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Immigration What should Europeans do with illegal immigrants?

I'm not sure if anyone would speak to Assad after he killed hundred thousands Syrians. He should be out.

why?

cause he protected the Christians and rest from the 'Arab spring'
or cause he is a obstancle that must be removed in the road of Al Kainta and Daesh?
come on
come on, I do not support Assant, neither say he is the good guy,
but you have to admit he is protecting all non Jihad forces of Syrria

sometimes I wonder if kantafi was still in power would we have Bocco harram or what is going on in Libya?


besides in Europe we today the coalition of 4
Hungary Poland Chechia Slovakia decided not to accept one immigrant
should we blaim them or not?
 
I suggested it to people like you who doesn't believe in positive impact of migrants, as an alternative.

Good lord. You should apply for a job as press officer of a government. This about face is Clinton "I did not have sex with that woman" worthy!

yes, it is always better to hid ones head in sand.
Iraq was Iragis to mess up, keep strong and united, but there was no will and too much hate. Ones Iraq falls into 3 independent states the things will quiet down. It should have been done right when GB withdrew from Middle East long time ago.

Like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India



They would cheer anyone who could save them from Saddam. During Desert storm they were surrendering faster than Americans could count. Too bad Bush Sr. betrayed them. It is tremendous, but also tremendous benefit ones they settled in. It is like investing in your own kids..., wait Europeans don't have kids.

Any chance you came up with Dutch stats about settled for longer migrants paying taxes, unemployment etc?

http://www.nyfer.nl/documents/rapportPVVdef_001.pdf

You'll have to translate yourself. I'm not going to do everything for you.
 
Pope stole my idea:
Pope Francis Urges European Churches To Take In Refugees, Because It's Not Enough To Say "Hang In There"
http://www.bustle.com/articles/1088...n-refugees-because-its-not-enough-to-say-hang

There is enough empty housing in Europe to help them stay safe till peace in Syria.

Time for an anti-pope. I heard this piece of real estate is still available:

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why?

cause he protected the Christians and rest from the 'Arab spring'
Assad is angry with the Christians in his country because most of them have refused to support his atrocities against the Syrian people.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2884/assad-slaughtering-syrian-christians



besides in Europe we today the coalition of 4
Hungary Poland Chechia Slovakia decided not to accept one immigrant
should we blaim them or not?
Again, you are misinformed. Poland accepted 150 Syrians in 2014. It is almost 0 but not 0, or not one immigrant, as you put it. Hungary is doing much more. Hungary is second after Sweden in immigrants per capita. Hungary just close it's borders to unregistered migrants, otherwise they are taking a lot.
To make things equal and just for all EU members every country should take 1.2 migrant per 1,000 citizens.

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He is afraid of Cobra effect therefore going for Ostrich effect.


Try to stay poor.



I don't think there is a citizenship given right away in any country, but rather permanent visa and permission to work.

you're misinformed
in Europe there is

and the refugees are better informed than you
 
I'm not sure if anyone would speak to Assad after he killed hundred thousands Syrians. He should be out.

Well, Kurds have alredy been cooperated with Assad, maybe it is because of Assad has more important enemys then Kurds and they also don't have border. Assad still voice of Alawi people of Syria

http://www.ibtimes.com/fight-kobane-may-have-created-new-alliance-syria-kurds-assad-regime-1701363

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/syrian-kurds-sets-terms-assad-partnership-150803191234786.html
 
oh I see what you mean,



maybe I was misinformed by news, anyway, maybe they decide, away from what I say, another desicion, right

http://gr.euronews.com/2015/09/04/central-european-leaders-underline-opposition-to-migrant-quotas/

http://news247.gr/eidiseis/kosmos/d...ths-oyggarias-sto-metanasteytiko.3647217.html

Anyway I think next desicion is to put mines at border lines, fences are not efficient

come on man accept it
at 1940's 1950's Central and East Europe lived in the paranoia of Fasists and Communists
today (even in my country) we are living the paranoia of neo-Fasism hidden behind nationalism and neo-liberialism








 
you're misinformed
in Europe there is

and the refugees are better informed than you
You mean in Belgium immigrant receives citizenship right after arrival?
 
How about not setting borders and let grass root local forces to take care of it?

Well. Then the dissolution of the Ottoman empire comes to mind. You know: Armenian genocide and all? Exchange of Greeks and Turks? Ethnic cleansing avant la lettre we al so abhorred in former Yugoslavia (BTW: another lovely example of local forces rooting it out. You really know your history, I gather..)

Google refused to translate this PDF. Any conclusions on impact of immigration on economy in this pdf?

O. Your effort stopped just there. Tip: Copy paste it.
 
oh I see what you mean,

maybe I was misinformed by news, anyway, maybe they decide, away from what I say, another desicion, right

http://gr.euronews.com/2015/09/04/central-european-leaders-underline-opposition-to-migrant-quotas/

http://news247.gr/eidiseis/kosmos/d...ths-oyggarias-sto-metanasteytiko.3647217.html
Refugees/migrants should register in first country they land in Europe. For example in Greece. Next they will go to Hungarian embassy and ask for acceptance as an refugee. They wait in Greece till Hungary processes their application (few months, a year or two?). After acceptance they get permission or refusal to settle in Hungary. With permission they leave Greece to Hungary, with refusal they stay in Greece and apply to other countries like Poland.
This system was always in place, however it got overwhelmed by huge number of refugees from Syria, hence the mess and confusion.
 
damn I can not post!!!
 
How about not setting borders and let grass root local forces to take care of it?

While we may stray from the original subject it is quite interesting to discuss this. This is an ethnic map of Syria:

http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/maps/Syria_Ethnic_1935_lg.png

How the hell should that "local forces taking care of it" have worked out? Make some effort and explain to us how this area could have been separated in states that would be all very nice and dandy since those heinous westerners Sykes and Picot didn't carve it up. All this, off course, ending in far less violence than nowadays. Well? How?
 
Well. Then the dissolution of the Ottoman empire comes to mind. You know: Armenian genocide and all? Exchange of Greeks and Turks? Ethnic cleansing avant la lettre we al so abhorred in former Yugoslavia (BTW: another lovely example of local forces rooting it out. You really know your history, I gather..)
Why is their always a sarcasm spewing out every time you open your mouth? I think language is rich in other forms of expression. Mix it up a bit dude.
On the point. What is your solution then, how to deal with creation of new states? I'll be glad to see your creative side.


O. Your effort stopped just there. Tip: Copy paste it.
Going defensive, not mentioning the sarcasm. So I guess there is nothing interesting. On other hand I can entertain you about a positive effect of immigration based on Canadian statistics. It is there in open, in english, for everyone interested.
 
Refugees/migrants should register in first country they land in Europe. For example in Greece. Next they will go to Hungarian embassy and ask for acceptance as an refugee. They wait in Greece till Hungary processes their application (few months, a year or two?). After acceptance they get permission or refusal to settle in Hungary. With permission they leave Greece to Hungary, with refusal they stay in Greece and apply to other countries like Poland.
This system was always in place, however it got overwhelmed by huge number of refugees from Syria, hence the mess and confusion.

what system?
are we in the Europe of 1990's?
Eurodocks need less than 1 day to send all over Europe documents,
MAN ACCEPT IT, THERE IS NO MORE EU, only Eurobill

come on Visengrad Group is turning to a hidden Fasist camp
(I repeat I still do not exclude my country)

next year there will come 3 000 000 in Greece,
do you want Greece to be sunk?
or have troubles?
we just say to them as Fyrom and Serbia does,
Go on pass free,
the Eurodocks stations allow only few thousand to be registered wit Eurodocuments,
it will take years just to written them down


ANYWAY HERE IS AT ENGLISH LANGUAGE



http://www.euractiv.com/sections/ju...-visegrad-summit-oppose-migrant-quotas-317199


anyway the best answer was given By Bulgarian prime minister,
"The sources of migration are the destabilised countries in Africa and the Arab world, and those who can solve the problem are “the world’s big bosses”
he who has eyes to read, he can understand

day by day seems like West was wrong about Arab spring


yesterday Hungary (Visengrand group)
dead men on the railways, this not Greece anymore, neither Italy, it is central Europe

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come on man
Arab spring? or march to Europe?

we can also call it 'drop the salaries in the name neo-liberianism to produce cheaper by bringing 'slaves'
time to collapse the public issues of central north EU as in other parts of Europe








 
Why is their always a sarcasm spewing out every time you open your mouth? I think language is rich in other forms of expression. Mix it up a bit dude.
On the point. What is your solution then, how to deal with creation of new states? I'll be glad to see your creative side.

Sarcasm? I am refuting your nonsense with historical examples. You keep stating:

yes, it is always better to hid ones head in sand.
Iraq was Iragis to mess up, keep strong and united, but there was no will and too much hate. Ones Iraq falls into 3 independent states the things will quiet down. It should have been done right when GB withdrew from Middle East long time ago.

My solution? Tow back the boats, stop letting in immigrants, arm wrestle Turkey in doing something for them and perhaps Syria by threatening to recognize Kurdish national aspirations.

Going defensive, not mentioning the sarcasm. So I guess there is nothing interesting.

Copy and paste it, for gods sake. How hard can that be?
 
Sarcasm? I am refuting your nonsense with historical examples. You keep stating:
And I'm pointing to modern examples, which are more valid for our modern lives than history of the centuries. Perhaps we should be also afraid of feudalism or Roman Empire coming back?
The world has changed so much that it is impossible to predict future from history anymore. From history you couldn't predict rise of modern united Europe, democracy, free and tolerant societies, computers, robotics, free trade, etc.



My solution? Tow back the boats, stop letting in immigrants,
It is a solution.
arm wrestle Turkey in doing something for them
Turkey already hosts a million of Syrians.
and perhaps Syria by threatening to recognize Kurdish national aspirations.
Firstly Syria doesn't exist anymore. There is part controlled by Assad in domestic war with different clans. The rest is in Islamist' hands. Secondly, Syrian Kurds feel independent already, as they battle by themselves for survival against Deash. I think it is more important for Kurds, at the moment, if the rest of the world recognizes Kurdistan.

When I asked about your independent idea, it was in relation to building new states in Middle East. Is it more beneficial for them and the region, if they can figure it out by themselves, from grass roots movements, or someone stronger and in power should cut and curve the region delaying inevitable conflicts to the future, the way colonialists did? Or is there another way to go?




Copy and paste it, for gods sake. How hard can that be?
I'm sure if there was anything supporting your point of view, you would have don't it and posted it already.
 
A very historic picture. Men and women walking through continent looking for a peaceful place to settle.
I remember this when Greeks migrated to Poland, during their domestic war, to find a peaceful place to live, to survive. Same story, just different nation this time. It is so easy to be cruel and without compassion when you are at the other side, Yetos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Greek_Civil_War#Poland



Greeks did not migrate to Poland,
Communists TOOK THEM BEHIND THE CURTAIN,
AND DIVIDE THEM,
ONE BROTHER IN POLAND, THE OTHER IN YUGOSLAVIA, AND THE THIRD IN TASHKENT UZBEKISTAN, (7nth Block)
and many others in Bulgaria, Romania CzechoSlovakia
THEY DIVIDED THEM ACCORDING HOW MANY COULD ABSORVE, AND 99% HAS RETURNED AFTER 1978
it was a political desiscion among communist parties.


in Hungary communist create a village named Belogianni after a communist hero to settle them,
today the village is empty,
in Europe of 2015 WE DO NOT ACT EVEN AS IN EUROPE OF 1950's


and do not avoid the truth,
VISEGRAND IS TURNING TO A ULTRA NATIONALISTIC GROUP DUE TO NEOLIBERIANISM(same in my country, but in less degree)
why fences of V4 with Serbia and not with Ukraine?
don't Illegal immigrants enter from there also?

anyway, I think Europe needs strong leaders and not strong Bankers
activists from my villages load 3 small pick up trucks with children clothes and shoes, dry food and water, and light blankets (20-32 C basic tamperature) to give in the road from Thessaloniki to Euzonoi,
It happened to see it with my own eyes,
groups of people according their nationality walking the 70 km road every night from 23:30 when train arrives from Athens to 6:00 in the morning
usually they make 2 days
BUT THIS CAN NOT BE CONTINUED FOR EVER,
and no matter some people show some solidarity, we can not let it continue based on human solidarity.

and the magnificent is that Deutshland can absorve them |(800 000)
while Britain had already did that with India and Pakistan and Africa before decades,
I do not know more,
simply Europe need action on how that should be treated and solved,
while slave merchants are earning

PS
it was 1982or 1983 about, 12 years old
I still remember the scene,
i was fishing with my father at the local marine, and about 40 years old man with langages was staring the sea,
he was son of a Greek communist party/army and he was in Chechoslovakia
he brought his brother's corpse from Poland to burry him at his father's village, their fathers house was abbandoned for >30 years,
he spend all his money to do this, and could not even stay one day at the old house,
my father, a conservative but very democratic, took him and gave him free a room for a week,
he worked few days, manage to make the tickets and returned to Chechoslovakia,
after 4 years his sister from Poland came with her Husband from Poland,they worked 1 summer gathering Fruits, but they did not manage to gather enough to open the old house, and she almost knew nothing Greek, making difficult to stay they went back and returned at about 2000, as retired,
the younger brother stayed in Chechoslovakia since he married there,
I know many stories about that time,
both alive brothers were confused and wonder why always.
they were kids,
and I ask you, why that happens today?
I do not need an answer, just think,
and think with mind open, not hiding behind the fingerwhat is wrong with Europe of 2015? or the world of 2015?that reproduce the 1940s
 
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