J-L70 - a much needed update

[Granzon]

I saw a post on GenArchivist regarding this and saw the G25 cords.

It seems that the J2a-L70 and related Y-DNA samples are as follows:

1. I29109 (J2a-L70)
2. I24471 (J2a-L70)
3. I22032 (J2a-L70)
4. S47786 (J2a-L70 > J2a-Z423 > J2a-Z435 ... J2a-S23155) (I assume this is the path)
5. n=31 (J2a-L70 > J2a-Z423 > J2a-Z435 > J2a-CTS3601 > J2a-PF5456)

Below are the G25 of the samples plotted onto Vahaduo G25 map.

I added some G25 samples from populations that I had though may cluster near the J2a-L70s and related on the bottom-left of the G25 PCA.

Zoom in of above.

It's interesting to see that J2a-L70 seems to plot around modern Southern-Italians, Greek-Islanders, Maltese and Mixed-Jewish. J2a-S23155 plots near Byzantines & J2a-PF5456 appears to plot largely around Southern-Italians/Greek-Islanders & Byzantines with some clustering with Celts/Germans/Slavs (I'm assuming were Imperial Era Roman soldiery that settled in Northern/Western/Central Europe and integrated with the natives of those regions.

It seems that the lines that branch off of J2a-L70 are associated with Imperial-Era Roman soldiery and Byzantines? I'm curious what they were BEFORE Imperial-Era Rome.

Any thoughts?

 

[Juan.delajara]

I saw a post on GenArchivist regarding this and saw the G25 cords.

It seems that the J2a-L70 and related Y-DNA samples are as follows:

1. I29109 (J2a-L70)
2. I24471 (J2a-L70)
3. I22032 (J2a-L70)
4. S47786 (J2a-L70 > J2a-Z423 > J2a-Z435 ... J2a-S23155) (I assume this is the path)
5. n=31 (J2a-L70 > J2a-Z423 > J2a-Z435 > J2a-CTS3601 > J2a-PF5456)

Below are the G25 of the samples plotted onto Vahaduo G25 map.
View attachment 19378

I added some G25 samples from populations that I had though may cluster near the J2a-L70s and related on the bottom-left of the G25 PCA.
View attachment 19379

Zoom in of above.
View attachment 19380

It's interesting to see that J2a-L70 seems to plot around modern Southern-Italians, Greek-Islanders, Maltese and Mixed-Jewish. J2a-S23155 plots near Byzantines & J2a-PF5456 appears to plot largely around Southern-Italians/Greek-Islanders & Byzantines with some clustering with Celts/Germans/Slavs (I'm assuming were Imperial Era Roman soldiery that settled in Northern/Western/Central Europe and integrated with the natives of those regions.

This is just speculation...
Can we speculate which culture/civilization that the J2a-L70 male line is associated with? I was hoping they would cluster with Minoans or Aegean Greeks so we could drawn a conclusion already. It seems that the lines that branch off of J2a-L70 are associated with Imperial-Era Roman soldiery and Byzantines? I'm curious what they were BEFORE Imperial-Era Rome.

Even when I add an ancient sample from Roman limes from J2a-2177 (CGG107753) which is in the path of my line J2a-L70 > J2a-Z423 > J2a-Z435 > J-Z2177 > J2a-Z28698, it clusters around Byzantine samples.

View attachment 19382

Any thoughts?

Thanks Granzon. I also made a quick analysis of the JL70's samples. We urgently need to know more details regarding the origin and age of the samples, to compare properly their Autosomal, and draw further conclusions, considering the geographical area of their burial and historical/archeological context. One of the JL70 should be the Myceanean sample from southern Peloponnese, it seems with a more Anatolic mixture than previous samples. One comment, J-S23155 is my clade and is under J-PF5456.