) to Italy Imperial Roman Age (Italy_IRA, including the Pompeian individual) passing through Chalcolithic Iran (Iran_CA) and Iron Age Iran (Iran_IA)."
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Haven't had the time to read this yet, so I don't know what test they are using to determine if someone is "local" or not. Did they use strontium isotope analysis? Without it, I don't see how you can really claim someone is a local. Even with it, someone could actually not be "local" in an ancestry test, because the child of merchants or slaves might show up as a "local" even if the parents came from elsewhere and might even have returned there.

Also, are people forgetting that the Isola Sacra burial site was a burial site for the port of Ostia, where almost all the remains would have been from foreigners?

@Jovialis and Palermo, out of juice, but thank you for your posts.
 
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p.s
i think it might be neolithic or even chalcolithic in sardinia from there spread to
rest of europe that would explain cases in poland and even russia ( that i know of )
 
The A-V6275 sample from Poland on Yfull was submitted by me. It is my great-great grandmother's paternal lineage. I tested a grandson of her father's paternal half brother. The family settled in Lubelskie about 1799 when the first man of this line appeared there from some unknown place and got married.

By my count, including the sample from this study, there are now 7 confirmed cases of A-V2742/V6275 plus, if I remember correctly, 7 Sardinians.

"The peopling of the last Green Sahara revealed by high-coverage resequencing of trans-Saharan patrilineages" (D'Atanasio et al, 2018) found V2742/V6275 in an Egyptian from Gurna Oasis, someone in Greece and a Yemenite. Only some SNP were tested.

Egyptian was positive for V2742, V6725 and negative for V4165 (this is under V6132 on FTDNA). He was also positive for V2406 and negative for V2100, both of which are positive SNP in Sardinian samples.

Samples from Greece and Yemen were positive for V2742 and V6725 and negative for V4165, V2406 and V2100.

Under this branch, on FTDNA there is also one Russian (A-V2742/V6275*) and one Arab (A-V2742/V6275-BY158965*). Sardinians are also under BY158965.

There are 6 SNP from V6132 branch on FTDNA for which the man from Pompeii is negative and 2 negative from V2667 branch. Other SNP from these branches are no calls.
 
Merc said:
The A-V6275 sample from Poland on Yfull was submitted by me. It is my great-great grandmother's paternal lineage. I tested a grandson of her father's paternal half brother. The family settled in Lubelskie about 1799 when the first man of this line appeared there from some unknown place and got married.

By my count, including the sample from this study, there are now 7 confirmed cases of A-V2742/V6275 plus, if I remember correctly, 7 Sardinians.

"The peopling of the last Green Sahara revealed by high-coverage resequencing of trans-Saharan patrilineages" (D'Atanasio et al, 2018) found V2742/V6275 in an Egyptian from Gurna Oasis, someone in Greece and a Yemenite. Only some SNP were tested.

Egyptian was positive for V2742, V6725 and negative for V4165 (this is under V6132 on FTDNA). He was also positive for V2406 and negative for V2100, both of which are positive SNP in Sardinian samples.

Samples from Greece and Yemen were positive for V2742 and V6725 and negative for V4165, V2406 and V2100.

Under this branch, on FTDNA there is also one Russian (A-V2742/V6275*) and one Arab (A-V2742/V6275-BY158965*). Sardinians are also under BY158965.

There are 6 SNP from V6132 branch on FTDNA for which the man from Pompeii is negative and 2 negative from V2667 branch. Other SNP from these branches are no calls.
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very interesting :smile:
i think he is not the only pole
there is this paper:( 23 y-str )
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497314000842

under table s1:
there are haplotypes of many populations
few weeks ago i was very bored so i saw
this individual haplotype from wroclaw
is predicted as a1b1b1b2-m13 in negven

55-a1b1b2b-m13

https://i.imgur.com/uoVVILC.png

p.s
i know we can't know farther without downstream snp test or big y
but his haplotype look clearly A1b1b1b2-m13
 
To the best of my recollection a man in northern England, York maybe, was found to carry Ydna A. His innocent wife was filled saying she would try to make African food for him but didn't know how. Oy veh!

Darling lady, it might have been in England since the Neolithic, or the Bronze Age or the Roman period. Your husband is not African. :)
 
kingjohn said:
under table s1:
there are haplotypes of many populations
few weeks ago i was very bored so i saw
this individual haplotype from wroclaw
is predicted as a1b1b1b2-m13 in negven
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Thank you for pointing me in the direction of this man from Wrocław. Not only is he clearly from A-M13, he seems to be from the same node of A-V6275 as my Polish relative Puławski and the Russian with Big Y. I compared all theirs and the Arab's (with Big Y A-V6275) STRs (well, 23 of them as that is how many Wrocław guy has). There are two one step differences between Wrocław guy and my Puławski. The same two as with the Russian and the Arab. Seems like later mutations. 12 markers have the same value for all four of them. Wrocław man has additional 6 with Puławski and the Russian, and 3 more with Puławski.

Yfull gives a list of STRs mutations that they consider characteristic for the particular branch. Wrocław man has 6 out of 6 listed in Puławski's 25 STR panel as mutations that occurred in A-V6275 branch. The Arab from FTDNA has only 2 of 6. The Russian has 5. Those are of course based only on Puławski's STRs as Sardinian samples on Yfull don't have their STR checked, so some of those may actually be private for Puławski. It seems like Wrocław man is the closest to Puławski, then all 3 are equally distant to the Arab.

Some time ago I run SAPP tool with all known public STRs (about 70 sets) of A haplogroup samples from FTDNA groups. It placed two Russians (very different regions) and Puławski in the same node of A-V6275 branch. Then, SAPP places two Portugal men and two Mexicans with Spanish/Portuguese names in a sister node to this Pole/Russian one and together they create a sister node to A-V2742/V6275-BY158965 were the Arab with Big Y (and two more with STRs) and Sardinians from scientific papers are, as well as probably this man from Pompeii. SAPP estimates TMRCA of Russians and Puławski as living around 1400 AD, but I would be careful/skeptical about this.

If that would be the case, that we have the Pompeii man, Sardinians, Arabs, Portuguese men, two Poles, two Russians, a Greek man, a Yemenite and one Egyptian under A-V6275.
 
Angela said:
To the best of my recollection a man in northern England, York maybe, was found to carry Ydna A. His innocent wife was filled saying she would try to make African food for him but didn't know how. Oy veh!

Darling lady, it might have been in England since the Neolithic, or the Bronze Age or the Roman period. Your husband is not African. :)
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indeed
he belonged to a different branch of y haplogroup A
called A-m31
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590664/
this branch somehow made it from africa to scandinavia finland
this branch might arrived to europe in roman times :wondering:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/A1a/
 
R11109 MALE 1 CE 1749.5 400 CE ARCHAEOLOGY Isola_Sacra Y-DNA: J-Y15222

Still waiting for this sample to be added to the tree. Very interested to know if this sample is an immigrant or native to Italy
 
Gentica2637 said:
R11109 MALE 1 CE 1749.5 400 CE ARCHAEOLOGY Isola_Sacra Y-DNA: J-Y15222
Still waiting for this sample to be added to the tree. Very interested to know if this sample is an immigrant or native to Italy
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this is the y haplogroup of my friend principe ( azurro)
i also hope it will be in the yfull tree for him:cool-v:
 
kingjohn said:
this is the y haplogroup of my friend principe ( azurro)
i also hope it will be in the yfull tree for him:cool-v:
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Yes I know him well same y dna as me. We have asked for the sample to be added so it shouldn’t be much longer hopefully. Just wanna know if he will sit above me or just beneath me and my sibling branch the Russians
 
sorry
was confused
wrong thread :confused2:
 
It takes a minimum of two and half hours to see Pompei, … Amazing.
We’re used to sight seeing antiquity, the difference was seeing the last moment of an active Ancient Town and its People frozen in time.

… and though it was very hot, for perspective, and out of respect for the ancient people of the town, I didn’t complain :)

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i asked the administrator of TheYtree (chinese site)
https://www.theytree.com/
to upload the bam file of f1R the pompeii a-m13 individual
to his site
i gave him the bam file link of this pompeii individual
contrary to yfull who never uploaded ancients that i asked from them he agrees
kudos to him:good_job:

https://www.theytree.com/tree/A-M13


p.s
by the way here is the room from where he was taken ;-)
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[FONT=&quot]The remains were found in the Casa del Fabbro, or House of the Craftsman[/FONT]
 
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