H95a - Alpine Italian marker ?

[h=2]Susanna Erkintytär Liedes
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[/h] Finnish: Liedes, Swedish: Susanna Eriksdotter
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[TD] March 20, 1785
Liedes, Halsua, Finland [/TD]
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[TD] March 22, 1858 (73)
Liedes, Halsua, Finland [/TD]
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[TD] Daughter of Erkki Matinpoika Liedes and Kaarina Juhontytär Löija



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[TH]DNA Markers:[/TH]
[TD] H95a

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torzio said:
Further drilling down ( easy because Women do not take the husband surname in Marriage ) ....found Zordan mother wassurname Carlassare from Cogollo del Cengio , Vicenza Province.......her mother was a Panozzo from Tresche Conca ( now known as Roana ) , this Panozzo was Teresa Panozzo born 1820 who married Francesco Lello.......
Lello matches me also in my ydna matches

The Lello family in USA seem to be un-contactable as this is where Lello link me to
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further down the rabbit hole

The Italian Tyrolese /Swede match is via surname Holler, through Gruber ..............this line went through to the Panz family of 1775 from Liebenau, Austria


The Kournay line ( another mtdna match with H95a via the Dimpfl family) is attached with this Panz line via Nosek family, the earlier line is Grecheler and earlier than this is the Schaeffer line from Klosterneuburg, Austria


So, it seems my south Tyrol via the Swede and the Austria line via Dimpfl seem to be linked
 
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I wonder if the Panozzo of the tyrolese-italian line is linked with the Panz line ????????????????
 
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just received another H95a match with myself ..............a swedish site .....all in swedish

using google translate ......the H95a looks like it comes from Denmark

Mathilda Persson Hagen b.1855

had daughter
Anna Sophie Margaretha Petersen (født Hagen)
23. jan. 1898
Sverige



Hagen line?

was Hegen

and in 1814 was Hegg
 
it looks like mtdna H95 has split and its origin is Sweden




YF97110 = Denmark/Sweden

YF65228 = Sweden/Finland

JQ703248 = Sweden

MF497497 = Finland

HQ593807 = Italy ....Belluno Veneto

JX153025 = Italy .....Pavia Lombardy
 
more H95a .............Austrian sample is from Carinthia in Austria


her austrian flag does not match her Myhertiage family tree
 
torzio said:
more H95a .............Austrian sample is from Carinthia in Austria

her austrian flag does not match her Myhertiage family tree
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The Austrian flag seems to be linked to a surname Persson .........
the only line previous to this Persson is with a Marke surname from Niederösterreich, Österreich ....................who married a Gruber from the same place
Interesting is I have another H95a match with a Swede who ancestors pre 1919 was in Bolzano ( south Tyrol ) their maiden surname was Holler and before this Gruber
 
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torzio said:
it looks like mtdna H95 has split and its origin is Sweden

YF97110 = Denmark/Sweden
YF65228 = Sweden/Finland
JQ703248 = Sweden
MF497497 = Finland
HQ593807 = Italy ....Belluno Veneto
JX153025 = Italy .....Pavia Lombardy
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correction on my part ........YF97110 is not from Sweden or Denmark, but is a Nebula tested Austrian women who lives in Italy.

Interesting how Yfull accept Nebula tested samples and Ftdna does not
 
kit # 395959 Madalena CANDERAN, b.1805 Italy PN Italy H95a

Maddalena CANDERAN
Born in 1805
Deceased 11 July 1877 - Tramonti di Sopra, Frioul Venetie Julienne, ITALIE, aged 71 years old


Her mother is Cecilia Canderan and father Antonio Canderan...........madalena married Giovanni Cassan , his father was Domenico Cassan and mother Domenica Canderan......
 
Found 2 lines for Cecilia Canderan from post # 49 ...............so more checks need to be done

either

Beatrice Zatti .............circa 1740


or


Barbara Vallar ..............circa 1750
 
Another H95a match .........
Surname Zech ..........initial J
could be from ..............Zecchin e decisamente veneto, Zecchini è tipico della zona che comprende Emilia e Romagna, o basso Veneto e Lombardia,
This match is in Swabia Germany and also into Alsace France

or maybe from

Buja, Udine, Italy
Period : 1601 - 1716
NOTE Questo indice fu fatto dalle fotografie dei registri parrocchiali di Buia (Battesimi) .
 
torzio said:
Another H95a match .........
Surname Zech ..........initial J
could be from ..............Zecchin e decisamente veneto, Zecchini è tipico della zona che comprende Emilia e Romagna, o basso Veneto e Lombardia,
This match is in Swabia Germany and also into Alsace France

or maybe from

Buja, Udine, Italy
Period : 1601 - 1716
NOTE Questo indice fu fatto dalle fotografie dei registri parrocchiali di Buia (Battesimi) .
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Date 03/11/1641
Last Name ZECH
First Name Domenica
Father's First Name Daniele
Mother's Last Name Appolonia

seems like a different branch
 
torzio said:
kit # 395959 Madalena CANDERAN, b.1805 Italy PN Italy H95a

Maddalena CANDERAN
Born in 1805
Deceased 11 July 1877 - Tramonti di Sopra, Frioul Venetie Julienne, ITALIE, aged 71 years old


Her mother is Cecilia Canderan and father Antonio Canderan...........madalena married Giovanni Cassan , his father was Domenico Cassan and mother Domenica Canderan......
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torzio said:
kit # 395959 Madalena CANDERAN, b.1805 Italy PN Italy H95a
Maddalena CANDERAN
Born in 1805
Deceased 11 July 1877 - Tramonti di Sopra, Frioul Venetie Julienne, ITALIE, aged 71 years old
Her mother is Cecilia Canderan and father Antonio Canderan...........madalena married Giovanni Cassan , his father was Domenico Cassan and mother Domenica Canderan......
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There is another Maddalena born same year.

Correct via BDM , records for the H95a Maddalena ia....father, Natale Canderan and mother is Lucia Zatti .........................Luci father is Pietro and married 2 women in his life ( so unsure on Lucia birth day ) a Del Zotto and a Biason.

also, this Madalena married Giobatta Canderan.

Madalena had 2 children..............Albino and Elena Maddalena
 
new Yfull split

 
torzio said:
There is another Maddalena born same year.
Correct via BDM , records for the H95a Maddalena ia....father, Natale Canderan and mother is Lucia Zatti .........................Luci father is Pietro and married 2 women in his life ( so unsure on Lucia birth day ) a Del Zotto and a Biason.
also, this Madalena married Giobatta Canderan.
Madalena had 2 children..............Albino and Elena Maddalena
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Finally found the BDM .............major annoyance

father was Natale.................mother Lucia Diotto 1790-1883 ..............mother of Lucia was Anna Codini b. 1775 from Codroipo, Udine, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italia

Lucia also had a son , Alvise ( luigi ) b. 1807
 
2 more North-Italian H95a ................strange that they match Canderan as exact matches.......but do not appear for me .....(what is ftdna doing ?)


De Zardo line is from a woman
surname Fioretta Giacomelli from Calaizo di cadore, Belluno, veneto, Italy b.1870


and

Mathilda De Cecco b. 1903-1930 USA
Carina ( correct is Carolina ) Stellon 1883-1972 Fanna, Pordenone, Friuli, Italy
her mother Matilde Stellon 1854-1887 Fanna, Pordenone, Friuli, Italy
her mother Margheita De ( Di )Cecco 1817- ? Fanna, Pordenone, Friuli, Italy
to her mother Elisabetta Zambon circa 1780 - ? Fanna, Pordenone, Friuli, Italy
 
torzio said:
Finally found the BDM .............major annoyance
father was Natale.................mother Lucia Diotto 1790-1883 ..............mother of Lucia was Anna Codini b. 1775 from Codroipo, Udine, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italia

Lucia also had a son , Alvise ( luigi ) b. 1807
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Correct surname is Deotto

https://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cognomi-italiani/DEOTTO



Lucia had another son named Luigi b. 1805-1811


strange ......had a Luigi 1805 and a Alvise 1807 ......................Alvise is the Venetian form of Luigi .....................
 
Another H95a
from

Verzegnis, Tolmezzo, Friuli, Italy

Lucina Zanutel b. 1755


All these H95a Alpine Italians are either Friuliani or Trentini
 
Feels like this mtDna H95 and H95a ..............is an ancient Rhaetic marker ...........part of Rhaeto-Romance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Questione_Ladina
While the areas that now speak Friulian were originally inhabited by speakers of Venetic (likely Italic) and Celtic languages, the areas of Northeastern Italy that now speak Ladin initially spoke a non-Indo-European language called Raetic. Ladin and Romansh originate from the Vulgar Latin spoken by Roman soldiers during the conquests of Raetia.
How do the Swedes and west Finns have it ??? ...............Scania, Gotland etc ?
 
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