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I've been running new kits (DNA), I got my hands on recently, through HarappaWorld admixture and started to notice some patterns. (Maybe real ones. ;)
After quick calculations I found fairly good match for ancestral source of Unetice Culture. Have a look:

I mixed Hungarian Late Neolithic Farmer with also Late Neolithic Yamnaya. Actually, the Yamnaya guy was an outlier found in Yamnaya, genetically looking much different than typical Yamnayan. To me he looks more like pure or almost pure hunter-gatherer, and probably will match recently found hunter gatherers of Latvia and Ukraine. It hard to be sure though, as they don't have kits in GedMatch yet. If this Yamnaya outlier have some farmer admixed in it, it would have been from EEF source. His closest match, from existing GedMatch kits, is Estonian CW, who had some EEF.

In short, Unetice people, could be composed from Late Neolithic "Hungarian" Farmer and Outlier Hunter Gatherer from Samara, but most likely originally from Ukraine/West Yamnaya. (Just being on "vacation" in Samara/East Yamnaya).

First two columns contain Samara outlier and Hungarian farmer runs. Third column, in bold, is for supposed mixed offspring of these two, in proportions of 80% of Samara Outlier and 20% NE7 Farmer. Fourth column shows real Unetice guy genome. It is damn close I must say!


M630274 I0432F999928NE7, I-L1228Mix of R1a h-g with LN FarmerM453254 RISE154
Samara Poltavka outlier R1a-M417>Z932925-2536 BCHungary, Apc-Berekalja I6.4kyaUnetice EBA Poland [1925-1765 BC] K1a4a1 -
Run time7.79Run time6.72Run timeRun Time4.06
S-Indian0S-Indian0S-Indian -S-Indian-
Baloch14.7Baloch0Baloch 11.76Baloch14.46
Caucasian0Caucasian19.04Caucasian 3.81Caucasian4.05
NE-Euro63.14NE-Euro16.69NE-Euro 53.85NE-Euro53.71
SE-Asian0SE-Asian0SE-Asian -SE-Asian-
Siberian0Siberian0Siberian -Siberian-
NE-Asian0NE-Asian0NE-Asian -NE-Asian-
Papuan0Papuan0Papuan -Papuan-
American0American0American -American0.96
Beringian0Beringian0Beringian -Beringian-
Mediterranean22.15Mediterranean56.18Mediterranean 28.96Mediterranean26.58
SW-Asian0SW-Asian7.96SW-Asian 1.59SW-Asian-
San0San0San -San-
E-African0E-African0E-African -E-African0.2
Pygmy0Pygmy0Pygmy -Pygmy-
W-African0W-African0.11W-African 0.02W-African-
 
Similarities of Samara Outlier to Estonia CW. In third column is typical Yamnayan and in 4th typical hunter gatherer from Samara, the EHG.

M913021Rise00M630274 I0432M655536i0237M218547I0124
Estonia CW, 4 kyaSamara Poltavka outlier R1a-M417>Z932925-2536 BCYamnayaSamara HG7.6 kya
Run Time8.05Run time7.79Run time10.43Run time5.57
S-Indian0S-Indian0S-Indian- S-Indian-
Baloch14.27Baloch14.7Baloch30.11Baloch14.33
Caucasian0Caucasian0Caucasian5.75Caucasian-
NE-Euro59.09NE-Euro63.14NE-Euro58.99NE-Euro75.62
SE-Asian0SE-Asian0SE-Asian- SE-Asian-
Siberian0.8Siberian0Siberian- Siberian-
NE-Asian0NE-Asian0NE-Asian- NE-Asian-
Papuan0Papuan0Papuan- Papuan-
American0American0American3.58American9.62
Beringian0Beringian0Beringian1.46Beringian0.15
Mediterranean25.26Mediterranean22.15Mediterranean- Mediterranean-
SW-Asian0SW-Asian0SW-Asian- SW-Asian-
San0San0San- San-
E-African0E-African0E-African- E-African-
Pygmy0Pygmy0Pygmy- Pygmy-
W-African0.5W-African0W-African0.11W-African0.2

The difference between Samara Outlier and Estonia CW is lower NE Euro and higher Mediterranean in CW, denoting more admixture with European Farmer EEF, and very low EEF in SO or complete lack of it. Making it pure (or almost) hunter gatherer.

The difference between SO and Yamnaya/Samara HG is that SO has lots of Med admixture making it very WHG without much of EHG mix. It also lacks completely American and Beringian admixtures, a signature of anyone coming from Yamnaya and Steppe.

I think SO will be very close in admixture composition and genetics to newly discovered Latvia HG and Ukrainian HG. I just wonder if they also will have Baloch? True WHG didn't have Baloch. It might be 4th distinct hunter-gatherer of Europe, with company of WHG, SHG and EHG.
 
Here are more similar Unetice samples, and also not too far off few others.

Mix of R1a h-g with LN FarmerM453254 RISE154F999948Rise150M425717 I0116M232268BAF999956Rise94M107790I0118
Unetice EBA Poland [1925-1765 BC] K1a4a1 -Poland, slask 3.75kyaUneticeIrelandBA Rathlin1 BA Sweden, Vibi4kyaGermany LN
Run time Run Time4.06Run time8.44Run time6.22Run time16.74Run Time5.95Run time11.67
S-Indian - S-Indian- S-Indian- S-Indian- S-Indian0.97S-Indian- S-Indian1.28
Baloch 11.76Baloch14.46Baloch14.65Baloch12.21Baloch12.89Baloch16.53Baloch11.84
Caucasian 3.81Caucasian4.05Caucasian2.73Caucasian2.27Caucasian2.14Caucasian4.23Caucasian6.75
NE-Euro 53.85NE-Euro53.71NE-Euro53.54NE-Euro58.33NE-Euro52.72NE-Euro54.16NE-Euro49.39
SE-Asian - SE-Asian- SE-Asian- SE-Asian- SE-Asian- SE-Asian- SE-Asian-
Siberian - Siberian- Siberian- Siberian- Siberian0.96Siberian- Siberian-
NE-Asian - NE-Asian- NE-Asian- NE-Asian- NE-Asian- NE-Asian- NE-Asian-
Papuan - Papuan- Papuan0.48Papuan- Papuan- Papuan- Papuan-
American - American0.96American0.22American0.88American1.14American- American-
Beringian - Beringian- Beringian0.49Beringian- Beringian- Beringian- Beringian-
Mediterranean 28.96Mediterranean26.58Mediterranean27.12Mediterranean26.25Mediterranean26.58Mediterranean24.72Mediterranean30.33
SW-Asian 1.59SW-Asian- SW-Asian- SW-Asian- SW-Asian- SW-Asian- SW-Asian-
San - San- San- San- San- San- San-
E-African - E-African0.2E-African0.34E-African- E-African- E-African- E-African-
Pygmy - Pygmy- Pygmy- Pygmy0.07Pygmy0.13Pygmy- Pygmy-
W-African 0.02W-African- W-African0.42W-African- W-African2.45W-African0.37W-African0.37
 
To be more precise, I think the Samara Outlier, the new hunter gatherer, will be more like Ukrainian and Latvian MN2 and keeping similar place on PCA chart. The Latvian HG were very like typical WHG, and probably will show no Baloch admixture at all.
Can't wait till we have these in GedMatch.

I'm sure the new Ukrainian like HG/Samara Outlier, if it turns to be true ancestor of CW/Unetice people, will still confirm (not negate) Yamanaya/Steppe ancestry in CW and Unetice, as it is quite related to East Yamanyans and Samara HGs.
Also being mostly WHG it might be the best fit for the surge in WHG in Bronze age and post Bronze age European societies.
 
why did you make the 80/20 mix?
I started from 50/50 and played with percentages till I got a good match at 80/20. I also tried different hunter gatherers with farmer mix. We'll see when we have genomes of Ukrainian HG and Cucuteni or Polish Farmer if they are even better matches than what I used.
 
I started from 50/50 and played with percentages till I got a good match at 80/20. I also tried different hunter gatherers with farmer mix. We'll see when we have genomes of Ukrainian HG and Cucuteni or Polish Farmer if they are even better matches than what I used.

we don't have DNA from late western Yamna yet
they may be a better match
it is obvious that you have to mix with some European neolithic farmer as they were the local population before people from the steppe arrived

the R1a newcomer isn't he similar to Potapovka and Sintashta DNA ?

and isn't Vucedol, Vatya, Gata/Wieslburg, Maros and maybe even Urnfield similar to Unetice ?
 
we don't have DNA from late western Yamna yet
they may be a better match
it is obvious that you have to mix with some European neolithic farmer as they were the local population before people from the steppe arrived

the R1a newcomer isn't he similar to Potapovka and Sintashta DNA ?
Yes, pretty much genetically very related and all R1a Z93. They had ancestry in the same tribe.

M630274 I0432, R1a Z93M370663 I0419, R1a Z93M690970Rise386, Z93M217196 I0430, R1a Z93
Samara Poltavka outlier2925-2536 BCSamara, Potapovka2200-1900 BCSintashta4kyaSrubna3.5kya
Run time7.79Run time5.76Run time3.81Run time8.02
S-Indian- S-Indian- S-Indian- S-Indian-
Baloch14.7Baloch22.13Baloch18.5Baloch19.86
Caucasian- Caucasian0.82Caucasian2.01Caucasian2.35
NE-Euro63.14NE-Euro52.93NE-Euro57.8NE-Euro55.13
SE-Asian- SE-Asian- SE-Asian- SE-Asian-
Siberian- Siberian- Siberian- Siberian-
NE-Asian- NE-Asian- NE-Asian- NE-Asian-
Papuan- Papuan- Papuan- Papuan-
American- American0.09American- American0.91
Beringian- Beringian- Beringian0.56Beringian-
Mediterranean22.15Mediterranean23.77Mediterranean19.92Mediterranean21.67
SW-Asian- SW-Asian- SW-Asian- SW-Asian-
San- San- San- San-
E-African- E-African- E-African- E-African0.07
Pygmy- Pygmy- Pygmy- Pygmy-
W-African- W-African0.27W-African1.2W-African-


and isn't Vucedol, Vatya, Gata/Wieslburg, Maros and maybe even Urnfield similar to Unetice ?
I don't have anyone marked "Vucedol, Vatya, Gata/Wieslburg". Do you have their Rise or I numbers or gedmatch kit number?
Maros from Hungary is more like Bronze Age Hungarians than CW/Unetice

F999933BR2, J-M67M681225BR1M631469 RISE349M974598 RISE374 and 373
Hungary, Ludas-Varjú-dűlő,3.3kyaEBA Hungary Hungary MBA [2034-1748 BC] T2b3 -Maros Hungary [1866-1619 BC] T2 G2a-P287>P15>PF3178
Run time15.13Run time10.55Run time3.16Run time5.26
S-Indian- S-Indian- S-Indian- S-Indian-
Baloch3.15Baloch- Baloch5.64Baloch-
Caucasian14.73Caucasian5.45Caucasian13.81Caucasian18.58
NE-Euro46.18NE-Euro56.15NE-Euro38.22NE-Euro39.65
SE-Asian0.2SE-Asian0.49SE-Asian- SE-Asian-
Siberian- Siberian- Siberian- Siberian-
NE-Asian- NE-Asian- NE-Asian- NE-Asian-
Papuan0.18Papuan- Papuan- Papuan-
American- American- American- American-
Beringian- Beringian- Beringian- Beringian-
Mediterranean31.73Mediterranean34.48Mediterranean34.63Mediterranean40.09
SW-Asian3.33SW-Asian3.1SW-Asian3.94SW-Asian0.98
San- San- San- San0.17
E-African- E-African- E-African- E-African-
Pygmy- Pygmy- Pygmy- Pygmy0.15
W-African0.48W-African0.3W-African3.75W-African0.39
 

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