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Anatolian, Greek, Macedonian, Bulgarian.
Y-DNA haplogroup
J2 - J-L26
mtDNA haplogroup
M - M5a
First off, hello everyone! I would like to start a discussion about the M haplogroup as my first post.
Just learned my mtDNA is M5a, but I can barely find information about M itself so I thought we might need a thread on it first.

I will try to update this post whenever I find more information about this particular sub-haplogroup(?)
Anyone else sharing this mtDNA with me? What information have you been able to gather?

mtDNA M - What do we know?


"Haplogroup M is one of two groups that branched from haplogroup L3 soon after humans ventured out of Africa about 60,000 years ago.
The exit from Africa itself likely crossed the Bab el-Mandeb, a narrow strait at the southern end of the Red Sea. Early members of M appear
to have migrated rapidly along the coast of the Indian Ocean, probably reaching southeastern Asia within a few thousand years.
The harsh Ice Age climate 60,000 years ago would have made life away from the coast difficult for the new migrants.
But with climatic improvements over the millennia people gradually carried haplogroup M inland, often following the paths of major rivers like the Indus in India.
Once it had established itself in coastal Asia and some inland locations as well, M gave rise to local haplogroups throughout the continent."



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M5 is a predominant haplogroup among the caste populations in India, especially among the Brahmin populations (Maji et al. 2009). M5a was found in individuals from the Brahmin populations of Uttar Pradesh and the Gadaba population of Orissa. The coalescence time of M5a is estimated to be 23,100 ± 7,700 BP and it may have been introduced to Europe by the Romani population from India. M5a1b1a1 is the most distinctive European Romani haplogroup, which represents 18% of their mtDNA pool (Gómez-Carballa et al. 2013).

M5 (1888-16129) was observed to be predominant among the castes rather than tribes (Basu et al. 2003). Sun et al.(2006) reported haplogroup M5 in individuals from Bhargavaand Chaturvedi (Brahmin) populations of Uttar Pradesh andfrom Thogataveera population of Andhra Pradesh. Individuals from Rajputs of Bihar and Muslims of Karnataka were also found to harbour this haplogroup (Rajkumar et al. 2005).

The haplogroup is also present in three predominant caste populations of Maharashtra, namely, Maratha, Desasth Brahmin and Chitpavan Brahmin (Gaikwad and Kashyap 2005) and also among the caste groups of Orissa, viz., Oriya Brah-mins, Karan and Gope (Sahoo and Kashyap 2006). But in contrast to the predominance of M5 in caste populations, the tribe Koya displays the presence of M5 up to 32% (Kivisild etal. 2003). Even the tribes of Orissa (Juang, Saora and Paroja ) show the presence of M5 but in comparatively low frequency of about 5%–10% (Sahoo and Kashyap 2006).

The sub-haplogroup of M5, M5a (709-3921-12477-14323) was reported in individuals from Brahmin populations of Uttar Pradesh and from Reddy populations of Andhra Pradesh (Sun et al. 2006). Rajkumar et al. (2005) observed this sub-haplogroup in a Bhovi individual from Karnataka of southern India and Thangaraj et al. (2006) found M5a in Gadaba population of Orissa. Another sub-haplogroup of M5, M5b was reported in Saora and Paroja populations of Orissa (Sahoo and Kashyap 2006). The coalescence times of M5 and its sub-haplogroup M5a was estimated to be 52, 000 ± 14, 600 and 23, 100 ± 7700 yr, respectively (Thangaraj et al. 2006).
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That's to fascinating! Thanks for the input, really do appreciate it. Would never have crossed my mind, India feels so far away, but given the time frame it sounds more than applause. How widespread is this particular gene among western europeans?
 
Received my results now.

My mtdna is m1b2
 
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thejkhan said:
Very rare. Mostly found among people with Romani origin.
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In my case, I believe m1b2 it is of Iberomaurusian origin

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Note: The Spain one is from Andalusia.

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From Wikipedia
Ancient DNA analysis of Iberomaurusian skeletal remains at the Taforalt site in Morocco, which have been dated to between 15,100 and 13,900 ybp, observed the M1b subclade in one of the fossils (1/7; ~14%).

Fossils at the Early Neolithic site of Ifri n'Amr or Moussa in Morocco, which have been dated to around 5,000 BCE, have also been found to carry the M1b subclade. These ancient individuals bore an autochthonous Maghrebi genomic component that peaks among modern Berbers, indicating that they were ancestral to populations in the area.
 
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It is most likely that it originated in North Africa and from there spread throughout the Mediterranean.
M is an old haplogroup, direct descendant of L3, which is associated with the out-of-Africa migration.

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Tautalus said:
It is most likely that it originated in North Africa and from there spread throughout the Mediterranean.
M is an old haplogroup, direct descendant of L3, which is associated with the out-of-Africa migration.

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Thanks for sending the graphic! @Tautalus

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The Iberomaurusian is a backed bladelet lithic industry found near the coasts of Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia. It is also known from a single major site in Libya, the Haua Fteah, where the industry is locally known as the Eastern Oranian.
The Iberomaurusian seems to have appeared around the time of the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), somewhere between c. 25,000 and 23,000 cal BP.


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The Iberomaurusian TAF014 from Taforalt site in Morocco dated to between 15,100 and 13,900 ybp has the M1b subclade so it is in fact possible that this haplogroup is strongly associated with the spread of Iberomaurusian culture.
 
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Some updates about my haplogroup (Thanks @Tautalus for helping with my research)

"...The northwestern African M1c and the probable north central M1b expansions are coincidental with the Iberomaurusian and Capsian industries. "

"...For example, U6a1 and M1b, with their coalescent ages of ~20,000–22,000 years ago and earliest inferred expansion in northwest Africa, could coincide with the flourishing of the Iberomaurusian industry, whilst U6b and M1b1 appeared at the time of the Capsian culture."

"...The age estimates of M1b and U6a1 (~20 KYA) together with their Northwest African-spread patterns are more consistent with their appearance during or after the spread of the Iberomaurusian culture, rather than explainable by an earlier spread of the Dabban industry."

"...When taking the most recent common ancestor estimates of mtDNA haplogroups at face value and comparing them with relevant archeological horizons, then the Capsian culture also appears to be a possible candidate for the co-spread of sub-clades U6b and M1b1."


T52 (Tuareg)
Haplotype IDTGosTGorTTanHV-IHV-IIOther polymorphismsHG
T52 1129 182C 183C 189 223 249 311 362 399 519073 195 263 315.1 489 M1b2

" ...M1b, which has a clear Mediterranean distribution, pointing to North Africa as its most probable gateway to the Tuareg. This finding is inconsistent with the absence of U6, which is believed to have entered Africa together with M1 in a back migration from western Eurasia around 45 000 years ago."
"... The time estimate for M1b, based on the coding region, is 23 400±5600 years,16 placing its origin in the Early Upper Palaeolithic."



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So far this haplogroup is related to Iberia, especially Southern Iberia, coming from the Mediterranean.


Will it have any influence from Tartessos?
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