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Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

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This is not "science". This is forgery.
 
PaleoRevenge said:
For Davidski:

At this point you should do your own tests on the samples he provided to you and make your own judgement. I know fraud when I see it.
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At this point you should do your own tests on the samples he provided to you and make your own judgement. I know fraud when I see it.
Stop spreading misinformation. You know nothing about any of the individuals who have submitted their actual G25. Stop creating problems where they don't exist because you have personal issues and don't use samples from people who have never given you consent to use them like you're doing right now.

Some people are trying to gather more information about the Albanian profiles and you're just trying to cause problems for them.

You've been exposed countless times already so stop:

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Excine said:
At this point you should do your own tests on the samples he provided to you and make your own judgement. I know fraud when I see it.
Stop spreading misinformation. You know nothing about any of the individuals who have submitted their actual G25. Stop creating problems where they don't exist because you have personal issues and don't use samples from people who have never given you consent to use them like you're doing right now.

Some people are trying to gather more information about the Albanian profiles and you're just trying to cause problems for them.

You've been exposed countless times already so stop:
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The side engaging in fraud is causing problems, you have your morals backwards there "real" Albanian. Skenderbeg was not a coward, a liar, he definitely had honor/besa. You have neither. You have revealed yourself for what you are.

I hope you understand at least this much, Davidski can run these tests way better than you or me, he does not need my judgement on this, he's been developing G25 since the stone age of DNA hobby forums. I used to read his comments from long defunct forums, 20+ years ago. He is the father of all this. Good luck convincing the grand master of G25 these unicorn averages are real.

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PaleoRevenge said:
The side engaging in fraud is causing problems, you have your morals backwards there "real" Albanian. Skenderbeg was not a coward, a liar, he definitely had honor/besa. You have neither. You have revealed yourself for what you are.
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Do you even realize that you're comparing averages of G25 sims with an average made up of official G25 which are just a fraction of the number of sims? Do you have any idea that they will behave somewhat differently on custom models? Do you have any idea about how any individual sample will behave differently from an average in general? It's all pointless with you. Just stop using samples which nobody has given you any consent to use and stop embarrassing yourself with conspiracies.

Everybody here knows your goals, so stop pretending, stop mentioning people who don't even use this forum and don't try to involve in your conspiracy theories people who don't want to be involved in them.
 
I have checked the two E-V13 samples, and for certainly although they do appear slightly inclided toward Illyrians they are not Illyrian, but they don't seem to prefer Thracian/Dacian as well.

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...an-case/page29?p=659827&viewfull=1#post659827

So, Central Balkans remain as a solid candidate.


I10950 and I10946 share the same Balkan-Carpathian/Urnfield inclination, the difference is that I10950 has more Mycenean-like admixture while I10946 more Illyrian-like. If this pattern keeps repeating then it fits like a glove, Thracians were Eastern spinoff of the same Balkan-Carpathian people who mixed with Noua-Sabatinovska people.
 
Hey all. I am curious if anyone has the Global 25 Coordinates for the three E-V13 samples from "The diverse genetic origins of a Classical period Greek army": [FONT=&quot]I10946/W1771, I10950/W814, and I17872/W0428[/FONT].


Thanks.
 
angelhdbaez said:
Hey all. I am curious if anyone has the Global 25 Coordinates for the three E-V13 samples from "The diverse genetic origins of a Classical period Greek army": I10946/W1771, I10950/W814, and I17872/W0428.


Thanks.
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I17872 didn't make it to davidski g25 spreadsheet it was to low coverage
which is a shame since he was autosomaly in caucasus cluster and not in the balkan-central european cluster like
the other 2 e-v13 individuals
I10946, and I10950


ITA_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_2:I10946,0.125205,0.14725 2,0.02753,-0.000646,0.03693,-0.006414,-0.005405,-0.010153,0.006749,0.03262,0.009419,0.008093,-0.015015,0.006193,-0.015336,-0.016309,-0.005215,-0.002027,0.011564,-0.007879,-0.008485,0.013231,0.00037,-0.002169,0.009101

ITA_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_2:I10950,0.129758,0.14217 4,0.028661,-0.007429,0.039084,-0.008088,0.005875,0.005077,0.005318,0.031345,0.000 487,0.009142,-0.00996,0.004679,-0.019679,-0.004508,0.01682,-0.00076,0.011061,0.002376,-0.008735,0.006554,-0.001109,-0.003253,-0.000958
 
Excine said:
Do you even realize that you're comparing averages of G25 sims with an average made up of official G25 which are just a fraction of the number of sims? Do you have any idea that they will behave somewhat differently on custom models? Do you have any idea about how any individual sample will behave differently from an average in general? It's all pointless with you. Just stop using samples which nobody has given you any consent to use and stop embarrassing yourself with conspiracies.

Everybody here knows your goals, so stop pretending, stop mentioning people who don't even use this forum and don't try to involve in your conspiracy theories people who don't want to be involved in them.
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Brumis G25 grand average, is identical to northern Gheg average. He can only have arrived at this average through biased selections. His G25 might even include a sim or two, since he really loves fictional Alb profiles that score Illyrian, especially Cetina IA, or should I say Cetnika profile.

Now you concede that the regional averages are no good, yet he throws them around in his arguments to prove Alb=Illyrian. If they are not supposed to be used in G25 modeling, why does he use them in G25 modeling in anthrogenica? He does not know there are sims in there, even though he composed them? Which is it you imbecile?

The real question is this good for us? Fudging the data? What would a real Albanian do?


So has Brumi fired entertain and replaced him with you in the commission team? What's your dog in this?
 
Hawk said:
I have checked the two E-V13 samples, and for certainly although they do appear slightly inclided toward Illyrians they are not Illyrian, but they don't seem to prefer Thracian/Dacian as well.

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...an-case/page29?p=659827&viewfull=1#post659827

So, Central Balkans remain as a solid candidate.


I10950 and I10946 share the same Balkan-Carpathian/Urnfield inclination, the difference is that I10950 has more Mycenean-like admixture while I10946 more Illyrian-like. If this pattern keeps repeating then it fits like a glove, Thracians were Eastern spinoff of the same Balkan-Carpathian people who mixed with Noua-Sabatinovska people.
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One of them is almost identical with an Albanian Cinamak sample = "Slightly inclined" :laughing::laughing::laughing: You goofs. Even Aspar is coping hard.

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These are clear Messapics. On G25 they plot identical to Daunians/Messapics who are mostly Illyrian + some Italian.

And this is also a sampling problem because a lot of Messapians come from Devoll. We have very little sampling from southern Albania.
 
PaleoRevenge---

I'm trying to respond to your post, but system won't let me. Hopefully you'll see this.

I'm not entirely sure what the beef with Bruzmi and don't intend to get too deeply into it, but would like to offer you some feedback through e mail, if that's cool. Just don't have time nor desire to get sucked into protracted arguments or have strawmans directed my way, especially since not everyone has parity when it comes to archaeogenetics or full-context analysis. I've been looking into this matter for a while, now. The release of data from MNE and north Alb. has largely augmented our existing "Illyro-Dalmatian" cluster and confirmed my prior suspicions. Very broadly speaking, you're kinda on the right track, but I'd love to offer some points of refinement and a couple of G25 items that virtually everyone's overlooked. DM here, remove spaces---: a n t h r o s u r v e y 1 (at) g m a i l
 
PaleoRevenge said:
Brumis G25 grand average, is identical to northern Gheg average. He can only have arrived at this average through biased selections. His G25 might even include a sim or two, since he really loves fictional Alb profiles that score Illyrian, especially Cetina IA, or should I say Cetnika profile.

Now you concede that the regional averages are no good, yet he throws them around in his arguments to prove Alb=Illyrian. If they are not supposed to be used in G25 modeling, why does he use them in G25 modeling in anthrogenica? He does not know there are sims in there, even though he composed them? Which is it you imbecile?

The real question is this good for us? Fudging the data? What would a real Albanian do?


So has Brumi fired entertain and replaced him with you in the commission team? What's your dog in this?
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The regional averages of G25 sims are great for what they are, what you're doing is a distortion by comparing them to a very small dataset of G25. You're comparing oranges and apples and then accusing others of bias. Stop commenting about "Ghegs". All Albanian profiles with low non-Albanian admixture cluster in the same way. Nobody is interested in your Yugoslav comments about Ghegs, so stop because everybody here knows what you're doing and nobody is interested in it. No more replying to you. It is evident that you're not here to contribute to the common work of all of us (despite our differences).
 
Can mods do something about PaleoRevenge? He's literally ruining all Albanian related threads by his spamming.

As soon as this guy discovered G25 it's been non-stop spam. It's like giving a toddler a gun who's taking random potshots.
 
enter_tain said:
One of them is almost identical with an Albanian Cinamak sample = "Slightly inclined" :laughing::laughing::laughing: You goofs. Even Aspar is coping hard.

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These are clear Messapics. On G25 they plot identical to Daunians/Messapics who are mostly Illyrian + some Italian.

And this is also a sampling problem because a lot of Messapians come from Devoll. We have very little sampling from southern Albania.
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I didn't deny they cluster near Illyrians, but their increased Pannonian_LBA_EIA is very interesting. That's where they differ from core Illyrians, otherwise they do seem closer to Illyrians than Thracians if you want to put it that way. Messapian origin would make sense as well. Unfortunately, it was a mass-grave, and we have no indications about the context, we are left to guess based on how they plot.
 
And btw, if you want to use G25, we literally have every stage of Albanian history. You can do simple math based on history, not just random crap.

Albanian_Medieval clearly has more "Aegean"/"East Med" that all of Southern Europe got during the Roman Empire. You can add an East Med source of your choice for 10-20% or whatever, and the rest is Albanian_IA. So it's very close to Cinamak + a bit of East Med/Aegean.

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Then you can use a "Polish-like" source, which has been used in studies before, to determine the amount of Slavic ancestry. Even if the base Balkan substrate is not identical to Albanian_Medieval for Slavs/Greeks/Romanians, it works pretty well. It's in agreement with a lot of other studies.

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IIRC, they specifically mentioned ~20% was the baseline Slavic levels in the Balkans in that last study. Even with approximate substrates, you can easily get reasonable results in line with other studies.
 
From "The Genomic Formation of Modern Balkan Peoples" paper :

Tenth-century CE individuals harbored North-Eastern European-related ancestry likely associated to Slavic-speakers, which contributed >20% of the ancestry of today’s Balkan people.

That's how you get reasonable results with G25. Base it on previous studies/history, not just spam 14 different components until you get what you want.
 
AnthroSurvey said:
PaleoRevenge---

I'm trying to respond to your post, but system won't let me. Hopefully you'll see this.

I'm not entirely sure what the beef with Bruzmi and don't intend to get too deeply into it, but would like to offer you some feedback through e mail, if that's cool. Just don't have time nor desire to get sucked into protracted arguments or have strawmans directed my way, especially since not everyone has parity when it comes to archaeogenetics or full-context analysis. I've been looking into this matter for a while, now. The release of data from MNE and north Alb. has largely augmented our existing "Illyro-Dalmatian" cluster and confirmed my prior suspicions. Very broadly speaking, you're kinda on the right track, but I'd love to offer some points of refinement and a couple of G25 items that virtually everyone's overlooked. DM here, remove spaces---: a n t h r o s u r v e y 1 (at) g m a i l
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Hilarious, this has to one of the most sloppiest phishing attempt ever. I have an account in Anthrogenica, I am sure the admins there can contact me directly, you very dumb low IQ retard.
 
Excine said:
The regional averages of G25 sims are great for what they are, what you're doing is a distortion by comparing them to a very small dataset of G25. You're comparing oranges and apples and then accusing others of bias. Stop commenting about "Ghegs". All Albanian profiles with low non-Albanian admixture cluster in the same way. Nobody is interested in your Yugoslav comments about Ghegs, so stop because everybody here knows what you're doing and nobody is interested in it. No more replying to you. It is evident that you're not here to contribute to the common work of all of us (despite our differences).
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There is no justification for forgery. It literally takes minutes to separate real G25 coordinates from sims, no reason for even publishing them. The scientific method is straight forward, either a relationship exists or it doesn't, you don;t simply manipulate the data to "become" Illyrian. You either are or you aren't.

And yes, it is obvious Putin has send me here. Good one genius.
 
Certainly not much suggests that proto-Albanians at this point were E-V13, they simply weren't. Mostly R1b + J2b2 . Same as in Greeks R1b + J2a. E-V13 was either a minor clade and peaked later or spread across the Balkans later.
 
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