Autosomal DNA of Pontic Greeks

eupator · Sep 3, 2022

Kari said:
show me how pontic greeks have not like 2-4% turkish dna

GEDMATCH already showed you that your samples are genetically Turkish, but you didn't present the population oracles in your original post, just the component breakdown thinking that we are too stupid to key in the values ourselves for the oracles.

I already linked you 2 real pontic greek component breakdowns, you can also check the average value of "Greek_Pontus" on gedmatch.

This is my final post on this matter, I do not appreciate subterfuge and lying. You have failed to provide any info whatsoever to support your claim, like the ancestral homeland of the samples.

The reason I exposed you is because I don't like lies surrounding pontic greeks, like, for example, that they are genetically East Asian, like your relative.

Your grandfather is probably an Urum, which would explain also the proximal high Baltic. Urums are a non-homogenous group of Christian Turks who also claim the pontic identity, but are different linguistically and ethno-culturally.

Kari · Sep 3, 2022

eupator said:
GEDMATCH already showed you that your samples are genetically Turkish, but you didn't present the population oracles in your original post, just the component breakdown thinking that we are too stupid to key in the values ourselves for the oracles.

I already linked you 2 real pontic greek component breakdowns, you can also check the average value of "Greek_Pontus" on gedmatch.

This is my final post on this matter, I do not appreciate subterfuge and lying. You have failed to provide any info whatsoever to support your claim, like the ancestral homeland of the samples.

The reason I exposed you is because I don't like lies surrounding pontic greeks, like, for example, that they are genetically East Asian, like your relative.

Your grandfather is probably an Urum, which would explain also the proximal high Baltic. Urums are a non-homogenous group of Christian Turks who also claim the pontic identity, but are different linguistically and ethno-culturally.

1)no one of them were my grandfathers results
2)i really dont want to spread lies i am not a propagandist
3)how can i check the average value of Greek_Pontus on gedmatch?

eupator · Sep 3, 2022

Kari said:
how can i check the average value of Greek_Pontus on gedmatch?

This their K13 average:

Greek_Pontus,2.31,1.6,15.84,37.71,36.38,3.88,1.29,0.32,0.22,0.04,0.36,0.01,0.03

You can find the list here, you can run it on vahaduo JS, or w/e.

K13 Vahaduo Modern - Pastebin.com

Kari · Sep 3, 2022

eupator said:
This their K13 average:

You can find the list here, you can run it on vahaduo JS, or w/e.

K13 Vahaduo Modern - Pastebin.com

Where i can find sources for k13?

eupator · Sep 3, 2022

Kari said:
Where i can find sources for k13?

You can go to this website: Vahaduo: Admixture JS 22.05 and use the population list that you want (not just K13 but any) in SOURCE, then put the sample of interest in TARGET, so you can use the *distance* and *oracle* function.

The data you see next to each sample is the percentile of the calculator in the order that is used by the calculator, so for K13 the order would be: North_Atlantic, Baltic, West_Med, West_Asian, East_Med, Red_Sea, South_Asian, East_Asian, Siberian, Amerindian, Oceanian, Northeast_African, Sub-Saharan.

Now that I helped you that much, you can answer where did you find those Turkish samples you posted in the original post and answer the question of why did you do it? Did you think you wouldn't be caught in a lie?

Kari · Sep 3, 2022

eupator said:
You can go to this website: Vahaduo: Admixture JS 22.05 and use the population list that you want (not just K13 but any) in SOURCE, then put the sample of interest in TARGET, so you can use the *distance* and *oracle* function.

The data you see next to each sample is the percentile of the calculator in the order that is used by the calculator, so for K13 the order would be: North_Atlantic, Baltic, West_Med, West_Asian, East_Med, Red_Sea, South_Asian, East_Asian, Siberian, Amerindian, Oceanian, Northeast_African, Sub-Saharan.

Now that I helped you that much, you can answer where did you find those Turkish samples you posted in the original post and answer the question of why did you do it? Did you think you wouldn't be caught in a lie?

i googled pontic greeks gedmatch and i found four.I didnt want to lie about Pontic Greeks.I just couldnt find how to test the East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Greek_Pontus,0.10885079,0.14131895,-0.055297684,-0.063495,-0.024814263,-0.018039737,0.0060606316,-0.0043965789,-0.037255579,-0.001477,0.0035982632,0.005553,-0.012534368,0.0070114211,-0.0096576316,-0.011514368,0.0053525789,-0.0012735263,-0.0016274211,0.0013955263,0.0031457895,0.0022257895,-0.0015567895,-0.0048198947,-0.00064915789 sample to admixture (k12b,k13)terms

Kari · Sep 3, 2022

eupator said:
You can go to this website: Vahaduo: Admixture JS 22.05 and use the population list that you want (not just K13 but any) in SOURCE, then put the sample of interest in TARGET, so you can use the *distance* and *oracle* function.

The data you see next to each sample is the percentile of the calculator in the order that is used by the calculator, so for K13 the order would be: North_Atlantic, Baltic, West_Med, West_Asian, East_Med, Red_Sea, South_Asian, East_Asian, Siberian, Amerindian, Oceanian, Northeast_African, Sub-Saharan.

Now that I helped you that much, you can answer where did you find those Turkish samples you posted in the original post and answer the question of why did you do it? Did you think you wouldn't be caught in a lie?

is there a way to convert K13 to K36?

AnthrogenicaMember · Sep 5, 2022

Kari said:
is there a way to convert K13 to K36?

There's a calculator for converting K36 to G25 based on linear regression. It's good, but not great, and I imagine it'd be similar for K13 to K36.

Akritas · Sep 13, 2022

My results.. Akritas

My paternal Great grandfather came from Kars, with origins in Trapezunta and Argiroupolis.
My maternal Great grandmother and granfather came from Kars, with origins in Trapezunta and Argiroupolis.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Akritas[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ADFF00, align: right"]5.09984313[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Central_Anatolia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7F00, align: right"]11.26966725[/TD]
[TD]Alawite[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6300, align: right"]12.08911494[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Pontus[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4500, align: right"]12.95661221[/TD]
[TD]Cypriot_Turkish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3E00, align: right"]13.18995451[/TD]
[TD]Assyrian_West[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3B00, align: right"]13.27035041[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Muslim[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3900, align: right"]13.32749789[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_Eastcentral[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3700, align: right"]13.37423643[/TD]
[TD]Turkish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2B00, align: right"]13.74535194[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_Southeast[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2900, align: right"]13.79300910[/TD]
[TD]Armenian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2700, align: right"]13.85018050[/TD]
[TD]Assyrian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2700, align: right"]13.85993506[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Islands[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2700, align: right"]13.86116878[/TD]
[TD]Assyrian_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1C00, align: right"]14.17758442[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_Westcentral[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1800, align: right"]14.29659750[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_East[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1600, align: right"]14.36388875[/TD]
[TD]Jew_Caucasus[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0000, align: right"]15.00869748[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_Central-Black_Sea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0002, align: right"]15.07230241[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_East-Black_Sea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0029, align: right"]16.21151134[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0030, align: right"]16.40946983[/TD]
[TD]Mandaean[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0034, align: right"]16.54003023[/TD]
[TD]Turkmen_Iraq[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0036, align: right"]16.59282676[/TD]
[TD]Syrian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0052, align: right"]17.40609376[/TD]
[TD]Iraqi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0056, align: right"]17.54116302[/TD]
[TD]Azerbaijani_Turkey[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF006C, align: right"]18.16507363[/TD]
[TD]Azerbaijani_Azerbaijan

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Akritas
Distance: 2.8447% / 2.84470655

[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]65.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Greek_Pontus[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]11.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Lebanese_Druze[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]10.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Jew_Ashkenazi[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]6.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Sardinian[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Basque_France[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Karitiana[/TD]

Akritas · Sep 13, 2022

What does Greek_Central_Anatolian mean any way? Cappadocian? Underground hittite

Have some slack Im an amateur

Kari · Sep 15, 2022

Akritas said:
What does Greek_Central_Anatolian mean any way? Cappadocian? Underground hittite

Have some slack Im an amateur

its cappadocian.Do you have k12b or k13 results or G25?

Akritas · Sep 15, 2022

K13 results

Kari · Sep 15, 2022

Akritas said:
K13 results

can you show me these results?

Kari · Sep 15, 2022

Akritas said:
My results.. Akritas

My paternal Great grandfather came from Kars, with origins in Trapezunta and Argiroupolis.
My maternal Great grandmother and granfather came from Kars, with origins in Trapezunta and Argiroupolis.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Akritas[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ADFF00, align: right"]5.09984313[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Central_Anatolia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7F00, align: right"]11.26966725[/TD]
[TD]Alawite[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6300, align: right"]12.08911494[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Pontus[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4500, align: right"]12.95661221[/TD]
[TD]Cypriot_Turkish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3E00, align: right"]13.18995451[/TD]
[TD]Assyrian_West[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3B00, align: right"]13.27035041[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Muslim[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3900, align: right"]13.32749789[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_Eastcentral[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3700, align: right"]13.37423643[/TD]
[TD]Turkish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2B00, align: right"]13.74535194[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_Southeast[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2900, align: right"]13.79300910[/TD]
[TD]Armenian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2700, align: right"]13.85018050[/TD]
[TD]Assyrian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2700, align: right"]13.85993506[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Islands[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2700, align: right"]13.86116878[/TD]
[TD]Assyrian_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1C00, align: right"]14.17758442[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_Westcentral[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1800, align: right"]14.29659750[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_East[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1600, align: right"]14.36388875[/TD]
[TD]Jew_Caucasus[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0000, align: right"]15.00869748[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_Central-Black_Sea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0002, align: right"]15.07230241[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_East-Black_Sea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0029, align: right"]16.21151134[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0030, align: right"]16.40946983[/TD]
[TD]Mandaean[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0034, align: right"]16.54003023[/TD]
[TD]Turkmen_Iraq[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0036, align: right"]16.59282676[/TD]
[TD]Syrian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0052, align: right"]17.40609376[/TD]
[TD]Iraqi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0056, align: right"]17.54116302[/TD]
[TD]Azerbaijani_Turkey[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF006C, align: right"]18.16507363[/TD]
[TD]Azerbaijani_Azerbaijan
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Akritas
Distance: 2.8447% / 2.84470655
[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]65.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Greek_Pontus[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]11.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Lebanese_Druze[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]10.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Jew_Ashkenazi[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]6.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Sardinian[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Basque_France[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Karitiana[/TD]

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Akritas
Distance: 2.8447% / 2.84470655
[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]65.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Greek_Pontus[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]11.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Lebanese_Druze[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]10.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Jew_Ashkenazi[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]6.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Sardinian[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Basque_France[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Karitiana[/TD]

How you made these results?

Akritas · Sep 15, 2022

The values??

Akritas · Sep 15, 2022

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Population

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"] [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]North_Atlantic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]9.29 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baltic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.46 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Med[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]19.06 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]28.66 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East_Med[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]36.1 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Red_Sea[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.37 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.27 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.93 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]- [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Amerindian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.77 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Oceanian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.11 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Northeast_African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]- [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Sub-Saharan[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]- [/TD]

[/TD]
[TD="width: 25"] [/TD]

Kari · Sep 15, 2022

Akritas said:
The values??

Yes send here the values of your k13 results

Akritas · Sep 15, 2022

Akritas,9.29,2.46,19.06,28.66,36.10,2.37,0.27,0.93,0,0.77,0.11,0,0

Kari · Sep 15, 2022

Akritas said:
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Population

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"][/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]North_Atlantic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]9.29 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baltic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.46 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Med[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]19.06 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]28.66 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East_Med[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]36.1 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Red_Sea[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.37 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.27 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.93 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Amerindian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.77 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Oceanian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.11 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Northeast_African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Sub-Saharan[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]-[/TD]

[/TD]

I can see that you have a lot of asian ancestry and only 1% turkish.You are more european than a pontic greek.You have higher North_Atlantic than a pontic greek 9,3%-2,3%.So you are a mix of pontic greeks and mainland greeks (like 65% pontic greek-cappadocian and 35% mainland greek)

Kari · Sep 15, 2022

Akritas said:
Akritas,9.29,2.46,19.06,28.66,36.10,2.37,0.27,0.93,0,0.77,0.11,0,0

You can find on google how to make your g25 coordinates.Then i will show you how to use vahaduo.

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