How can IE migration be explained without mentioning Seima Turbino?

- seima turbino and okunevo spiral patterns spread east and west. This spiral pattern was called " Auspicious clouds" at china, which is related to auspicious significance or deities or immortals;

seima turbino (one spiral, two spirals, three spiral combination):
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okunevo spiral patterns on deers:
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Repeated representations of the hybridised creature on Late NBA razors. Even though there are slight variations to the motif, the overall image appears the same, which is further underlined by the similarity in posture. The hybridised creature is clearly distinguishable from a horse on c, where it co-appears with more natural-looking horses without the oversized eye, the beard and the beak. (after Kaul 1998b: a: Figure 1, b: fig. 203, c: fig. 313).

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spirals " Migration Period picture stone from Havor, Hablingbo, Gotland:

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It's rich of doc's (artefact). The question is the interpretation we may (or not) give them.
 
It's rich of doc's (artefact). The question is the interpretation we may (or not) give them.
He already interpretated them as trash. I endured my dirty mouth shot to lead this thread to be close. Before leaving, I come back here to say "good bye"
 
He already interpretated them as trash. I endured my dirty mouth shot to lead this thread to be close. Before leaving, I come back here to say "good bye"
This is trash by the way,there is similarity between all the artifacts around the world,all the sun symbol,because there are only sun and moon,so much. Sema turbino are related to Shimao,and was N1a1 Zhou clan,which I explained before,Zhou people told they come from western Kunlun, not much of secret,Its in their history books
 
This is trash by the way,there is similarity between all the artifacts around the world,all the sun symbol,because there are only sun and moon,so much. Sema turbino are related to Shimao,and was N1a1 Zhou clan,which I explained before,Zhou people told they come from western Kunlun, not much of secret,Its in their history books
Seima Turbino is a cultural terms, and apparently not an ethnic qualification. The first traces of this S.T. culture appeared around 2000 BC. Even if not the mainstream opinion, some archeologists seem linking the metallurgic aspect to Iran sphere, ta least partly !?! - The cultural, artefacts aspects links it to diverse cultures or rather could show it expanded among diverse ethnies and precedent cultural horizons. The S.T. horizon had inputs on IE's and Finno-Ugric's if I don't mistake and the paternal markers, Y-N1 a sa whole is rather Uralic and northern. I know very little but the story of this materal (and religious?) culture diffusion is rather complicated.
 
他已经把它们解读成垃圾了。我忍着脏话把这个帖子拖下去。离开之前,我回来跟大家说声“再见”
Seima Turbino is a cultural terms, and apparently not an ethnic qualification. The first traces of this S.T. culture appeared around 2000 BC. Even if not the mainstream opinion, some archeologists seem linking the metallurgic aspect to Iran sphere, ta least partly !?! - The cultural, artefacts aspects links it to diverse cultures or rather could show it expanded among diverse ethnies and precedent cultural horizons. The S.T. horizon had inputs on IE's and Finno-Ugric's if I don't mistake and the paternal markers, Y-N1 a sa whole is rather Uralic and northern. I know very little but the story of this materal (and religious?) culture diffusion is rather complicated.
The ordos culture was not established until 800 BC. It belongs to the Andronovo R1a culture and belongs to the edge of China. The subsequent majiayuan culture was even later. The earliest ordos culture was established 300 years later than the Zhou Dynasty.
I think R1a unrelated to turbino,or at least not major part of it
 
Seima Turbino is a cultural terms, and apparently not an ethnic qualification. The first traces of this S.T. culture appeared around 2000 BC. Even if not the mainstream opinion, some archeologists seem linking the metallurgic aspect to Iran sphere, ta least partly !?! - The cultural, artefacts aspects links it to diverse cultures or rather could show it expanded among diverse ethnies and precedent cultural horizons. The S.T. horizon had inputs on IE's and Finno-Ugric's if I don't mistake and the paternal markers, Y-N1 a sa whole is rather Uralic and northern. I know very little but the story of this materal (and religious?) culture diffusion is rather complicated.
besides,There is no haplogroup R with TMRCA beyond 2000 years locally spread in core part of China,If you take a chinese R,(with 1%)they are all Hui muslims,2000 years ago was date of Han dynasty,so not even bronze age anymore,No relation,Ordos culture nomads outside border,eventually got killed by Qin
 
Johen's “made up history” has come to an end,it seems,He doesnt have any ancient DNA or autosomal,just post bunch of artifacts around the world and say they are all linked,to me,all ancient artifacts look the same,same vibes.There is no R with more TMRCA beyond 2000 years and not from persian Muslim Hui people assimilated into,If there are ,We would know and study their migration path,But we havent been doing that,Because all of them are just come from Hui muslims and very late
 
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