• Don't want to see ads? Install an adblocker like uBlock Origin or use a Europe-based privacy-friendly browser like Vivaldi or Mullvad.

Y dna haplogroup T

TaktikatEMalet said:
Wow thats nice, ardea were basically in rome before rome existed? It makes sense why T isnt rare in italy unlike rest of europe, seems to have a hotspot in and around rome
Click to expand...
there are 3 x T ydna from neolithic central Germany .................another 2 x T in neolithic bulgaria ..............plus a new T neolithic sample found a month or so ago in czech lands
my conclusion ...............T ydna are early ( ancient ) pure hunters..........very early ydna in europe......most probably hunting the red deer in northern Germany
 
… Bronze-Age England Migration, 803 samples (Zero y T).
There are y T Neolithic and Iron-Age samples, but none in the Bronze Age?
… from the Roman paper:

… “The T1a haplogroup, although absent in our samples prior to Iron Age, has previously been found in early farmers in Bulgaria (5,800-5,400 calBCE) and Germany (5,500-4,850 BCE)” …

https://www.science.org/action/down...6/science.aay6826&file=aay6826_antonio_sm.pdf
 
In the T project ( modern ) ..............
after many tests , these below seem unique

there is a tested Y37 ..........who is K-M9 and is a Kurdish Iraqi ....................I wonder why they placed it in the T ydna ............could have also went with R ydna, or N, O, P, M, S, L

there is also a tested Y67 .............T-M184 from East Germany

and last
T-PH110 from Black sea Georgia ..................we now have Germany, Armenia and Bhutan and Georgia
 
Last edited:
Salento said:
… Bronze-Age England Migration, 803 samples (Zero y T).
There are y T Neolithic and Iron-Age samples, but none in the Bronze Age?
… from the Roman paper:
… “The T1a haplogroup, although absent in our samples prior to Iron Age, has previously been found in early farmers in Bulgaria (5,800-5,400 calBCE) and Germany (5,500-4,850 BCE)” …
https://www.science.org/action/down.../science.aay6826&file=a ay6826_antonio_sm.pdf
Click to expand...
This means that most T1a found in england now was likely from roman settlement, though it is still rare

According to torzio T was near Rome prior to Roman empire. So it would have been assimilated and moved with the roman conquests. Does anyone know how common T1a is in spain and portugal?
 
TaktikatEMalet said:
This means that most T1a found in england now was likely from roman settlement, though it is still rare

According to torzio T was near Rome prior to Roman empire. So it would have been assimilated and moved with the roman conquests. Does anyone know how common T1a is in spain and portugal?
Click to expand...

They came via illyrian or alpine ( augustus conquered the alps circa 15BC , the last place in modern italy to become Roman colony ) subjects


Italy has about 4% ...similar with Spain, Portugal, Germany, Austria, France and Belgium

check this site out for T ydna ..............I have not checked for more than a year...not sure if maciano updated T ydna
 
@Torzio …maybe you’re confusing threads, the Ardea sample is 100s of years older than Augustus, … maybe R850 went to school with Romulus' kids :)
 
TaktikatEMalet said:
This means that most T1a found in england now was likely from roman settlement, though it is still rare
According to torzio T was near Rome prior to Roman empire. So it would have been assimilated and moved with the roman conquests. Does anyone know how common T1a is in spain and portugal?
Click to expand...
They didn't find BA T samples, but it doesn't mean they weren't there.
Surely more y T were brought to England by Rome and then by the Vikings (VK398 Sweden, Skara).

Out of 1000s of Ancient samples, only about forty plus are y T, … they’re rare and not easily found, …though we have Neolithics and Iron-Age y T samples, … I assume they were also present in the Bronze-Age.
 
Salento said:
@Torzio …maybe you’re confusing threads, the Ardea sample is 100s of years older than Augustus, … maybe R850 went to school with Romulus' kids :)
Click to expand...


I keep forgetting about this etruscan from the Rutuli tribe in modern Lazio region :bigsmile:
 
torzio said:
They came via illyrian or alpine ( augustus conquered the alps circa 15BC , the last place in modern italy to become Roman colony ) subjects
Italy has about 4% ...similar with Spain, Portugal, Germany, Austria, France and Belgium
check this site out for T ydna ..............I have not checked for more than a year...not sure if maciano updated T ydna
Click to expand...

Difficult to link t1a with illyrians, the spread doesnt seem to suggest it. Like salento mentioned t1a is linked to latin people, though etruscan may be possible? T1a doesnt seem like an indo european line and most people say etruscans didnt speak a european language
 
TaktikatEMalet said:
Difficult to link t1a with illyrians, the spread doesnt seem to suggest it. Like salento mentioned t1a is linked to latin people, though etruscan may be possible? T1a doesnt seem like an indo european line and most people say etruscans didnt speak a european language
Click to expand...

not indo-european .............then all its brothers are not as well

 
the only ancient T samples so far in YFull

 
I only see 2 x T ydna in the upcoming celtic paper .....so far

T1a1-Z709

T1a1 -Y11151
 
torzio said:
the only ancient T samples so far in YFull

Click to expand...

I asked yfull if they would place the following ancient T

CL23

also

the 2 x Bulgarian Neolitihic samples from Malek

and

Golden man
 
torzio said:
I only see 2 x T ydna in the upcoming celtic paper .....so far
T1a1-Z709
T1a1 -Y11151
Click to expand...


I14837:Result (-33.3% 2 -1 +1): T-Y180921

I13751:Result (-33.3% 2 -1 +1): T-FGC63786
 
torzio said:
I14837:Result (-33.3% 2 -1 +1): T-Y180921
I13751:Result (-33.3% 2 -1 +1): T-FGC63786
Click to expand...

… K12b Coordinates.
… I am not convinced that they are y T
… I didn't get the y results I expected. :)

Code: 
I13751_Dodecad_K12b,12.50,0.00,0.99,0.05,36.65,41.95,0.70,0.13,0.00,0.00,5.73,1.29
I14837_Dodecad_K12b,9.90,0.16,0.76,0.00,39.50,44.35,0.00,0.04,0.27,0.00,4.55,0.48
 
Salento said:
… K12b Coordinates.
… I am not convinced that they are y T
… I didn't get the y results I expected. :)

Code: 
I13751_Dodecad_K12b,12.50,0.00,0.99,0.05,36.65,41.95,0.70,0.13,0.00,0.00,5.73,1.29
I14837_Dodecad_K12b,9.90,0.16,0.76,0.00,39.50,44.35,0.00,0.04,0.27,0.00,4.55,0.48
Click to expand...


Thats whats the paper states .................what makes you think it is not?

top one comes from Hittite old capital area of konya Turkey in origin

second one...is northern Armenian in origin
 
Distance to: Torziok12b
22.29031853 I13751_Dodecad_K12b
24.37320455 I14837_Dodecad_K12b
 
questions from the T project team
I started to order tests for kit 327232 belonging to the Kruger lineage.
The origin of this Kruger lineage is known to be "Germany", but still is not confirmed which German region. Two possible places are west Germany and Danzig. A third possibility is Bessarabian Germans.

The line is an ancient line
 
torzio said:
Thats whats the paper states .................what makes you think it is not?
top one comes from Hittite old capital area of konya Turkey in origin
second one...is northern Armenian in origin
Click to expand...

You saw the paper and I didn’t, … I won’t challenge it, I’ll go with the flow, but I’m skeptical of it !
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top