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FTDNA Big Y 700

Thanks👍
But from the link you gave
I see it cost 49$ thats not free🤔
Regards
Adam
 
That’s the usual cost that YFull charges for an analysis. If you submit a VCF file for analysis and then want to later submit your Bam file, they will do that analysis for free (or for no additional charge).


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Flann Fina said:
That’s the usual cost that YFull charges for an analysis. If you submit a VCF file for analysis and then want to later submit your Bam file, they will do that analysis for free (or for no additional charge).
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Ok
So do you think i should wait for my finale big y-700 results bam file
Or to upload a vcf file of 111 str markers
That i saw 2 days ago that i now have. ?
Thanks in advance for answeres:cool-v:


P.s
I think i should wait for my final big y-700 results
And then upload the bam file to yfull
 
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Tamakore said:
In 2017 I had a DNA test with 23andMe. My Y haplogroup result was R1b-L21. Since I had already traced my paternal line ancestry back to Ireland in the mid-18th century, that result was not much of a surprise, given the dominance of L21 in Ireland.

I'm considering the Big Y-700 test, but I'm wondering, what extra information would it give me? From my autosomal DNA matches with distant cousins, I'm fairly confident that I have correctly identified my Y DNA ancestor back in the 18th century. He was a Catholic living modestly in a rural parish near Dublin.

Given his location, the Irish Sea Cluster, Z255, seems like my most likely sub-clade of L21. I'm not sure I want to pay for the Big Y-500 just to confirm that, though.

Presumably the Big Y-500 would also identify a deeper sub-clade, but what would that tell me that I couldn't already guess? My Y DNA ancestors probably crossed the English Channel in the third millenium BC when Bell Beakers replaced about 90% of the population of Britain, then crossed the Irish Sea soon after. They have probably lived in Ireland ever since.

I'm mildly interested in knowing my deepest Y sub-clade, but if it's just a string of letters and numbers that has an estimated time of origin and some association with other surnames, then I guess I would have to be interested in that information for it's own sake?
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If you do take the Big Y, you get information like this below. It connects my family with the 3 Rathlin Island samples(Lara M. Cassidy 2015), down to a group of 8 men living today.
Rathlin Samples:
Rathlin1 2026BC - 1885BC M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>S461>L21>DF13>DF21
Rathlin2 2024BC - 1741BC M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>S461>L21>DF13
Rathlin3 1736BC - 1534BC M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>S461>L21

Down to living men:
M269 R1b1a1b - R-M269 is most common in western Europe.
L23 R1b1a1b1
L51 R1b1a1b1a - Arrived in Western Europe with steppe migrations and its main expansion was from the Lower Rhine. Single Grave Culture
P310 R1b1a1b1a1
L151 R1b1a1b1a1a - Corded Ware Culture. Early Corded Ware and Don Yamnaya are basically identical.
P312 R1b1a1b1a1a2 - Match Single Grave Culture from around the Lower Rhine.
S461 R1b1a1b1a1a2c - Insular Celtic
L21 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1
DF13 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a - Rathlin
Z39589 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1
DF49 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1a
S6154 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1a1
S476 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1a1a
DF23 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1a1a1
Z2961 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1a1a1a
M222 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1a1a1a1 - The Féini and Ulaidh and Gáilióin, i.e., the Laighin.
FGC4077 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1a1a1a1b
A725 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1a1a1a1b1
S676 A group of 8 living men,
S679 A group of 5 of the 8 living men above.

The notes are mostly from the Eurogenes Blog.
 
kingjohn said:
Ok
So do you think i should wait for my finale big y-700 results bam file
Or to upload a vcf file of 111 str markers
That i saw 2 days ago that i now have. ?
Thanks in advance for answeres:cool-v:
P.s
I think i should wait for my final big y-700 results
And then upload the bam file to yfull
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Yes, you’ll need to wait until your final Y700 results come in from FTDNA because the VCF that YFull accepts for analysis is the Y700 VCF file. If you plan on purchasing your Bam file from FTDNA for the $99 fee, than you can forget about the Y700 VCF file. For those who don’t want to pay for their Bam File, the Y700 VCF is an option because you can still get that for free from FTDNA and submit it to YFull instead of the Bam file.

The STR VCF file is a different file that can also be uploaded to YFull for free, if you already have an account there, but it doesn’t include all of the SNP information you need. That’s in the completed Y700 VCF file.

Again, if you are planning on purchasing the Bam file from FTDNA, none of the above applies to you. In that case, just upload your Bam file to YFull once it’s ready at FTDNA
 
Thanks for informative answere👍
So this thing is expensive :
370$ big y-700 + 99$ for the bam file from ftdna+ 49$ for yfull upload of the bam file😲

P.s
I wish ftdna would have lowered there prices
 
kingjohn said:
Thanks for informative answere������
So this thing is expensive :
370$ big y-700 + 99$ for the bam file from ftdna+ 49$ for yfull upload of the bam file������
P.s
I wish ftdna would have lowered there prices
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I agree! Personally, I think the $99 fee for a Bam file is punitive and really should be lowered. I actually think it should never have been imposed but who cares what I think. On the bright side, the Y700 VCF file is pretty robust and from what I’ve heard is far better that the old Y500 VCF file. Which is why I say, it may pay for some to consider uploading the Y700 VCF file to YFull - which you can still get for free from FTDNA - and see how your results turnout. Some of my surname matches have done that and there’s no noticeable difference. Plus, if you ever change your mind and decide to pay the Bam file fee, YFull will still do the analysis for no extra charge.
 
Flann Fina said:
I agree! Personally, I think the $99 fee for a Bam file is punitive and really should be lowered. I actually think it should never have been imposed but who cares what I think. On the bright side, the Y700 VCF file is pretty robust and from what I’ve heard is far better that the old Y500 VCF file. Which is why I say, it may pay for some to consider uploading the Y700 VCF file to YFull - which you can still get for free from FTDNA - and see how your results turnout. Some of my surname matches have done that and there’s no noticeable difference. Plus, if you ever change your mind and decide to pay the Bam file fee, YFull will still do the analysis for no extra charge.
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one thing for sure
you need patience of iron :laughing:
i am in the 11th week and still no results yet ...... :sad-2:

p.s
i did get the upgrade from 12 marker to 111 str marker ....
thats giving me some way to predict that i am e-y60961 based on those 111 str markers
but i want to see the the real deal snp's of the big y result to confirm it :thinking:
 
kingjohn said:
one thing for sure
you need patience of iron :laughing:
i am in the 11th week and still no results yet ...... :sad-2:

p.s
i did get the upgrade from 12 marker to 111 str marker ....
thats giving me some way to predict that i am e-y60961 based on those 111 str markers
but i want to see the the real deal snp's of the big y result to confirm it :thinking:
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Yes, it’s needed much patience. Below, my historical on BigY-700:

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[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Y-DNA67[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Ordered[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]07/16/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]992[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: mat-row ng-star-inserted"]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Y-DNA67[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Batched[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/12/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]992[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: mat-row ng-star-inserted, bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Y-DNA67[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Completed[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/20/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]992[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
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[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Big Y Raw Data[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Ordered[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/14/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]993[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: mat-row ng-star-inserted, bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Big Y Raw Data[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Completed[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/14/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]993[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: mat-row ng-star-inserted"]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Big Y Raw Data[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Batched[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/14/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]993[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
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[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Big Y-700[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Ordered[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/14/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]993[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
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[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Big Y-700[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Batched[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/14/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]993[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
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[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Big Y-700[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Completed[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]10/26/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]993[/TD]
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Duarte said:
Yes, it’s needed much patience. Below, my historical on BigY-700:

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[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Y-DNA67[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Ordered[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]07/16/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]992[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: mat-row ng-star-inserted"]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Y-DNA67[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Batched[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/12/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]992[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: mat-row ng-star-inserted, bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Y-DNA67[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Completed[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/20/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]992[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: mat-row ng-star-inserted"]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Big Y Raw Data[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Ordered[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/14/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]993[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: mat-row ng-star-inserted, bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Big Y Raw Data[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Completed[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/14/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]993[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: mat-row ng-star-inserted"]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Big Y Raw Data[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Batched[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/14/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]993[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: mat-row ng-star-inserted, bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Big Y-700[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Ordered[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/14/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]993[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: mat-row ng-star-inserted"]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Big Y-700[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Batched[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]08/14/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]993[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-payNow mat-column-payNow"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: mat-row ng-star-inserted, bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-productName mat-column-productName"]Big Y-700[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-status mat-column-status"]Completed[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-date mat-column-date"]10/26/2019[/TD]
[TD="class: mat-cell cdk-column-batchNum mat-column-batchNum"]993[/TD]
[/TR]
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wow
that is 2 1/2 months :rolleyes2:

p.s
they write that my results are expected between 15/2- 1/3
i hope to get them before ...:thinking:
 
In principle, it is possible to obtain the data for the determination of the haplogroup from the .BAM or .VCF files generated by a laboratory that does the whole genomic sequencing. Yfull accepts the upload of data from the following laboratories for the determination of the haplogroup y further downstream:

NextGen Seq raw data file type

.BAM/.CRAM
.VCF

Testing company

FTDNA Big Y
Full Genomes Inc
YSEQ
Enlighten
Veritas Genetics
BGI
Novogene
23mofang
Dante Labs
WeGene
Yoogene
Nebula Genomics
 
kingjohn said:
one thing for sure
you need patience of iron :laughing:
i am in the 11th week and still no results yet ...... :sad-2:

p.s
i did get the upgrade from 12 marker to 111 str marker ....
thats giving me some way to predict that i am e-y60961 based on those 111 str markers
but i want to see the the real deal snp's of the big y result to confirm it :thinking:
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While I can’t say this for sure, from past experience that’s an indicator that your full results should be coming along fairly soon. Hopefully!

Good luck!
 
Flann Fina said:
While I can’t say this for sure, from past experience that’s an indicator that your full results should be coming along fairly soon. Hopefully!
Good luck!
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I hope so
Thanks for kind words:smile:

P.s
Honestly i think that for such a high price
of 370$ i paid for the big y-700
i think ftdna should do an effort to reduce the long long waiting time for results....
...... :thinking:
 
FTDNA is well known to be slow, and late with results. I don't consider testing 111 STRs of much value, as few men opt for that, so you cannot compare. The thing with STRs that I found valuable is STRs with unusual values, I have one which is 8 when the usual is 14 - 15, and those men who match me on that STR have the same surname as mine, given one is the Italian version from Calabria, but he is the closest to me than even the Maltese ones.
 
kingjohn said:
I hope so
Thanks for kind words:smile:

P.s
Honestly i think that for such a high price
of 370$ i paid for the big y-700
i think ftdna should do an effort to reduce the long long waiting time for results....
...... :thinking:
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When did you get your results? Their website is saying 12-14 weeks these days.
 
mwauthy said:
When did you get your results? Their website is saying 12-14 weeks these days.
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I got results like the dates they say
they(ftdna) are ok,
not going to lie i would have been happy if the process was faster 🤔

P.s
It still ther best spot much more than my origins
In y haplogroup and mtdna they are good :good_job:
 
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