My friend recently did a DNA test with Family Tree DNA and his ancientOrigins results came back with him being 50% Hunter Gatherer, 39% Neolithic Farmer, and 11% Eastern Steppe Herder. This was surprising to me because I was under the impression that the percentage of European hunter gatherer DNA in modern Europeans was miniscule. I couldn't find any up-to-date information about this topic online. Does anyone have any information about the average percentages of hunter gatherer DNA in modern Europeans?
Average Percentages of WHG, ENF, and ESH Ancestry in Modern Europeans
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I got a similar result from the Family DNA website. They never expalined to me what parts of Europe the WHG came from. I later found out that many WHG represented by the YDNA signature I-M253 survived in the northern part of the Continent. So maybe you have a lot of autosomodial DNA from that area.
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Those numbers sound similar to what Estonians, Lithuanians, and Latvians get.
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Nope,depending on his/her nationality he/she may have larger WHG admixture
I would expect more Western Steppe Herder (Yamnaya) ancestry, if that were the case.
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Swedes/Nords seem to have the highest surviving WHG component.
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: German
Distance: 3.8176% / 0.03817627[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]46.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Yamnaya_RUS_Samara[/TD]
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[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]40.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N[/TD]
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[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]13.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]WHG[/TD]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Greek_Messenia
Distance: 3.0293% / 0.03029313[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]62.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N[/TD]
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[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]38.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Yamnaya_RUS_Samara[/TD]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Italian_Northeast
Distance: 2.4410% / 0.02441022[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]54.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N[/TD]
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[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]38.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Yamnaya_RUS_Samara[/TD]
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[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]7.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]WHG[/TD]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Swedish
Distance: 4.5887% / 0.04588700[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]51.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Yamnaya_RUS_Samara[/TD]
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[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]32.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N[/TD]
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[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]16.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]WHG[/TD]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Sardinian
Distance: 3.3761% / 0.03376101[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]82.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N[/TD]
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[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]13.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]WHG[/TD]
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[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]5.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Yamnaya_RUS_Samara[/TD]
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Balts and Slavs have the highest amount of WHG by far -
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51% Hunter-Gatherer, 39% Farmer, and 10% Metal Age Invader. 0% Non-European.
47% England/Wales/Scotland, 21% Scandinavian, 20% Central Europe. 13% Ireland. So, basically 80% Northern Europe, 20% Central Europe.
My Y-DNA lineage (I2a1b1/M223..M284..L126..Y4751) was pre-Celtic, pre-Bell Beaker, British Isles Neolithic (New Grange), European Paleolithic.
47% England/Wales/Scotland, 21% Scandinavian, 20% Central Europe. 13% Ireland. So, basically 80% Northern Europe, 20% Central Europe.
My Y-DNA lineage (I2a1b1/M223..M284..L126..Y4751) was pre-Celtic, pre-Bell Beaker, British Isles Neolithic (New Grange), European Paleolithic.
The use of Nganasans as proxies for Uralic admixture is very problematic. This seems to be based on the premise that (proto-)Uralics lacked steppe admixture and the origin of haplogroup N in Eastern Siberia/Asia. Early Uralics emerged from a Western Siberian HG population and were rich in ANE ancestry. They must have had significant steppe ancestry as well before they came to Europe. So, Nganasans may not be the best proxy for this Siberian admixture among Europeans. I know it is precisely because they lack steppe ancestry that it is assumed that they are the best representatives of early Uralics but good luck tracing any WHG or steppe ancestry among those central African populations where the majority of men carry R1b-V88.
Those charts showing Europeans as exclusively of WHG/EEF/WSH stock were always meant as a simplified overview of their overall genetic make-up. This later CHG-component has never been ignored and I believe it is especially noticable among Italians and Greeks? The Uralic component isn't disputable either, just what it actually is and how large. This graphic of yours sets it too high in my opinion. If you assume that this Uralic/Siberian-like admixture was brought by the Norse people, why would it be higher among the Scots or the French than among the English?
Those charts showing Europeans as exclusively of WHG/EEF/WSH stock were always meant as a simplified overview of their overall genetic make-up. This later CHG-component has never been ignored and I believe it is especially noticable among Italians and Greeks? The Uralic component isn't disputable either, just what it actually is and how large. This graphic of yours sets it too high in my opinion. If you assume that this Uralic/Siberian-like admixture was brought by the Norse people, why would it be higher among the Scots or the French than among the English?
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This is not "my" graphic though, it is from TC Lamnidis et al. 2018, of which Wolfgang Haak was an author. Thus an expanded upon model from Haak et al. 2015
www.nature.com
Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe - Nature Communications
Populations from North-eastern Europe, in particular those speaking Uralic languages, carry additional ancestry in similarity with modern East Asian populations. Here, the authors analyse ancient genomic data from 11 individuals from Finland and Northwest Russia, and identify genomic signals of...
www.nature.com
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It is an expanded upon model from this, by the same author.
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CHG is actively ignored by Northern Italian ethno-nationalists on Twitter actually. But the fact remains is that the North can be modeled at around 9%.
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It should he noted that all scientific models are provisional until better models are produced with new findings. One thing is certain though, modern Europeans are more than just three ancestral components.
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Are the Uralic and CHG components the only extra components among modern Europeans, other than EEF, WHG and Steppe?
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Surely there's other extra-minoritarian components, but that is what works broadly.
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Start modelling with neolithic Armenian instead of Georgian hunter gatherers and the percentage of Caucasian ancestry increases a lot. Southern Europeans fits for Caucasian dna are much better with Neolithic Armenia than Georgian hunter gatherers and the same is true for the bronze age Anatolians they received it from. Most Italians realistically have more ancestry from Neolithic Armenia than they do from the Steppe. This will apply even to some northern Italians like those in Emilia Romagna.
It's silly to be actively against having Caucasian or Steppe related ancestry. Italy is clearly a blend of both and both have been major drivers of civilization in historic and prehistoric times.
It's unlikely since it is said that chalcolithic Scandinavians were completely genetically replaced during the Bronze Age
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No, for example in my case I need Iberomaurasian. There are “extra-minoritarian components” as Jovialis mentioned. Including CHG and more.