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Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages
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OskarOzkar
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There’s absolutely no doubt the Goths came from Sweden. There are just too many proofs that this is the case including place names in Sweden, historical records from Scandinavia and the Goths themselves and now genetics.I agree with yourself, their homeland was from modern gdansk to the Nogat river
but swedish authors, like the book
The well spring of the Goths place them in Scania and Gotland before their "polish migration "
The paper argues that there was a baltic migration into Sweden and that the Scandinavian population can be divided into a eastern (high baltic component) and western/southern with a higher central/western European component. They also argue that the south/west component is from a backmigration of Germanics (Danes) that had mixed with conquered celtic tribes. Thus they brough ”dansk tunga” which is the dialect that became old norse.
The way I interpret it is that the Goths spoke the old tongue while the later vikings spoke the Danish tongue influenced from celtic conquered peoples. This fits current linguistics. Gutish - the tongue spoken by people of the island of Gotland show strong similarities with Gothic.
Visi/Ostrogoths was a political division formed hundreds of years after Goths had arrived to Southern Europe. How can anyone be surprised that an originally male dominated group changes its genetics when it moves to an area where women have different genetics?
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OskarOzkar said:The way I interpret it is that the Goths spoke the old tongue while the later vikings spoke the Danish tongue influenced from celtic conquered peoples. This fits current linguistics. Gutish - the tongue spoken by people of the island of Gotland show strong similarities with Gothic.
What "strong similarities" there are, which are not retentions from Proto-Germanic? Old Gutnish was a North Germanic language, while Gothic was an East Germanic language.