Genetic discontinuity in a Medieval Sicilian community (Abstract)

[Anfänger]

 

[Vitruvius]

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I'd very much like to see this study.

 

[Jovialis]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1792201776357339392

Samples are out.

@Salento @Duarte

Would you guys be able to process these? If not I will get around to it in my spare time this week.

 

[Vitruvius]

The Islamic population was enslaved and sold into the North African slave markets by the reign of Frederick II. It's no surprise, but whatever Arabic and North African populations would've been living in Sicily prior to that point would've been deported in this fashion. We all know that modern Sicilians show direct continuity with the much earlier Imperial Roman populations anyways, so this should come as expected.

 

[Jovialis]

The Islamic population was enslaved and sold into the North African slave markets by the reign Frederick II. It's no surprise, but whatever Arabic and North African populations would've been living in Sicily prior to that point would've been deported in this fashion. We all know that modern Sicilians show direct continuity with the much earlier Imperial Roman populations anyways, so this is no surprise.

Indeed, many were actually brought to Lucera in Apulia. There was s city of about 70,000. But eventually the city was sacked and essentially ethnically cleansed. Many were sold into slavery, fled across the Adriatic sea, or were put to death.

 

[Salento]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1792201776357339392

Samples are out.

@Salento @Duarte

Would you guys be able to process these? If not I will get around to it in my spare time this week.

Hi Jovialis, the PRJNA1082095 data is not available yet. Once it comes out, we can figure out what it’s made of and go from there.

 

[Vitruvius]

Indeed, many were actually brought to Lucera in Apulia. There was s city of about 70,000. But eventually the city was sacked and essentially ethnically cleansed. Many were sold into slavery, fled across the Adriatic sea, or were put to death.

Yes, and from my recollection they were sacked specifically for the reason that a stronghold of Moorish occupation & Islam was considered intolerable.

 

[Aahmes]

FTDNA has added the Sicilian samples into their tree, interesting is that this is the location of not one, but two of the three E-V13 samples:

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[Riverman]

FTDNA has added the Sicilian samples into their tree, interesting is that this is the location of not one, but two of the three E-V13 samples:

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That's a great catch. 3 samples from Segesta are in one branch and to me this branch looks basicaly steppe and Greek related. I wouldn't wonder if we find it in the Bosporan kingdom/Black Sea Scythians too.

There are additional testers from Sicily and Greece, which kind of screams "Greek" at us IMHO. Even old Greek, with a split between Lybia and Greece 1.200 BC (Sea Peoples era).

Also worth to mention that two Brazilians have a TMRCA in the Roman era! That's rare and points to a wider spread in Portugal potentially. Looking at FTDNA, one branch might be actual Ladino/Sephardic Jewish:

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[lenka]

Hi everyone! The person from Uzbekistan in the tree is my brother, our dad was Tadjik from the city of Bukhara. Bukhara was conquered by the army of Alexander the Great and I think that our paternal ancestor came with him to Central Asia. Also the estimated location of our haplogroup is Greece. The three babies from Segesta have exactly the same subclade as us. Also the age of estimated common ancestor is 420BCE, this is Classical/Hellenistic time. The YTREE from YFull gives us another subclade, but the age didn't change.