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Politics Should Crimea be an independent country? (Russian-Ukrainian conflict)

Yetos,Nordic countries ,take for example Great Britain or Scandinavia,are between most democratic countries countries in the world.
British police do not even carry pistols.
Commonwealth countries,like Australia,New Zealand ,Australia are not far from Great Britain.
 
mihaitzateo said:
Yetos,Nordic countries ,take for example Great Britain or Scandinavia,are between most democratic countries countries in the world.
British police do not even carry pistols.
Commonwealth countries,like Australia,New Zealand ,Australia are not far from Great Britain.
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Personally I like how iceland stood and face crisis
 
LeBrok said:
What is your definition of aggressor?
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From first hand experience - USA and it's minions.

They destabilized the region, they offered money for the republics if they depart Yugoslavia, they supervised the delivery of guns, organized ans sponsored anti-government groups in all the republic, monitored guns and ammo delivery, organized mercenaries, been the first to illegitimately recognize parts of my country as independent states which provoked more destruction, deaths and war debt.

Currently they have incorporated most of the territories of Yugoslavia into NATO; territories which would otherwise NEVER have been NATO. So aggression and occupation is the word.
 
If I would have to choose between Russia and US I would choose Germany or UK.
:D
 
Ike said:
From first hand experience - USA and it's minions.

They destabilized the region, they offered money for the republics if they depart Yugoslavia, they supervised the delivery of guns, organized ans sponsored anti-government groups in all the republic, monitored guns and ammo delivery, organized mercenaries, been the first to illegitimately recognize parts of my country as independent states which provoked more destruction, deaths and war debt.

Currently they have incorporated most of the territories of Yugoslavia into NATO; territories which would otherwise NEVER have been NATO. So aggression and occupation is the word.
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I'm sure all the other Yugoslav provinces will say Serbia under Milosevic.
 
LeBrok said:
I'm sure all the other Yugoslav provinces will say Serbia under Milosevic.
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You didn't even know there was a difference between Bosnians and Bosniaks, so be aware that you have no idea what you're talking about. Only god knows how many more things were omitted in the distorted chain of events that CNN implanted in your head. It's sad that so many people behind the curtain are deprived of the informations.
 
LeBrok said:
I'm sure all the other Yugoslav provinces will say Serbia under Milosevic.
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I also heard that Milosevic refused to renounce power.
Croatia and Serbia are not in good relations from during WW2 time.
 
Ike said:
You didn't even know there was a difference between Bosnians and Bosniaks, so be aware that you have no idea what you're talking about. Only god knows how many more things were omitted in the distorted chain of events that CNN implanted in your head. It's sad that so many people behind the curtain are deprived of the informations.
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Tell these Bosniaks and Croats how things really are. Only you are the beacon of ultimate truth, who still lives in Yugoslavia.
 
the war in Ukraine with another view,

the wife of an ukrainian politician

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and her shelfie during the war,

looks like simple people are fighting,
but politicians drow shelfie,


really 'nice' war,

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Just follow the politicians,
war is for others, not for them
 
This is interesting:
Woman was arrested on suspicion of phoning Ukrainian embassy in Moscow to warn Russian troops might be sent to Ukraine
Russia has dropped treason charges against a woman accused of phoning the Ukrainian embassy in Moscow last year to warn that Russian soldiers might be heading to eastern Ukraine, her lawyer has said.Svetlana Davydova, 37, was arrested at her home west of Moscow in January on suspicion of making the call after overhearing a soldier’s conversation about troops from a nearby military base being sent to Ukraine.
Davydova was released from pre-trial detention in February after nearly 20,000 people signed a petition to free her.
Her lawyer, Ivan Pavlov, said prosecutors had dropped the charges, which could have put her in prison for 20 years if she had been convicted.
“Criminal proceedings against Svetlana Davydova have been dismissed for lack of evidence. She is completely cleared of charges of treason,” Pavlov wrote on Facebook.
Davydova ruled out seeking compensation for the time she was detained. “I won’t be asking for any compensation. Let any money that I may win in court go to social programmes,” she said, according to news agency Interfax.
Davydova’s husband, Anatoly Gorlov, previously told Reuters that investigators from the Federal Security Service , the successor to the Soviet KGB, arrested his wife in January at their home in Vyazma, 150 miles (250km) west of Moscow.
Russia adamantly denies Western accusations it is sending arms or soldiers to eastern Ukraine to support pro-Russia rebels fighting Ukrainian government troops in a conflict that has killed more than 6,000 since last April.
Pavlov questioned why the case had been opened against his client. “Sometimes we try to find malice in that which can be explained by ordinary stupidity,” he said.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...son-charges-against-svetlana-davydova-ukraine

Why would FSS arrest this woman, if the allegation is not true. She couldn't overhear this conversation, about Russian troops going to Ukraine, because there are no Russian troops in Ukraine. Right?
Unless someone is lying.

Looks like FSS was quick on a trigger to arrest Svetlana, just to catch themselves in seriously complicated case. To prosecute her for treason, Putin would need to admit that Russian troops are in Ukraine first. Oops.
 
for those who know history of S Europe, M East, and ex Ussr,

2 man,

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the first is connected with the dictator all over the world,

the second is the creator of Mujahideen in Afganistan, since he financed them, of Al Kainta, and all US/Nato campaigns in Middle East,
he is possibly the one who planed how DAESH would be armed with modern US army equipment,
he is also known for Iran and Sach case,
the man is dangerous,
He is planning and pushing a full Nato and EU invasion to Russia,
in fact in his last speeches, he spoke open about that,
I hope Obama did not hear him, and Ukraine find a solution with no more dead people, outside the stupid word of Border and sauvereign.



Brzezinski thoughts

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-democrat-brzezinski-says-russias-putin-wants-to-invade-nato/5435363


I leave with with no critisism,
I leave you to Judge his words and opinignions
 
Yetos said:
for those who know history of S Europe, M East, and ex Ussr,

2 man,

th




220px-MSC_2014_Brzezinski_Kleinschmidt_MSC2014.jpg




the first is connected with the dictator all over the world,

the second is the creator of Mujahideen in Afganistan, since he financed them, of Al Kainta, and all US/Nato campaigns in Middle East,
he is possibly the one who planed how DAESH would be armed with modern US army equipment,
he is also known for Iran and Sach case,
the man is dangerous,
He is planning and pushing a full Nato and EU invasion to Russia,
in fact in his last speeches, he spoke open about that,
I hope Obama did not hear him, and Ukraine find a solution with no more dead people, outside the stupid word of Border and sauvereign.



Brzezinski thoughts

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-democrat-brzezinski-says-russias-putin-wants-to-invade-nato/5435363


I leave with with no critisism,
I leave you to Judge his words and opinignions
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Yetos, not the Research Group again! This is the website of conspiracy theorists, holocaust deniers, and half truth champions.

Thanks for posting pictures of my real life heroes!
 
LeBrok said:
Yetos, not the Research Group again! This is the website of conspiracy theorists, holocaust deniers, and half truth champions.

Thanks for posting pictures of my real life heroes!
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ok do you want to post his twits?
they say the same.

US become hated by these 2 man, and a 3rd one which no need to post right now,
 
Off-topic:
On Serbia and ex-Yugo matters,I have to agree with Ike.
US should have supported Serbia and Montenegro,since they are traditional allies since WW2 times.
Supporting Bosnia ,a muslim state,is weird,same about supporting the Muslim Albanians from Kosovo.
Between Croatia and Serbia things were not very rough.
I mean,Bosnia should have been split in two,a part to be given to Serbia another part,to Croatia.
Kosovo should have been let to Serbia. Slovenia should have been let to be independent.
Now,US lost Serbia as an important ally in Balkans.
And we have two more muslim states in Balkans,besides Albania and Turkey.
Now Muslim states have a lot of power in the area ,I mean in Balkans.
 
Yetos, to be fair, it should be also mentioned that the politician in question, Aleksandr Politukha has divorced his wife exactly because of those photos :)
 
LeBrok said:
Tell these Bosniaks and Croats how things really are. Only you are the beacon of ultimate truth, who still lives in Yugoslavia.
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Well, I see you have no problem defying international law :) If there were not so many warmongering criminals like that, we could have avoided the war here. It's important to notice once again that, considering Yugoslavian crisis, western countries that were led by USA, UK and Germany always insisted on solutions that were illegitimate and devastating.
 
No offense Ike,but if we make an analysis of how Kosovars Albanians behave with Kosovar Serbians,some Russians are behaving same with Ukrainians.
The aggressor nation in Kosovo was Kosovar Albanians while Serbians started to defend themselves.
In today Ukraine conflict,the aggressor nation is Russians and their allies.
As Kosovar Albanians think they are some kind of special nation so they do not need to respect any international rules so they just took Kosovo from Serbia,same did Russians under Putin,by taking Crimea from Ukraine.
Russia signed a treaty with Ukraine,guaranteeing the Ukraine territorial integrity ,while in exchange Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.
Why NATO supported Kosovar Albanians in this takeover of Kosovo,from Serbia,I guess is Albanian propaganda who is portraying the Albanians as victims and Serbians as aggressors.
Again,same is happening in Ukraine,look :
Putin is sending mercenaries to take a part of Ukraine,he already took Crimeea and Russian propaganda is telling that actually Ukrainians are the aggressors,that they are Nazis and so on.
I have a very weird theory,that Russia and Nuland are allied in secret and the whole thing with Nuland being intercepted while she was telling that US gave 5 billions $ to support Maidan is just propaganda.
This propaganda gave Putin a reason to send mercenaries in Eastern Ukraine and take Crimeea,under the pretext he is defending from "US aggression".
Sorry,but Ukraine was not intending to join NATO,so where is this threat about which Putin was talking?

Look here please Ike:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_integrity

I am very sorry that NATO supported such a lawless act,as taking Kosovo from Serbia.
And in fact was US leaders from than,that pushed for bombing of Serbia and supporting Kosovo going autonomous from Serbia.

As for the splitting of ex-Yugo,that was the result of Milosevic wanting to become the leader of all Yugo.
I understand that it was an agreement that every period of time,the president was changing,with a president of another state of Yugo.
So 4 years Serbia had the president of Yugo,after these 4 years,Croatia had the president of Yugo,after these 4 years,Bosnia was having the president of Yugo and so on.
Yugo was a federation of different states,not a single state.
This is how the name of Yugoslavia was:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia

No nation is entitled to lead other nation by force.
 
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