I don't care if i cluster with sicilians and aegean greeks ( which i do)
I was born in israel
And i am not going anywhere
Just like an anglo saxon white boy american
Was born in new york
Do you think he should leave usa
Becsuse his ancestors came to usa from england
And the native americans where there before him?
So what is the solution to this conflict ?
You de realise it is also a relegious conflict
Between us and the palestinians and many jews do belive from relegious point of view that this land is ours ?
israel is not fascit state
Israeli arabs live here like kings
I can asure you i see them every day
do you denay that by paternal line me and other jews are descendent from the tribe of judah
I never said to a greek person (assuming your greek flag)
that you are not descendents from ancient greeks
You were born in israel. Cool. So did a palestinian boy, so did their parents/ grand parents and other ancestors since centuries. Btw noone ever brought an argument for jews to "leave israel", so I have no idea why you are using this strawman. In fact your very first sentences show that you agree with me. Just like it is absurd and there is no "moral right" to any land (imagine if the moors said they have a moral right to southern spain or greeks said we ruled the coasts of anatolia for 2 millenia so we have a right to the land, or native south americans kicked all the europeans from argentina) let alone if this right, comes from religious texts. This is what happened between 1880-1930 between the arabs and the jews, during the zionism movement. Let alone that the leaders of the movement were completely secular atheists who used the bible as an excuse for the political project of an israeli state on an inhabited and settled land ( since at least 1500 years). The arabs paid for the hypocrisy and antisemitism of the europeans. There were a lot of jews ( e.g palestinian jews, marxist jews, orthodox jews, diaspora jews) that never supported the zionism movement until the 40s.
The point is that people persecuted by germans and other european antisemites sought refuge in that land ( not matter what is was called). I remind you this picture where jewish refugees arrived in Palestine with the banner "The Germans destroyed our families and homes - don't you destroy our hopes".
When Europe was denying jews ( e.g the exodus ship), those people in that land accepted you despite that it never was them that persecuted you ( European hypocrisy) neither exiled you.
No it is not and it never was a religious issue. It is a pure political issue where displacement, dispossesion and an apartheid regime is being created treating non-jews as subhumans. Obviously a palestinian-arab boy born in this regime and in the camps will grow resentment towards israelis and will use sticks and stones to fight the regime. You will label this boy a terrorist. ( you might be born such a boy in the next life who knows)
You know who else was a terrorist some years ago ? Your ancestors. The Jewish Irgun and Stern gangs who sought to force the British out of Palestine carried out a series of bloody attacks on British soldiers and officials. Jews were labelled by the British as "terrorists".
So the issue is far more complex and is definitely not religious. I remind you also that of all the religious regimes in Europe, the only one that accepted the exiled Jews of Spain was the Ottoman Chaliphate. I am not one to flatter Islam as a greek myself, let alone the ottomans but it is true. If islam wanted to eradicate the jews, you think they would have accepted jewish immigrants?
Israel has turned into a fascist state ever since 77 when Likud party was dominating politics with Menachem Begin and even Hamas was built by Israel because PLO was following a "no arms" policy which had attracted international support.
The issue is not genetic either. I just pointed out that the absurdity of the law of return which gives the right to someone that has no link ( even if we accept a % of jewish genetic heritage) to that land for 2 millenia to displace a person that is also indigenous to that land, steal or demolish their homes and build over them. This law of return is btw exploited by crooks and pedophiles to escape US justice just because they claim to be of jewish heritage.
The problem is trying to combine genetics with ownership of land. National consciousness does not give land rights to anyone. Neither do scriptures. The argument of 'we were here first" is also ridiculous because it is rarely the truth. You would have reacted exactly like the palestinian arabs when someone would have told you that a new independent state will be established on your land, and the argument used would be "because the scriptures say so". Let's be real here.
