Palasgians, pre Ancient Greeks...would their DNA be E-V13?

torzio · Jun 15, 2021

The term Pelasgians has always been confusing ....................Did the Iliad mention them ( Pelasgians ) as south of the Troad ????

the Phygians as their eastern neighbour

MOESAN · Jun 25, 2021

Who is sure there has not been other IEans in Greece before Helens? I think the debate is still open. But yes, Pelasgian is confusing, because it can cover a lot of diverse cultures and people.

Riverman · Jun 28, 2021

MOESAN said:
Who is sure there has not been other IEans in Greece before Helens? I think the debate is still open. But yes, Pelasgian is confusing, because it can cover a lot of diverse cultures and people.

I think the debate is not open insofar, as for sure at least in some regions of Greece had to be pre-Greek IE. I'd say especially those related to Proto-Anatolians and Cernavoda were just too close. Greeks were a later wave, which however managed to march deeper into what is now Greece and hopping on the islands, so making a maritime transitions those before seem to have not made, probably also by fusing with local seafarers.

Jovialis · Jun 29, 2021

Greece Neolithic, who would be the so-call "Pelasgians".

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[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A0, align: right"]19.69157688[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A7, align: right"]19.92414866[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C3, align: right"]20.74236968[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C9, align: right"]20.91704807[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D9, align: right"]21.39073631[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FC, align: right"]22.39960937[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E800FF, align: right"]23.18561407[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E200FF, align: right"]23.34342948[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C600FF, align: right"]24.17234370[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6E00FF, align: right"]26.77793308[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6100FF, align: right"]27.14932228[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5700FF, align: right"]27.42703411[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2700FF, align: right"]28.85941268[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1700FF, align: right"]29.30942340[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.11091288[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.28397062[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.76083085[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.07852256[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.16161150[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.14009546[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.22881588[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.88398568[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.96227401[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.08341543[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.39192025[/TD]
[TD]Spaniards

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Jovialis · Jun 29, 2021

Jovialis said:
Greece Neolithic, who would be the so-call "Pelasgians".

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[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A0, align: right"]19.69157688[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A7, align: right"]19.92414866[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C3, align: right"]20.74236968[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C9, align: right"]20.91704807[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D9, align: right"]21.39073631[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FC, align: right"]22.39960937[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E800FF, align: right"]23.18561407[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E200FF, align: right"]23.34342948[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C600FF, align: right"]24.17234370[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6E00FF, align: right"]26.77793308[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6100FF, align: right"]27.14932228[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5700FF, align: right"]27.42703411[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2700FF, align: right"]28.85941268[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1700FF, align: right"]29.30942340[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.11091288[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.28397062[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.76083085[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.07852256[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.16161150[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.14009546[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.22881588[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.88398568[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.96227401[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.08341543[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.39192025[/TD]
[TD]Spaniards
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Also, this sample is a female, and the mtDNA is K1a26.

Southpaw · Jun 29, 2021

Jovialis said:
Greece Neolithic, who would be the so-call "Pelasgians".

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[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A0, align: right"]19.69157688[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A7, align: right"]19.92414866[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C3, align: right"]20.74236968[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C9, align: right"]20.91704807[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D9, align: right"]21.39073631[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FC, align: right"]22.39960937[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E800FF, align: right"]23.18561407[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E200FF, align: right"]23.34342948[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C600FF, align: right"]24.17234370[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6E00FF, align: right"]26.77793308[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6100FF, align: right"]27.14932228[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5700FF, align: right"]27.42703411[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2700FF, align: right"]28.85941268[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1700FF, align: right"]29.30942340[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.11091288[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.28397062[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.76083085[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.07852256[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.16161150[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.14009546[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.22881588[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.88398568[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.96227401[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.08341543[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.39192025[/TD]
[TD]Spaniards[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Neolithic is too early to label Pelasgians, we don't know if Pelasgians were Early Neolithic people or CHG or a mix of both of them, and a chunk of Steppe here and there. Patrilinearly i have four scenarios in mind:

1. G2a.
2. J2a
3. A mix of G2a and J2a
4. E-V13 incomers from Danube, Peleset/Philistines/Pelasgians according to Marija Gimbutas were late-comers to Greece from Danube basin during the Late Bronze Age turmoil, and ancient Greek authors were confused and wrong on their assumptions, but still they can be labelled as Early Neolithic descended people, but incoming from further North, Danube basin.

Jovialis · Jun 29, 2021

At any rate, here are other Neolithic Greek samples from Matheison et al. 2018, in Dodecad K12b format:

Code:

Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I5427,0,0,2.49,0,48.75,0,0,0,14.27,0,33.81,0.67
Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I2318,0,0,3.07,0,44.19,0,0,0,13.34,0,39.27,0.13
Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I3708,0,0.11,4.14,0,44.52,0,0,0.08,15.81,0,35.15,0.18
Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I3709,0,0,2.84,0.05,41.04,0,0,0,13.53,0,41.5,1.04
Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I3920,0.45,0,4.53,0.27,35.93,1.27,0,0,15.22,0,41.57,0.76

Jovialis · Jun 29, 2021

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[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I3920[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5300, align: right"]12.55067329[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2400, align: right"]13.93445370[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1B00, align: right"]14.20389031[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1000, align: right"]14.53853500[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0021, align: right"]15.98064454[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF003B, align: right"]16.73781646[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007E, align: right"]18.70733546[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B1, align: right"]20.21094011[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F2, align: right"]22.11675835[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E900FF, align: right"]23.13261334[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BC00FF, align: right"]24.47959558[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7A00FF, align: right"]26.42099922[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5800FF, align: right"]27.40526774[/TD]
[TD]Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4D00FF, align: right"]27.74727014[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2100FF, align: right"]29.01828734[/TD]
[TD]Turkish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.07047223[/TD]
[TD]Syrians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.26174152[/TD]
[TD]Jordanians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.65401931[/TD]
[TD]Palestinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.05522661[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.47099140[/TD]
[TD]Samaritians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.86389179[/TD]
[TD]Turks[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.88552963[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.72596922[/TD]
[TD]Iraq_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.97342785[/TD]
[TD]Armenian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.05508773[/TD]
[TD]Assyrian[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I3709[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005C, align: right"]17.70140955[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005C, align: right"]17.70880572[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0064, align: right"]17.93321499[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007E, align: right"]18.70059357[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00BA, align: right"]20.46705157[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D1, align: right"]21.15268068[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E1, align: right"]21.61280870[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DC00FF, align: right"]23.52872712[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DA00FF, align: right"]23.57725175[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B200FF, align: right"]24.75990711[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AB00FF, align: right"]24.97495145[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4900FF, align: right"]27.84140083[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.40738233[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.80412866[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.45537398[/TD]
[TD]Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.08038996[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.31648541[/TD]
[TD]Turkish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.09498967[/TD]
[TD]Syrians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.47444432[/TD]
[TD]Jordanians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.85461895[/TD]
[TD]Palestinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.25245923[/TD]
[TD]Turks[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.62070862[/TD]
[TD]Samaritians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.82807896[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.90385469[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.97744331[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I3708[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0096, align: right"]19.40351772[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A1, align: right"]19.73851058[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A9, align: right"]19.98423128[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B1, align: right"]20.21531845[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E5, align: right"]21.74873330[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ED00FF, align: right"]23.02683869[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E900FF, align: right"]23.13563269[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D900FF, align: right"]23.61503546[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C600FF, align: right"]24.18195195[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5E00FF, align: right"]27.24194376[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5700FF, align: right"]27.43963374[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4E00FF, align: right"]27.69148244[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2300FF, align: right"]28.97424201[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1000FF, align: right"]29.53746604[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.36124838[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.14803916[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.55961114[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.57203449[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.61046712[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.71862119[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.85028452[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.11957226[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.34769319[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.70677730[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.99598357[/TD]
[TD]Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I2318[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0093, align: right"]19.33047594[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF009C, align: right"]19.57458556[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AD, align: right"]20.08565657[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B8, align: right"]20.40588641[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E8, align: right"]21.83529940[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FA00FF, align: right"]22.65419167[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E800FF, align: right"]23.17877477[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DF00FF, align: right"]23.44600819[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C700FF, align: right"]24.13538067[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7800FF, align: right"]26.48128396[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6200FF, align: right"]27.12975488[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4700FF, align: right"]27.90359117[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2600FF, align: right"]28.89308049[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.64388683[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.00872006[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.37902486[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.67226374[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.87326442[/TD]
[TD]Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.00503298[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.14460402[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.16399314[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.34873313[/TD]
[TD]Turkish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.78350566[/TD]
[TD]Syrians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]38.09672952[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]38.14858320[/TD]
[TD]Jordanians[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I5427[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EE00FF, align: right"]22.99721722[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E900FF, align: right"]23.15988990[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E300FF, align: right"]23.32663285[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D800FF, align: right"]23.64329715[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D400FF, align: right"]23.76852330[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CB00FF, align: right"]24.01698774[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BA00FF, align: right"]24.54388111[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6F00FF, align: right"]26.72652428[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6B00FF, align: right"]26.85388612[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6A00FF, align: right"]26.87959263[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4900FF, align: right"]27.84898562[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3000FF, align: right"]28.59936887[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1C00FF, align: right"]29.16756589[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0900FF, align: right"]29.73029600[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.99162306[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.81028922[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.94871672[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.51302047[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.24054903[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.28784478[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.40721872[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.91192490[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.07662184[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.11704002[/TD]
[TD]Spaniards[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.28731358[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_La_Mancha

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Jovialis · Jun 29, 2021

Here are all of them, plus an aggregate of all 6 samples:

Code:

Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I5427,0,0,2.49,0,48.75,0,0,0,14.27,0,33.81,0.67
Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I2318,0,0,3.07,0,44.19,0,0,0,13.34,0,39.27,0.13
Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I3708,0,0.11,4.14,0,44.52,0,0,0.08,15.81,0,35.15,0.18
Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I3709,0,0,2.84,0.05,41.04,0,0,0,13.53,0,41.5,1.04
Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I3920,0.45,0,4.53,0.27,35.93,1.27,0,0,15.22,0,41.57,0.76
Greece_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave_Neolithic:I2937,0,0,2.55,1.31,44.77,0,0,0,12.74,0,36.69,1.95

Greece_N_(n=6),0.075,0.018333333,3.27,0.271666667,43.2,0.211666667,0,0.013333333,14.15166667,0,37.99833333,0.788333333

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Greece_N_(n=6)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0074, align: right"]18.40171241[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007C, align: right"]18.64401922[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0087, align: right"]18.97314030[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0088, align: right"]19.01187312[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00CE, align: right"]21.07059609[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E4, align: right"]21.70606949[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FD00FF, align: right"]22.55991695[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FC00FF, align: right"]22.57831599[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DE00FF, align: right"]23.46493809[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8F00FF, align: right"]25.80042221[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7200FF, align: right"]26.63307066[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6400FF, align: right"]27.06937912[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3A00FF, align: right"]28.28656665[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0100FF, align: right"]29.96172535[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.34028923[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.80904556[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.91952347[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.02669153[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.16409371[/TD]
[TD]Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.31738174[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.41767147[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.80509442[/TD]
[TD]Turkish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.56695712[/TD]
[TD]Syrians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.88730296[/TD]
[TD]Jordanians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.23570266[/TD]
[TD]Palestinian

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Jovialis · Jun 29, 2021

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Jovialis[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AD00FF, align: right"]24.90830958[/TD]
[TD]Greece_N_(n=6)

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Significantly distant, but relatively close.

Cpluskx · Jun 29, 2021

E-V13 is likely Indo-European. Pre IE Greek populations were largely EEF's with mostly J and G Y-Dna's.

Minoans, otoh, have large amounts of CHG, imo as a result of direct migration from Maykop-Kura Araxes areas, who brought the language and started the Greek civilisation by mixing with the local EEF's

bigsnake49 · Jun 29, 2021

@Jovialis, are those modern populations you compared the neolithic inhabitants of Greece to? I was thinking it would make more sense to compare them to other neolithic populations or Bronze Age populations.

Jovialis · Jun 29, 2021

Here they are compared to the Eupedia checker. Looks like Maciamo already compiled some of them together, I am guessing from the early part of the Neolithic.

They are close to Minoans, which makes perfect sense, considering that they too are Anatolian_N + CHG:

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Greece_N_(n=6)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #11FF00, align: right"]0.50181615[/TD]
[TD]Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9DFF00, align: right"]4.60799155[/TD]
[TD]Minoan_Greece_(n=10)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CCFF00, align: right"]5.99914600[/TD]
[TD]Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CEFF00, align: right"]6.06872195[/TD]
[TD]Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA600, align: right"]10.11111861[/TD]
[TD]Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6D00, align: right"]11.78200263[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6300, align: right"]12.09561020[/TD]
[TD]EN_LBK_culture_(n=43)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4700, align: right"]12.92535052[/TD]
[TD]EMBA_Greece_(n=6)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4600, align: right"]12.94833655[/TD]
[TD]LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2300, align: right"]13.97715825[/TD]
[TD]Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0100, align: right"]14.95983688[/TD]
[TD]LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0009, align: right"]15.26975287[/TD]
[TD]MN_Vinca_culture_(n=6)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0014, align: right"]15.59472943[/TD]
[TD]Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0014, align: right"]15.60007113[/TD]
[TD]Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0049, align: right"]17.14309539[/TD]
[TD]Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005E, align: right"]17.75523170[/TD]
[TD]Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0062, align: right"]17.88362434[/TD]
[TD]Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0062, align: right"]17.89231733[/TD]
[TD]EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0076, align: right"]18.45974411[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0087, align: right"]18.95663084[/TD]
[TD]Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AC, align: right"]20.06943828[/TD]
[TD]Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B3, align: right"]20.26378591[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C0, align: right"]20.63983090[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Greeks_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00EE, align: right"]22.00639421[/TD]
[TD]Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FC00FF, align: right"]22.59681510[/TD]
[TD]Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Jovialis · Jun 29, 2021

Here are the three Early Neolithic samples from Greece, vs other ancient samples. Again, Minoans are number one:

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9FFF00, align: right"]4.67690068[/TD]
[TD]Minoan_Greece_(n=10)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CCFF00, align: right"]5.99230340[/TD]
[TD]Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D1FF00, align: right"]6.13463935[/TD]
[TD]Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA200, align: right"]10.22518459[/TD]
[TD]Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6A00, align: right"]11.86980623[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6200, align: right"]12.11156472[/TD]
[TD]EN_LBK_culture_(n=43)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4600, align: right"]12.94813500[/TD]
[TD]LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4200, align: right"]13.05937977[/TD]
[TD]EMBA_Greece_(n=6)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2000, align: right"]14.06299755[/TD]
[TD]Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0001, align: right"]15.02037949[/TD]
[TD]LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000C, align: right"]15.34077899[/TD]
[TD]MN_Vinca_culture_(n=6)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0014, align: right"]15.57916557[/TD]
[TD]Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0017, align: right"]15.67691615[/TD]
[TD]Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF004A, align: right"]17.18863869[/TD]
[TD]Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005E, align: right"]17.76622357[/TD]
[TD]Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0063, align: right"]17.90113404[/TD]
[TD]Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0064, align: right"]17.93495749[/TD]
[TD]EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0075, align: right"]18.43027943[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF008A, align: right"]19.06663316[/TD]
[TD]Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AE, align: right"]20.11910038[/TD]
[TD]Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B6, align: right"]20.35612930[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C4, align: right"]20.76235295[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Greeks_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F2, align: right"]22.12733152[/TD]
[TD]Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F700FF, align: right"]22.74940659[/TD]
[TD]Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E300FF, align: right"]23.31082367[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic_Italy_(n=5)

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Jovialis · Jun 29, 2021

This is annoying, ALL of them are female. However, there are 3 more, one from the "Final Neolithic", that I believe were in the Clemente et. al 2021 paper, one of which is G2a2a1a2.

From the supplement of Mathieson et al. 2018:

Southpaw · Jun 29, 2021

It's totally amazing and surprising how E-V13 is missing in Neolithic Greece/Bulgaria, Serbia (Vinca samples were again mostly G2a and some H).

We were so misslead by modern percentages.

Palermo Trapani · Jun 29, 2021

Riverman said:
Also, what's the handy alternative?

Good question, for me, and this is perhaps due to my old school Dominican Nuns teaching, every time I see Palasgian, I think of Pelagius(Pelagianism)!! a dualistic philosophy that was rampant in parts of the Western_Latin Church in 4th Century which Saint Augustine got into heated debates with. Obviously, the words are not related but they are to my eye sometimes similar. Thus I have to do a double take sometimes.

Palermo Trapani · Jun 29, 2021

Jovialis: My distances using coordinates from your post #589 (thanks for the work).

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8900, align: right"]18.26657603[/TD]
[TD]Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I3920[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5500, align: right"]20.82958279[/TD]
[TD]Greece_N_(n=6)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4E00, align: right"]21.18285155[/TD]
[TD]Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I3709[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4C00, align: right"]21.29334403[/TD]
[TD]Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I3708[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4400, align: right"]21.68626985[/TD]
[TD]Greece_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave_Neolithic:I2937[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3D00, align: right"]21.98648221[/TD]
[TD]Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I2318[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1400, align: right"]24.02083471[/TD]
[TD]Greece_Peloponnese_Neolithic:I5427

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Jovialis · Jun 29, 2021

Here are the Northern Greece Neolithic samples, from Hofmanova et al. 2016 (they were not from Clemente et al. 2021):

Code:

Northern_Greece_Final_Neolithic:Klei10,0,0,2.1,0.17,46.06,0,0,0,14.18,0,35.73,1.76
Northern_Greece_Late_Neolithic:Pal7,0,0,4.41,0.01,47.42,0,0,0,13.07,0.67,32.97,1.44
Northern_Greece_Early_Neolithic:Rev5,0,0,4.74,0,48.42,0,0,0,12.15,0.13,33.21,1.35

Northern_Greece_N_(n=3),0,0,3.75,0.06,47.3,0,0,0,13.13333333,0.266666667,33.97,1.516666667

Jovialis · Jun 29, 2021

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Northern_Greece_N_(n=3)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E4, align: right"]21.69984485[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00EE, align: right"]21.99407875[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F8, align: right"]22.29113501[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FA, align: right"]22.33997016[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F100FF, align: right"]22.92029741[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E700FF, align: right"]23.20305943[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E200FF, align: right"]23.34354086[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9600FF, align: right"]25.59428647[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7600FF, align: right"]26.51733772[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7600FF, align: right"]26.54116174[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4D00FF, align: right"]27.73326703[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4D00FF, align: right"]27.74656195[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2C00FF, align: right"]28.69622914[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2C00FF, align: right"]28.71904420[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.86826472[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.66319893[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.78298549[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.89701397[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.15359855[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.08165831[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.12505873[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.72958969[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.75710239[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.13000854[/TD]
[TD]Spaniards[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.37613367[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_La_Mancha[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Northern_Greece_Early_Neolithic:Rev5[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F900FF, align: right"]22.66463545[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F300FF, align: right"]22.83912214[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EC00FF, align: right"]23.04417497[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E600FF, align: right"]23.24397126[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E500FF, align: right"]23.26946067[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DC00FF, align: right"]23.52799184[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BE00FF, align: right"]24.40618774[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8000FF, align: right"]26.23530446[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8000FF, align: right"]26.24034108[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7000FF, align: right"]26.69441889[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5000FF, align: right"]27.63428487[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4000FF, align: right"]28.12002134[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3200FF, align: right"]28.53540958[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0D00FF, align: right"]29.60986322[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0600FF, align: right"]29.83672569[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.74761779[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.87141072[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.00974041[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.29513778[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.32057022[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.65634561[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.81588384[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.88759803[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.23658862[/TD]
[TD]Spaniards[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.41354385[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_La_Mancha[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Northern_Greece_Late_Neolithic

al7[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00EC, align: right"]21.93589296[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F7, align: right"]22.27435521[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F8, align: right"]22.28050493[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FB, align: right"]22.39067663[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F000FF, align: right"]22.93471386[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E500FF, align: right"]23.26163580[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DE00FF, align: right"]23.45906861[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8D00FF, align: right"]25.86319586[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8100FF, align: right"]26.20212968[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6B00FF, align: right"]26.84133752[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5F00FF, align: right"]27.19634718[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4E00FF, align: right"]27.69195732[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3600FF, align: right"]28.40731068[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2200FF, align: right"]29.01122024[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.13253557[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.87910135[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.01443051[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.15591276[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.79331792[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.38521978[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.39659414[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.95610696[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.00768884[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.46460358[/TD]
[TD]Spaniards[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.64518581[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_La_Mancha[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Northern_Greece_Final_Neolithic:Klei10[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C5, align: right"]20.78053175[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00CA, align: right"]20.93053750[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E1, align: right"]21.60660084[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00ED, align: right"]21.98194259[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F1, align: right"]22.09761752[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F200FF, align: right"]22.88638460[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DC00FF, align: right"]23.54022940[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BD00FF, align: right"]24.44903679[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9E00FF, align: right"]25.36214699[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5A00FF, align: right"]27.35781972[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4F00FF, align: right"]27.67823694[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4D00FF, align: right"]27.74897115[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1500FF, align: right"]29.38070115[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0400FF, align: right"]29.89179821[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.12408007[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.77802923[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.35010345[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.50804978[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.93183461[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.69166289[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.82889895[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.48419521[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.58116182[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.83000679[/TD]
[TD]Spaniards[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.20055645[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_La_Mancha

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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