Genetic study Genomes from 82 Etruscans and Southern Italians.(800 BCE – 1,000 CE).

[Salento]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Jovialis[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6EFF00, align: right"]3.24240651[/TD]
[TD]VEN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #89FF00, align: right"]4.01990050[/TD]
[TD]TAQ003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A2FF00, align: right"]4.75213636[/TD]
[TD]VEN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A8FF00, align: right"]4.93654738[/TD]
[TD]ETR013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AEFF00, align: right"]5.12963936[/TD]
[TD]VEN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B7FF00, align: right"]5.37851281[/TD]
[TD]VEN015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BBFF00, align: right"]5.48651984[/TD]
[TD]VEN016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BDFF00, align: right"]5.55091884[/TD]
[TD]TAQ020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C4FF00, align: right"]5.75717813[/TD]
[TD]VEN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CCFF00, align: right"]6.00671291[/TD]
[TD]VEN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D6FF00, align: right"]6.30009524[/TD]
[TD]TAQ011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DAFF00, align: right"]6.42409527[/TD]
[TD]ETR003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E3FF00, align: right"]6.68628447[/TD]
[TD]TAQ009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E7FF00, align: right"]6.78860810[/TD]
[TD]ETR014[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFFF00, align: right"]7.02363154[/TD]
[TD]VEN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF600, align: right"]7.76436089[/TD]
[TD]TAQ021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFED00, align: right"]8.01757445[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFED00, align: right"]8.03818387[/TD]
[TD]ETR004[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDF00, align: right"]8.44791690[/TD]
[TD]ETR010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDE00, align: right"]8.46739039[/TD]
[TD]VEN012[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDE00, align: right"]8.47912142[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB900, align: right"]9.54584203[/TD]
[TD]VEN022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA800, align: right"]10.07067525[/TD]
[TD]ETR006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9F00, align: right"]10.32986447[/TD]
[TD]ETR012[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]10.74665064[/TD]
[TD]MAS003[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Thanks Jovialis

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]S_Dod_GlK13[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #66FF00, align: right"]3.00059994[/TD]
[TD]TAQ003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #69FF00, align: right"]3.09208667[/TD]
[TD]VEN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6CFF00, align: right"]3.17318452[/TD]
[TD]VEN016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8AFF00, align: right"]4.05788122[/TD]
[TD]VEN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]4.08460524[/TD]
[TD]VEN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]4.26884059[/TD]
[TD]VEN015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A8FF00, align: right"]4.95259528[/TD]
[TD]ETR003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ABFF00, align: right"]5.03726116[/TD]
[TD]VEN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AFFF00, align: right"]5.13276728[/TD]
[TD]VEN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1FF00, align: right"]5.67258319[/TD]
[TD]ETR014[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D8FF00, align: right"]6.33947947[/TD]
[TD]TAQ011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]6.70822629[/TD]
[TD]ETR013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]6.96997131[/TD]
[TD]VEN012[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFF00, align: right"]7.50265953[/TD]
[TD]VEN022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFC00, align: right"]7.57392897[/TD]
[TD]TAQ009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF500, align: right"]7.78476718[/TD]
[TD]ETR004[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF400, align: right"]7.81180517[/TD]
[TD]TAQ020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF300, align: right"]7.84144757[/TD]
[TD]TAQ021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEE00, align: right"]7.99439804[/TD]
[TD]VEN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBA00, align: right"]9.51576061[/TD]
[TD]VEN018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB800, align: right"]9.57413704[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAC00, align: right"]9.95202994[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA800, align: right"]10.06018389[/TD]
[TD]ETR010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9C00, align: right"]10.41507561[/TD]
[TD]ETR007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]10.82860564[/TD]
[TD]MAS003[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Dodecad 12B Distances. Analysis with Antonio et al 2019 Roman samples plus new Max Plank samples are source data. All distances < 10 (rounded). 65 total, 20 of them are from the new Max Plank samples. Like what I am seeing. Thanks again Jovialis for these coordinates for the new samples

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #31FF00, align: right"]2.38784422[/TD]
[TD]VEN015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #36FF00, align: right"]2.62716577[/TD]
[TD]R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #39FF00, align: right"]2.80777492[/TD]
[TD]R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #42FF00, align: right"]3.25103061[/TD]
[TD]R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #43FF00, align: right"]3.29887860[/TD]
[TD]R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #50FF00, align: right"]3.93635618[/TD]
[TD]R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #52FF00, align: right"]4.04278369[/TD]
[TD]VEN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #53FF00, align: right"]4.05677212[/TD]
[TD]R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #55FF00, align: right"]4.18025119[/TD]
[TD]R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #57FF00, align: right"]4.24855269[/TD]
[TD]VEN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #57FF00, align: right"]4.25480904[/TD]
[TD]R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #57FF00, align: right"]4.28794823[/TD]
[TD]R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5DFF00, align: right"]4.58093877[/TD]
[TD]ETR001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5EFF00, align: right"]4.58742847[/TD]
[TD]R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5EFF00, align: right"]4.61280826[/TD]
[TD]TAQ003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5FFF00, align: right"]4.63776886[/TD]
[TD]R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #62FF00, align: right"]4.81801826[/TD]
[TD]R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #63FF00, align: right"]4.85203050[/TD]
[TD]R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #67FF00, align: right"]5.06126466[/TD]
[TD]R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #67FF00, align: right"]5.06482971[/TD]
[TD]R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6BFF00, align: right"]5.25831722[/TD]
[TD]R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6CFF00, align: right"]5.30568563[/TD]
[TD]R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6FFF00, align: right"]5.43333231[/TD]
[TD]R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6FFF00, align: right"]5.46535452[/TD]
[TD]R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #70FF00, align: right"]5.48053829[/TD]
[TD]R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #73FF00, align: right"]5.65108839[/TD]
[TD]R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #75FF00, align: right"]5.72629025[/TD]
[TD]R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #79FF00, align: right"]5.95183165[/TD]
[TD]R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7BFF00, align: right"]6.03015754[/TD]
[TD]R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7DFF00, align: right"]6.12952690[/TD]
[TD]TAQ021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7EFF00, align: right"]6.18293620[/TD]
[TD]VEN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7EFF00, align: right"]6.18618622[/TD]
[TD]VEN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7FFF00, align: right"]6.23349822[/TD]
[TD]R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #83FF00, align: right"]6.44542473[/TD]
[TD]ETR013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #84FF00, align: right"]6.46209718[/TD]
[TD]VEN016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #84FF00, align: right"]6.47404047[/TD]
[TD]R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #89FF00, align: right"]6.70104469[/TD]
[TD]R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8AFF00, align: right"]6.76414814[/TD]
[TD]R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8AFF00, align: right"]6.77437820[/TD]
[TD]R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #93FF00, align: right"]7.19765240[/TD]
[TD]R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #95FF00, align: right"]7.28032280[/TD]
[TD]R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #95FF00, align: right"]7.28809303[/TD]
[TD]ETR014[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9AFF00, align: right"]7.54798649[/TD]
[TD]R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A4FF00, align: right"]8.02691722[/TD]
[TD]R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A6FF00, align: right"]8.15834542[/TD]
[TD]TAQ011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9FF00, align: right"]8.26566997[/TD]
[TD]R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ABFF00, align: right"]8.38538013[/TD]
[TD]R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ADFF00, align: right"]8.49709951[/TD]
[TD]TAQ009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B6FF00, align: right"]8.89724677[/TD]
[TD]R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B8FF00, align: right"]9.00778552[/TD]
[TD]R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B8FF00, align: right"]9.04179739[/TD]
[TD]R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BAFF00, align: right"]9.10637140[/TD]
[TD]R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BBFF00, align: right"]9.17092689[/TD]
[TD]MAS003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BCFF00, align: right"]9.23174415[/TD]
[TD]ETR003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BDFF00, align: right"]9.27569943[/TD]
[TD]R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BFFF00, align: right"]9.35309040[/TD]
[TD]ETR010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1FF00, align: right"]9.44418340[/TD]
[TD]R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C2FF00, align: right"]9.52039915[/TD]
[TD]TAQ020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C7FF00, align: right"]9.73570747[/TD]
[TD]TAQ007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CAFF00, align: right"]9.87760092[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CAFF00, align: right"]9.91290573[/TD]
[TD]R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CBFF00, align: right"]9.96464249[/TD]
[TD]R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CDFF00, align: right"]10.03153029[/TD]
[TD]R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D3FF00, align: right"]10.34220479[/TD]
[TD]R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D6FF00, align: right"]10.49192547[/TD]
[TD]VEN017

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[torzio]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Jovialis[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6EFF00, align: right"]3.24240651[/TD]
[TD]VEN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #89FF00, align: right"]4.01990050[/TD]
[TD]TAQ003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A2FF00, align: right"]4.75213636[/TD]
[TD]VEN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A8FF00, align: right"]4.93654738[/TD]
[TD]ETR013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AEFF00, align: right"]5.12963936[/TD]
[TD]VEN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B7FF00, align: right"]5.37851281[/TD]
[TD]VEN015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BBFF00, align: right"]5.48651984[/TD]
[TD]VEN016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BDFF00, align: right"]5.55091884[/TD]
[TD]TAQ020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C4FF00, align: right"]5.75717813[/TD]
[TD]VEN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CCFF00, align: right"]6.00671291[/TD]
[TD]VEN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D6FF00, align: right"]6.30009524[/TD]
[TD]TAQ011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DAFF00, align: right"]6.42409527[/TD]
[TD]ETR003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E3FF00, align: right"]6.68628447[/TD]
[TD]TAQ009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E7FF00, align: right"]6.78860810[/TD]
[TD]ETR014[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFFF00, align: right"]7.02363154[/TD]
[TD]VEN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF600, align: right"]7.76436089[/TD]
[TD]TAQ021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFED00, align: right"]8.01757445[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFED00, align: right"]8.03818387[/TD]
[TD]ETR004[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDF00, align: right"]8.44791690[/TD]
[TD]ETR010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDE00, align: right"]8.46739039[/TD]
[TD]VEN012[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDE00, align: right"]8.47912142[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB900, align: right"]9.54584203[/TD]
[TD]VEN022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA800, align: right"]10.07067525[/TD]
[TD]ETR006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9F00, align: right"]10.32986447[/TD]
[TD]ETR012[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]10.74665064[/TD]
[TD]MAS003
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

has it been confirmed that VEN is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venosa

a samnite town ?

 

[torzio]

Here are all of the coordinates in Dodecad K12b format:

CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.87,0.27
CAM002,4.72,0.03,0,1.59,40.47,34.19,0,0,4.64,0,13.94,0.44
CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16.98,1.04
CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25,0.16
CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53,15.93,0.45
CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,18.21,0.93
CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54,19.16,0
CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6,0.27
CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
CSN008,4.93,0,0,0.4,43.71,27.95,0,0,4.16,0,18.84,0
CSN009,2.52,0,2.03,0,39.86,27.95,0,0,2.52,0.43,23.93,0.75
CSN010,4.43,0.27,3.49,0,40.36,31.59,0,0,5.33,1.81,11.48,1.25
CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25,19.55,0.57
ETR003,10.36,0,2.55,0,30.58,19.47,0,0,10.98,0,25.66,0.41
ETR004,17.44,0,0,0,19.59,19.63,0,0,11.7,0,31.64,0
ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18.73,1.13
ETR006,3.87,1.22,0,0,39.39,15.01,0,0,12.67,0,26.45,1.39
ETR007,5.51,0,2.37,1.28,30.11,25.01,0,0,8.81,0,26.92,0
ETR010,4.58,0.05,1.08,0.22,37.3,17.15,0.08,0,9.4,0,29.53,0.6
ETR012,17.52,1.96,0,0,41.58,12.98,3.45,0.35,5.74,0,16.42,0
ETR013,6.64,0.06,1.86,0,35.44,14.98,0,0,9.51,0,31.24,0.28
ETR014,3.51,0,2.87,0,27.31,14.86,0.51,0,14.53,0,36.4,0
MAG001,0.84,0,0,0,47.05,24.88,0.37,0.08,3.46,0.47,22.84,0.02
MAS001,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1.12,21.08,0.18
MAS002,6.49,1.52,3.63,0,23.56,7.82,0,0.48,18.33,0.02,38.16,0
MAS003,2.81,0,8.6,1.47,34.71,11.66,0,1.28,11.86,0,26.84,0.76
MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21.46,0
POP001,4.72,0.15,0.86,0,35.02,19.76,0,0,8.74,1.36,28.84,0.55
PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19.22,0.71
PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2,0
TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.25,0
TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27,1.12
TAQ003,5.6,0,2.14,1.3,29.31,17.09,0.1,0.93,11.36,0,31.59,0.58
TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,17.87,0.48
TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86,0.41,18.68,0.49
TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24.24,0
TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0.07,31.87,1.52
TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17.53,0.63
TAQ009,4.13,0.23,2.43,0.82,33.16,19.69,0.14,0,9.54,0,28.81,1.06
TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20.41,0.24
TAQ011,6.51,0.15,1.38,0.03,33.17,19.02,0,1.09,10.21,0,27.5,0.96
TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79,0.33
TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19.04,0.23
TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19.66,0.81
TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18.06,0.63
TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0.21
TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.91,0.89
TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,19.27,0.21
TAQ020,9.02,0.66,1.49,0.5,34.13,18.73,0.12,0,7.43,0,27.92,0
TAQ021,3.74,0,2.51,0,33.22,11.47,2.01,0,12.62,0,34.44,0
TAQ022,5.66,0,2.84,0,34.54,19.74,2.22,0,6.34,0,28.11,0.54
TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0,26.04,1.31
TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57,0,20.29,0
UDC_P,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
VEN001,5.14,0,3.87,0.01,28.18,17.6,0,0,11.33,2.38,29.77,1.73
VEN002,2.79,8.01,0,12.59,16.3,9.93,3.89,0.01,6.34,27.43,12.71,0
VEN005,6.66,0,4.28,1.53,32.55,10.92,0,0,10.86,0.37,32.83,0
VEN006,8.51,0.54,5.29,0.22,27.14,16.32,0,0,9.76,1.99,30.08,0.16
VEN008,4.55,6.58,0,0,36.17,16.54,2.72,0,8.77,0,23.04,1.63
VEN009,4.96,0,10.9,0.28,29.02,16.26,0,3.03,6.57,0,28.99,0
VEN010,16.14,0,2.12,1.09,37.1,15.42,0,0.05,13.2,0,14.88,0
VEN012,2.86,0,1.41,0.17,24.58,14.71,0,1.75,12.7,5.77,36.03,0.03
VEN013,7.7,0,5.12,0,28.43,14.81,0,0,10.94,1.22,30.32,1.45
VEN014,12.68,0,5.83,0,33.04,0,0,0.24,17.71,1.35,28.74,0.42
VEN015,7.16,0,3.85,0.73,28.62,13.96,0.39,0,13.73,0,30.9,0.64
VEN016,6.56,0,6.02,0,25.63,16.98,0,0,13.65,0.44,30.73,0
VEN017,1.13,1.55,0,0.12,32.91,17.47,3.75,0,12.37,3.07,27.62,0
VEN018,9.33,0,3.69,0,27.33,17.18,0,0,19.59,0,20.74,2.14
VEN021,8.65,0,0.51,3.3,17.54,14.06,0,2.43,21.68,1.47,30.37,0
VEN022,7.04,0,0,5.28,15.13,25.83,0,0.13,20.82,0,25.77,0
VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,21.57,0
VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,20.03,0
VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0.15,20.03,0
VET005,7.72,0.55,0,0,43.13,37.83,0,1.41,1.61,0,7.74,0
VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42,17.63,0.63
VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04,28.42,0.99
VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20.12,0.57
VET011,0,0,6.57,0,51.11,17.17,0,2.72,3.32,0,19.1,0
VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23.01,0
VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,21.4,0.48

thanks

what is CSN ?

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Torziok12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.47945854[/TD]
[TD]CSN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.77274083[/TD]
[TD]CSN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.85378450[/TD]
[TD]CSN008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.41315569[/TD]
[TD]ETR007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.57447649[/TD]
[TD]VET001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.89305312[/TD]
[TD]MAS001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.99554455[/TD]
[TD]TAQ006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.05177814[/TD]
[TD]CAM002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.17633214[/TD]
[TD]VOL001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.32613350[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.63097588[/TD]
[TD]CSN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.80943267[/TD]
[TD]CSN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.86362508[/TD]
[TD]MAS004[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.98595845[/TD]
[TD]TAQ020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.05735460[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.13428201[/TD]
[TD]CSN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.20780898[/TD]
[TD]TAQ011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.54692393[/TD]
[TD]ETR003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.64932014[/TD]
[TD]TAQ009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.85277402[/TD]
[TD]CSN002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.01492220[/TD]
[TD]TAQ016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.27414027[/TD]
[TD]CSN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.36240248[/TD]
[TD]TAQ015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.51870186[/TD]
[TD]TAQ013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.52757184[/TD]
[TD]TAQ002[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



[TABLE="class: cms_table_distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]CSN005[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9DFF00, align: right"]4.61774431[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BFFF00, align: right"]5.60615733[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D9FF00, align: right"]6.39410666[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Stuvanè]

Based on #256 post coordinates

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Dodecadk12bStuvanè[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8CFF00, align: right"]4.12127407[/TD]
[TD]ETR007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CBFF00, align: right"]5.96436920[/TD]
[TD]TAQ009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D2FF00, align: right"]6.18798836[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D7FF00, align: right"]6.31981012[/TD]
[TD]TAQ011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E3FF00, align: right"]6.68472139[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF400, align: right"]7.80932776[/TD]
[TD]TAQ020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE300, align: right"]8.33039615[/TD]
[TD]ETR003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC700, align: right"]9.15716659[/TD]
[TD]ETR010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA200, align: right"]10.23210145[/TD]
[TD]CSN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA100, align: right"]10.26249970[/TD]
[TD]VEN017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9900, align: right"]10.50968601[/TD]
[TD]VEN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]10.54409788[/TD]
[TD]VET001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]10.71946361[/TD]
[TD]CSN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]10.81554437[/TD]
[TD]TAQ003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8100, align: right"]11.19209096[/TD]
[TD]MAS001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7C00, align: right"]11.35817327[/TD]
[TD]ETR013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7B00, align: right"]11.38123016[/TD]
[TD]VEN008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6800, align: right"]11.93949748[/TD]
[TD]ETR006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6300, align: right"]12.07552069[/TD]
[TD]TAQ006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5300, align: right"]12.56003583[/TD]
[TD]VEN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4A00, align: right"]12.81852566[/TD]
[TD]VOL001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4600, align: right"]12.93006961[/TD]
[TD]VEN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2F00, align: right"]13.61044819[/TD]
[TD]VEN016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2900, align: right"]13.78004717[/TD]
[TD]CSN008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2500, align: right"]13.92520736[/TD]
[TD]VEN015

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Stuvanè]

Based on #254 post coordinates

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Dodecad_Glob_13Stuvanè[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #77FF00, align: right"]3.50182809[/TD]
[TD]ETR007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DCFF00, align: right"]6.47319087[/TD]
[TD]TAQ011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F8FF00, align: right"]7.28703643[/TD]
[TD]MAS001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF900, align: right"]7.68488126[/TD]
[TD]TAQ009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF500, align: right"]7.78856213[/TD]
[TD]TAQ022[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE100, align: right"]8.38830734[/TD]
[TD]VEN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]8.41722638[/TD]
[TD]POP001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]8.55021637[/TD]
[TD]VEN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC800, align: right"]9.11615050[/TD]
[TD]ETR003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBA00, align: right"]9.54094335[/TD]
[TD]VEN008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAC00, align: right"]9.94562718[/TD]
[TD]ETR010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA900, align: right"]10.04199681[/TD]
[TD]VET001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]10.51667723[/TD]
[TD]VEN018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9500, align: right"]10.61888883[/TD]
[TD]CSN005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9500, align: right"]10.63110060[/TD]
[TD]ETR006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]10.66085831[/TD]
[TD]ETR013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7100, align: right"]11.68427148[/TD]
[TD]CSN009[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6F00, align: right"]11.74483716[/TD]
[TD]VEN001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6A00, align: right"]11.87424945[/TD]
[TD]TAQ003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6800, align: right"]11.94143626[/TD]
[TD]CSN013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6600, align: right"]11.99305632[/TD]
[TD]CSN006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6500, align: right"]12.04318064[/TD]
[TD]TAQ006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5D00, align: right"]12.27419651[/TD]
[TD]VOL001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5A00, align: right"]12.35918687[/TD]
[TD]TAQ015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5000, align: right"]12.66158758[/TD]
[TD]TAQ016

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Maciamo]

Looks like I missed a lot in the last two days. It's great to finally have those Etruscan genomes.

On the other hand the Y-DNA predictions look very unreliable. Half of the haplogroups listed are either extremely improbable or downright impossible if they are really from Iron Age Etruscans because they didn't exist back then. Yet some show a confidence of 100%!

Highly improbable:

- C1b1-Y28069 (found mostly in Southeast Asia)
- G1-M3146 (found mostly in Afghanistan and Pakistan)
- H3 (found in South Asia)
- I1-Z60>Z140>L338>Y4015 (essentially Germanic)
- N1c1 => given 100% confidence, but it's so rare in Italy even after the Germanic and Slavic invasions that it would be highly surprising
- O1a (found mostly among Taiwan aborigines, but otherwise South China and Japan)
- O3 (found in East Asia) => very low quality Y-DNA, so surely wrong
- R1b-U106 (North European)
- R1b-L238>Z2247 (essentially Scandinavian)
- R1b-L2>Y57468 formed 2800 ybp, but TMRCA of only 350 ybp

Impossible:

- I2a2a-L801>Y14685 formed 1450 ybp, TMRCA 1450 ybp
- R1b-L21>M222>A5902 formed 1350 ybp, TMRCA 950 ybp => yet given 100% confidence
- R1b-DF27>Y31420 formed 1650 ybp, TMRCA 450 ybp


Yet I wouldn't dismiss all the Sub-Saharan African Y-DNA too quickly.

- A1b1-M13 has been found in modern Italy, but also in the Middle East and North Africa. Could have come with the Carthaginians. Ditto for the E1b1a.

If we exclude the above, we are left with :

- E1b1b-L618 (1x)
- G2a (x10, including the Neolithic PF3359 (2x) and L140>CTS342 (2x) and the Italo-Celtic L140>L497 (2x))
- I2a2a-Y3259 (1x)
- I2c1 (3x)
- J1 (1x)
- J1-P58 (x1)
- J2 (x1)
- J2a1-L26 (3x)
- J2b2 (5x)
- R1b-Z2103 (1x)
- R1b-L51 (6x)
- R1b-P312 (2x)
- R1b-U152 (x12, including 10x L2, 1x Z36)


Based on these 45 samples, it looks like the Etruscans were primarily R1b (47%), G2a (22%) and J2 (20%).

Interestingly the Latins seemed to have more R1b-Z2103 and R1b-U152>Z56, while the Etruscans are mostly R1b-L51 and R1b-U152>L2. I am starting to wonder whether the R1b-L2 outside of Italy is really Celtic or if most of it could be ultimately of Italian origin, be it Latin/Italic, Etruscan or even Cisalpine Celtic.

 

[Maciamo]

Does anybody have the locations and dates for the samples?

I suppose that it could be something like that.

- CAM : Campeva, Campania
- CSN : Cesena
- ETR : Etruria? (not a city)
- MAG : Magliano in Toscana?
- MAS : Massa
- POP: Populonia
- PRZ : ?
- TAQ : Tarquinia
- UDC : ?
- VEN : Venturina
- VET : Vetluna (Vetulonia)
- VEU : ?
- VOL : Volterra

 

[Maciamo]

Looks like I have the closest match so far, even if only one.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Maciamo[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #42FF00, align: right"]1.94411934[/TD]
[TD]VET005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD600, align: right"]8.71826244[/TD]
[TD]CAM002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAE00, align: right"]9.87295295[/TD]
[TD]CSN010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3100, align: right"]13.54435307[/TD]
[TD]CSN012[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Maciamo]

I have updated the Etruscan modal value for Dodecad K12b based on these 82 samples + the 3 from Antonio 2019.

Etruscan_modal,3.92,0.37,2.71,0.54,39.36,20.33,0.36,0.29,8.12,0.70,22.86,0.43

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Etruscans[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7EFF00, align: right"]3.71067379[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]4.33882473[/TD]
[TD]French_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #96FF00, align: right"]4.39770395[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A2FF00, align: right"]4.76126034[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BAFF00, align: right"]5.46534537[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]6.69750700[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]6.96570887[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF000, align: right"]7.94296544[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC900, align: right"]9.09552981[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB700, align: right"]9.62146164[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA100, align: right"]10.25746557[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9B00, align: right"]10.43134699[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Friuli_VG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9A00, align: right"]10.47458830[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7B00, align: right"]11.38253047[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6F00, align: right"]11.74652715[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6700, align: right"]11.97243083[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5E00, align: right"]12.24043300[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4B00, align: right"]12.79628852[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Castilla-Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3700, align: right"]13.39125834[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Valencia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3000, align: right"]13.57399352[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1F00, align: right"]14.09477208[/TD]
[TD]Albanian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1900, align: right"]14.26382838[/TD]
[TD]Macedonian_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1900, align: right"]14.27691844[/TD]
[TD]Macedonian_Vardar[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1400, align: right"]14.42375818[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Thessaly[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0F00, align: right"]14.54745682[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Catalonia

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Southpaw]

Looks like I missed a lot in the last two days. It's great to finally have those Etruscan genomes.

On the other hand the Y-DNA predictions look very unreliable. Half of the haplogroups listed are either extremely improbable or downright impossible if they are really from Iron Age Etruscans because they didn't exist back then. Yet some show a confidence of 100%!

Highly improbable:

- C1b1-Y28069 (found mostly in Southeast Asia)
- G1-M3146 (found mostly in Afghanistan and Pakistan)
- H3 (found in South Asia)
- I1-Z60>Z140>L338>Y4015 (essentially Germanic)
- N1c1 => given 100% confidence, but it's so rare in Italy even after the Germanic and Slavic invasions that it would be highly surprising
- O1a (found mostly among Taiwan aborigines, but otherwise South China and Japan)
- O3 (found in East Asia) => very low quality Y-DNA, so surely wrong
- R1b-U106 (North European)
- R1b-L238>Z2247 (essentially Scandinavian)
- R1b-L2>Y57468 formed 2800 ybp, but TMRCA of only 350 ybp

Impossible:

- I2a2a-L801>Y14685 formed 1450 ybp, TMRCA 1450 ybp
- R1b-L21>M222>A5902 formed 1350 ybp, TMRCA 950 ybp => yet given 100% confidence
- R1b-DF27>Y31420 formed 1650 ybp, TMRCA 450 ybp


Yet I wouldn't dismiss all the Sub-Saharan African Y-DNA too quickly.

- A1b1-M13 has been found in modern Italy, but also in the Middle East and North Africa. Could have come with the Carthaginians. Ditto for the E1b1a.

If we exclude the above, we are left with :

- E1b1b-L618 (1x)
- G2a (x10, including the Neolithic PF3359 (2x) and L140>CTS342 (2x) and the Italo-Celtic L140>L497 (2x))
- I2a2a-Y3259 (1x)
- I2c1 (3x)
- J1 (1x)
- J1-P58 (x1)
- J2 (x1)
- J2a1-L26 (3x)
- J2b2 (5x)
- R1b-Z2103 (1x)
- R1b-L51 (6x)
- R1b-P312 (2x)
- R1b-U152 (x12, including 10x L2, 1x Z36)


Based on these 45 samples, it looks like the Etruscans were primarily R1b (47%), G2a (22%) and J2 (20%).

Interestingly the Latins seemed to have more R1b-Z2103 and R1b-U152>Z56, while the Etruscans are mostly R1b-L51 and R1b-U152>L2. I am starting to wonder whether the R1b-L2 outside of Italy is really Celtic or if most of it could be ultimately of Italian origin, be it Latin/Italic, Etruscan or even Cisalpine Celtic.

Nice analysis Maciamo as always.

Bear in mind that the samples include from Iron Age up to 1000 A.D if i am not wrong.

 

[Archetype0ne]

Some of them:

Ph2ter on Anthrogenica did his magic as usual. These are some of them.


Here are my closest matches, g25 calc, since not on desktop and able to use other calcs.


https://imgur.com/a/DxYohkU

 

[Maciamo]

Bear in mind that the samples include from Iron Age up to 1000 A.D if i am not wrong.

You are right. I missed that. That would explain the Germanic lineages, at least. It's annoying to analyse samples without having dates. Some are pre-Roman, other Late Republic, Empire and Middle Ages. They need to be separated by period.

 

[Pax Augusta]

I have updated the Etruscan modal value for Dodecad K12b based on these 82 samples + the 3 from Antonio 2019.

Etruscan_modal,3.92,0.37,2.71,0.54,39.36,20.33,0.36,0.29,8.12,0.70,22.86,0.43

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Etruscans[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7EFF00, align: right"]3.71067379[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]4.33882473[/TD]
[TD]French_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #96FF00, align: right"]4.39770395[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A2FF00, align: right"]4.76126034[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BAFF00, align: right"]5.46534537[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]6.69750700[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]6.96570887[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF000, align: right"]7.94296544[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC900, align: right"]9.09552981[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB700, align: right"]9.62146164[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA100, align: right"]10.25746557[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9B00, align: right"]10.43134699[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Friuli_VG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9A00, align: right"]10.47458830[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7B00, align: right"]11.38253047[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6F00, align: right"]11.74652715[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6700, align: right"]11.97243083[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5E00, align: right"]12.24043300[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4B00, align: right"]12.79628852[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Castilla-Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3700, align: right"]13.39125834[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Valencia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3000, align: right"]13.57399352[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1F00, align: right"]14.09477208[/TD]
[TD]Albanian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1900, align: right"]14.26382838[/TD]
[TD]Macedonian_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1900, align: right"]14.27691844[/TD]
[TD]Macedonian_Vardar[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1400, align: right"]14.42375818[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Thessaly[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0F00, align: right"]14.54745682[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Catalonia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

These are not 82 Etruscan specimens, they can't all be labeled as Etruscan, no preprint came out, and they cover an era from 800 BC to 100 AD, almost 2000 years and not all are from Etruria.

 

[Pax Augusta]

Does anybody have the locations and dates for the samples?

There is still no information.

 

[Maciamo]

These are not 82 Etruscan specimens, they can't all be labeled as Etruscan, no preprint came out, and they cover an era from 800 BC to 100 AD, almost 2000 years and not all are from Etruria.

I know. I posted that before I realised that the samples went as far as 1000 CE.

I made an average of six samples with Germanic haplogroups (I1, R1b-L238, R1b-U106 and N1c1 which surely came along) and the results are very different. Looks Spanish rather than Northwest Italian.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Medieval_Tuscany[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D0FF00, align: right"]6.12423056[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D6FF00, align: right"]6.27943469[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Castilla-Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D8FF00, align: right"]6.36714222[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Valencia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F6FF00, align: right"]7.22225726[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Catalonia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF700, align: right"]7.74048448[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Andalusia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF500, align: right"]7.80179467[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEF00, align: right"]7.96512398[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEA00, align: right"]8.12560767[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE500, align: right"]8.26597847[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Aragon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]8.40026785[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD300, align: right"]8.80765576[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Cantabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD100, align: right"]8.86411304[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBF00, align: right"]9.38626124[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB400, align: right"]9.70680689[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB400, align: right"]9.71303763[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB300, align: right"]9.74944101[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Asturias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAE00, align: right"]9.89557477[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9F00, align: right"]10.33320860[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Extremadura_1KG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9500, align: right"]10.60837405[/TD]
[TD]French_Auvergne[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]10.69555983[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_La_Rioja[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8B00, align: right"]10.90566825[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8800, align: right"]10.99904996[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6F00, align: right"]11.73342235[/TD]
[TD]French_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6200, align: right"]12.11700871[/TD]
[TD]French_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5900, align: right"]12.38671466[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Tuscany

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Pax Augusta]

Ph2ter on Anthrogenica did his magic as usual. These are some of them.


Here are my closest matches, g25 calc, since not on desktop and able to use other calcs.


https://imgur.com/a/DxYohkU

As I've said in another thread, the Italian breakdown is incomplete on G25 (only 1 Ligurian, Emilia-Romagna completely missing, 1/3 of the Corsicans seem to be to partially French, North East Italy is too much Alpine shifted...). Ph2ter is a good user but these maps reflect the problems the G25 has (and it's not the G25's fault, it's the academic samples that are released).

 

[D.L.M]

Looks like I missed a lot in the last two days. It's great to finally have those Etruscan genomes.

On the other hand the Y-DNA predictions look very unreliable. Half of the haplogroups listed are either extremely improbable or downright impossible if they are really from Iron Age Etruscans because they didn't exist back then. Yet some show a confidence of 100%!

Highly improbable:

- C1b1-Y28069 (found mostly in Southeast Asia)
- G1-M3146 (found mostly in Afghanistan and Pakistan)
- H3 (found in South Asia)
- I1-Z60>Z140>L338>Y4015 (essentially Germanic)
- N1c1 => given 100% confidence, but it's so rare in Italy even after the Germanic and Slavic invasions that it would be highly surprising
- O1a (found mostly among Taiwan aborigines, but otherwise South China and Japan)
- O3 (found in East Asia) => very low quality Y-DNA, so surely wrong
- R1b-U106 (North European)
- R1b-L238>Z2247 (essentially Scandinavian)
- R1b-L2>Y57468 formed 2800 ybp, but TMRCA of only 350 ybp

Impossible:

- I2a2a-L801>Y14685 formed 1450 ybp, TMRCA 1450 ybp
- R1b-L21>M222>A5902 formed 1350 ybp, TMRCA 950 ybp => yet given 100% confidence
- R1b-DF27>Y31420 formed 1650 ybp, TMRCA 450 ybp


Yet I wouldn't dismiss all the Sub-Saharan African Y-DNA too quickly.

- A1b1-M13 has been found in modern Italy, but also in the Middle East and North Africa. Could have come with the Carthaginians. Ditto for the E1b1a.

If we exclude the above, we are left with :

- E1b1b-L618 (1x)
- G2a (x10, including the Neolithic PF3359 (2x) and L140>CTS342 (2x) and the Italo-Celtic L140>L497 (2x))
- I2a2a-Y3259 (1x)
- I2c1 (3x)
- J1 (1x)
- J1-P58 (x1)
- J2 (x1)
- J2a1-L26 (3x)
- J2b2 (5x)
- R1b-Z2103 (1x)
- R1b-L51 (6x)
- R1b-P312 (2x)
- R1b-U152 (x12, including 10x L2, 1x Z36)


Based on these 45 samples, it looks like the Etruscans were primarily R1b (47%), G2a (22%) and J2 (20%).

Interestingly the Latins seemed to have more R1b-Z2103 and R1b-U152>Z56, while the Etruscans are mostly R1b-L51 and R1b-U152>L2. I am starting to wonder whether the R1b-L2 outside of Italy is really Celtic or if most of it could be ultimately of Italian origin, be it Latin/Italic, Etruscan or even Cisalpine Celtic.

Amazing analysis. I was hoping for someone to pull the numbers and extract the objective data.
Instead of hypothesising without the paper

I was about to start estimating myself.
.

 

[Pax Augusta]

I know. I posted that before I realised that the samples went as far as 1000 CE.

I made an average of six samples with Germanic haplogroups (I1, R1b-L238, R1b-U106 and N1c1 which surely came along) and the results are very different. Looks Spanish rather than Northwest Italian.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Medieval_Tuscany[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D0FF00, align: right"]6.12423056[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D6FF00, align: right"]6.27943469[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Castilla-Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D8FF00, align: right"]6.36714222[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Valencia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F6FF00, align: right"]7.22225726[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Catalonia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF700, align: right"]7.74048448[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Andalusia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF500, align: right"]7.80179467[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEF00, align: right"]7.96512398[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEA00, align: right"]8.12560767[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE500, align: right"]8.26597847[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Aragon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]8.40026785[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD300, align: right"]8.80765576[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Cantabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD100, align: right"]8.86411304[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBF00, align: right"]9.38626124[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB400, align: right"]9.70680689[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB400, align: right"]9.71303763[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB300, align: right"]9.74944101[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Asturias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAE00, align: right"]9.89557477[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9F00, align: right"]10.33320860[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Extremadura_1KG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9500, align: right"]10.60837405[/TD]
[TD]French_Auvergne[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]10.69555983[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_La_Rioja[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8B00, align: right"]10.90566825[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8800, align: right"]10.99904996[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6F00, align: right"]11.73342235[/TD]
[TD]French_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6200, align: right"]12.11700871[/TD]
[TD]French_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5900, align: right"]12.38671466[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Looks Spanish rather than Northwest Italian because you can't average it that way. It is not possible to calculate a medieval Tuscan average based only on those who have a Germanic Y-DNA (which are not all from Tuscany).

Looks like I missed a lot in the last two days. It's great to finally have those Etruscan genomes.

On the other hand the Y-DNA predictions look very unreliable. Half of the haplogroups listed are either extremely improbable or downright impossible if they are really from Iron Age Etruscans because they didn't exist back then. Yet some show a confidence of 100%!

Highly improbable:

- C1b1-Y28069 (found mostly in Southeast Asia)
- G1-M3146 (found mostly in Afghanistan and Pakistan)
- H3 (found in South Asia)
- I1-Z60>Z140>L338>Y4015 (essentially Germanic)
- N1c1 => given 100% confidence, but it's so rare in Italy even after the Germanic and Slavic invasions that it would be highly surprising
- O1a (found mostly among Taiwan aborigines, but otherwise South China and Japan)
- O3 (found in East Asia) => very low quality Y-DNA, so surely wrong
- R1b-U106 (North European)
- R1b-L238>Z2247 (essentially Scandinavian)
- R1b-L2>Y57468 formed 2800 ybp, but TMRCA of only 350 ybp

Impossible:

- I2a2a-L801>Y14685 formed 1450 ybp, TMRCA 1450 ybp
- R1b-L21>M222>A5902 formed 1350 ybp, TMRCA 950 ybp => yet given 100% confidence
- R1b-DF27>Y31420 formed 1650 ybp, TMRCA 450 ybp


Yet I wouldn't dismiss all the Sub-Saharan African Y-DNA too quickly.

- A1b1-M13 has been found in modern Italy, but also in the Middle East and North Africa. Could have come with the Carthaginians. Ditto for the E1b1a.

If we exclude the above, we are left with :

- E1b1b-L618 (1x)
- G2a (x10, including the Neolithic PF3359 (2x) and L140>CTS342 (2x) and the Italo-Celtic L140>L497 (2x))
- I2a2a-Y3259 (1x)
- I2c1 (3x)
- J1 (1x)
- J1-P58 (x1)
- J2 (x1)
- J2a1-L26 (3x)
- J2b2 (5x)
- R1b-Z2103 (1x)
- R1b-L51 (6x)
- R1b-P312 (2x)
- R1b-U152 (x12, including 10x L2, 1x Z36)


Based on these 45 samples, it looks like the Etruscans were primarily R1b (47%), G2a (22%) and J2 (20%).

Interestingly the Latins seemed to have more R1b-Z2103 and R1b-U152>Z56, while the Etruscans are mostly R1b-L51 and R1b-U152>L2. I am starting to wonder whether the R1b-L2 outside of Italy is really Celtic or if most of it could be ultimately of Italian origin, be it Latin/Italic, Etruscan or even Cisalpine Celtic.

I do agree with much of this. Other analyses of Etruscan samples will also come out in the future and hopefully those from the oldest phase (900-500 BC) will be tested, which will clarify what other clades of R1b and in particular of R1b U152 were present among Etruscans.

 

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As I've said in another thread, the Italian breakdown is incomplete on G25 (only 1 Ligurian, Emilia-Romagna completely missing, 1/3 of the Corsicans seem to be to partially French, North East Italy is too much Alpine shifted...). Ph2ter is a good user but these maps reflect the problems the G25 has (and it's not the G25's fault, it's the academic samples that are released).

Thanks. Have a feeling you are right. For the most part I just like the visualization aspcet of such an aproach, wish the database was more representative.

And for modern Balkans, which is my reference they never dissapoint. In fact using G25 you can find glaring errors in academic samples as you pointed out. Some of the Scythians for example, autosomally lool on the South Europe cline. Which unless you read the updated version of the paper, and are stuck with the first release you would be lead astray.