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Moots: Ancient Rome Paper

A little off topic my friend, but on one of these forums here on Eupedia, Regio X did some admixture runs on G25 with East and West Sicilians, and found around .4% Shum Laka admixture. He included the Iberomaurusians in said runs, and from what I understand, the Iberomaurusian samples are partly Eurasian, as well as partly Ancestral North African/Ancestral East African (ANA/AEA), which is in turn related in some way to Basal Eurasian (BE). If I am not mistaken, ANA/AEA ancestry is present in the Shum Laka samples, as it is in almost all Sub-Saharan African populations; there is also a minor bit of Eurasian ancestry not directly related to ANA/AEA, in the Shum Laka samples; most likely related to the various back migrations from Eurasia and Northern Africa, into Sub-Saharan Africa over the last 200kyb. Do you think that is why Regio X's G25 run picks up very minor, almost noise level Shum Laka admixture in present-day Sicilians, and even in one of the Roman Republican-era samples? I believe that because of this shared ANA/AEA ancestry, noise levels of Shum Laka admixture appear in modern day Sicily; this also explains the presence mtDNA Haplogroups L1b1 and L2a1 in Neolithic/Eneolithic Iberia, as well as the minor presence of Y-DNA haplogroup A1 in small pockets across Eurasia, such as in the Aegean Region of Turkey, Jordan, Oman, Palestine, Sardinia, Ireland, Scotland, northeastern England, Norway and even Finland. I'm finding it difficult to get more definitive answers regarding the genetic/phylogenetic relations between Eurasia, Northern Africa, and Sub-Saharan Africa; especially seeing that these topics seem to have been hijacked by Afrocentrist types on Anthrogenica. Some of these posters appear to have been rejects from Egypt Search, and some of them even believe Basal Eurasian is some from of Sub-Saharan African ancestry. To me this is the equivalent of saying modern humans evolved from Chimpanzees or Old World Monkeys, when in actuality we share a common ancestor. The same applies to modern human biological diversity, you wouldn't say modern Europeans are descended from Siberians, Syrians, Turks, Egyptians or Jordanians, because for one, those modern populations didn't exist at that time in human history; instead all these groups share common Eurasian and North/Northeast African ancestors, related to the first Out of Africa expansions 60-70ybp.

 
Angela said:
Jovialis, honestly, I don't see the point of arguing with someone like this, or posting at anthrogenica. When you boil it down there are probably very few actual individuals posting. Most of the posts are from socks. I find the very idea of engaging them disgusting

Anyone who believes you can deduce the amount of a certain ancestry from y dna statistics at this point in the study of genetics other than to say that many times autosomal percentages are going to be a fraction of the yDna signature is beneath engaging in discussion......
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I can understand Jovialis that he felt he had to step in, in order to set the record straight. There are plenty agenda and ideologically driven folks on anthrogenica, beginning by the Mods. So, it's kinda refreshing when there are users who challenge or try to refute these posters who interpret the data according to their pet theories. Certainly, debating and discussing with members of AG that have an agenda can be futile and even gets you sooner or later banned. But then again, someone has to clarify what the actual data says or indicates in order to prevent other readers from getting misled. Furthermore, AG is pretty popular and followed by many people who are intrested in their origin or just in ancient people. Plus, there are not few people who consider anthrogenica as a forum with authority when it comes to ancient DNA, etc.
 
@Jovialis

Riddle me this, that you say there is zero Levantine admixture in Southern and Central Italians

Here is looking at Vahaduo gradients, when comparing two pops, the first showing what pop 1 has more of and the second showing what pop 2 has. I'm half Lucanian and half Sicilian so just to see

Chart 1 me vs Lombardy

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[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Azzurro_scaled
B: Italian_Lombardy
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #87FF00, align: right"]-0.04697202[/TD]
[TD]Palestinian_Beit_Sahour[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]-0.04560101[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8CFF00, align: right"]-0.04506793[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Christian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8CFF00, align: right"]-0.04502367[/TD]
[TD]Libyan_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8FFF00, align: right"]-0.04380057[/TD]
[TD]Samaritan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #90FF00, align: right"]-0.04369960[/TD]
[TD]Palestinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #90FF00, align: right"]-0.04349487[/TD]
[TD]Karaite_Egypt[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #90FF00, align: right"]-0.04342150[/TD]
[TD]Jordanian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #90FF00, align: right"]-0.04335536[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]-0.04331608[/TD]
[TD]Romaniote_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]-0.04330282[/TD]
[TD]Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]-0.04323730[/TD]
[TD]Cypriot[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]-0.04323594[/TD]
[TD]BedouinA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #92FF00, align: right"]-0.04281699[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Muslim[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #93FF00, align: right"]-0.04240975[/TD]
[TD]Syrian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]-0.04202865[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]-0.04193884[/TD]
[TD]Moroccan_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]-0.04185732[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]-0.04182144[/TD]
[TD]Iraqi_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]-0.04178363[/TD]
[TD]Yemenite_Amran[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #95FF00, align: right"]-0.04146349[/TD]
[TD]Yemenite_Dhamar[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #95FF00, align: right"]-0.04145701[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi_Germany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #96FF00, align: right"]-0.04117618[/TD]
[TD]Yemenite_Ma'rib[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #97FF00, align: right"]-0.04081285[/TD]
[TD]BedouinB[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #97FF00, align: right"]-0.04078270[/TD]
[TD]Egyptian[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: Azzurro_scaled
B: Italian_Lombardy
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8900, align: right"]0.04616570[/TD]
[TD]French_Occitanie[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04596957[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Pais_Vasco[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04593070[/TD]
[TD]Basque_French[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04573025[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8B00, align: right"]0.04537104[/TD]
[TD]French_Auvergne[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8D00, align: right"]0.04481222[/TD]
[TD]French_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]0.04440522[/TD]
[TD]Basque_Spanish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]0.04418347[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]0.04409500[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Barcelones[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]0.04403272[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_German[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04372056[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Lleida[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04345644[/TD]
[TD]English_Cornwall[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04336925[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Cantabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]0.04328407[/TD]
[TD]French_Brittany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]0.04310045[/TD]
[TD]French_Nord[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]0.04308457[/TD]
[TD]English[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04285668[/TD]
[TD]French_Paris[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04282876[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Aragon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04274457[/TD]
[TD]Orcadian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04262683[/TD]
[TD]Welsh[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04258209[/TD]
[TD]Scottish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04254835[/TD]
[TD]Belgian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04244068[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Bergamo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04241583[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Pirineu[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04237266[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Catalunya_Central[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Next 2 for you since your Pugliese, Puglia vs Lombardy

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Italian_Apulia
B: Italian_Lombardy
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7EFF00, align: right"]-0.05039380[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Kos[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7FFF00, align: right"]-0.05002065[/TD]
[TD]Cypriot[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #80FF00, align: right"]-0.04991024[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Dodecanese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #80FF00, align: right"]-0.04987424[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #81FF00, align: right"]-0.04958243[/TD]
[TD]Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #81FF00, align: right"]-0.04932296[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #81FF00, align: right"]-0.04926000[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #82FF00, align: right"]-0.04919607[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Christian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #82FF00, align: right"]-0.04896156[/TD]
[TD]Iraqi_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #83FF00, align: right"]-0.04877783[/TD]
[TD]Palestinian_Beit_Sahour[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #84FF00, align: right"]-0.04816992[/TD]
[TD]Karaite_Egypt[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04802114[/TD]
[TD]Romaniote_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04795111[/TD]
[TD]Syrian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04793188[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Muslim[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04771010[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Calabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04770576[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Basilicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04770328[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Central_Anatolia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #87FF00, align: right"]-0.04724583[/TD]
[TD]Samaritan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #87FF00, align: right"]-0.04702269[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Cappadocia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #89FF00, align: right"]-0.04623210[/TD]
[TD]Assyrian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #89FF00, align: right"]-0.04622167[/TD]
[TD]Iranian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8AFF00, align: right"]-0.04596442[/TD]
[TD]Georgian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8AFF00, align: right"]-0.04570986[/TD]
[TD]Armenian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]-0.04559199[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]-0.04541148[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: Italian_Apulia
B: Italian_Lombardy
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8400, align: right"]0.04811817[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Pais_Vasco[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8600, align: right"]0.04762656[/TD]
[TD]Basque_French[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8800, align: right"]0.04659519[/TD]
[TD]Basque_Spanish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8900, align: right"]0.04645296[/TD]
[TD]French_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04607401[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04591461[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Barcelones[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04579097[/TD]
[TD]French_Occitanie[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8C00, align: right"]0.04507768[/TD]
[TD]French_Auvergne[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8C00, align: right"]0.04501614[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Lleida[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8C00, align: right"]0.04498966[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Aragon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8D00, align: right"]0.04486812[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Cantabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]0.04426657[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Navarra[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]0.04422151[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Pirineu[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]0.04417128[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Peri-Barcelona[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]0.04410601[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Catalunya_Central[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04347178[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Girona[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04344095[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Valencia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]0.04328784[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Penedes[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04276611[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04275293[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Cataluna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04267207[/TD]
[TD]French_Paris[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04262469[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04256021[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Castello[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04254226[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Asturias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04220933[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Now me vs Puglia average from G25

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Azzurro_scaled
B: Italian_Apulia
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E3FF00, align: right"]-0.01095705[/TD]
[TD]Berber_MAR_TIZ[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]-0.01078279[/TD]
[TD]Moroccan_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]-0.01061598[/TD]
[TD]Berber_Tunisia_Chen[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]-0.01046510[/TD]
[TD]Saharawi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]-0.01045269[/TD]
[TD]Mozabite[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E5FF00, align: right"]-0.01038683[/TD]
[TD]Berber_MAR_ERR[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E5FF00, align: right"]-0.01035996[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Berber_Tamezret[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E6FF00, align: right"]-0.00993874[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Berber_Matmata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E6FF00, align: right"]-0.00991996[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Berber_Zraoua[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E6FF00, align: right"]-0.00979948[/TD]
[TD]Algerian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E7FF00, align: right"]-0.00960243[/TD]
[TD]Moroccan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E7FF00, align: right"]-0.00955279[/TD]
[TD]Moroccan_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E7FF00, align: right"]-0.00929198[/TD]
[TD]Berber_Tunisia_Sen[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E8FF00, align: right"]-0.00917140[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EAFF00, align: right"]-0.00807193[/TD]
[TD]Berber_Algeria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EBFF00, align: right"]-0.00799620[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Douz[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EBFF00, align: right"]-0.00794973[/TD]
[TD]Libyan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EBFF00, align: right"]-0.00794479[/TD]
[TD]Fulani[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ECFF00, align: right"]-0.00748450[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ECFF00, align: right"]-0.00743965[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Rbaya[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]-0.00686667[/TD]
[TD]Mandenka[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EEFF00, align: right"]-0.00677981[/TD]
[TD]Gambian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EEFF00, align: right"]-0.00677316[/TD]
[TD]Igbo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EEFF00, align: right"]-0.00674689[/TD]
[TD]Esan_Nigeria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EEFF00, align: right"]-0.00671087[/TD]
[TD]Mende_Sierra_Leone[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: Azzurro_scaled
B: Italian_Apulia
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD400, align: right"]0.01675761[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Basilicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD700, align: right"]0.01573005[/TD]
[TD]Circassian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD700, align: right"]0.01572491[/TD]
[TD]Ossetian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD700, align: right"]0.01571614[/TD]
[TD]Kabardin[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01545934[/TD]
[TD]Karachay[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01540089[/TD]
[TD]Adygei[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01529509[/TD]
[TD]Abazin[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01523285[/TD]
[TD]Balkar[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01520394[/TD]
[TD]Ingushian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01520252[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Molise[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01517609[/TD]
[TD]Cherkes[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD900, align: right"]0.01497347[/TD]
[TD]Abkhasian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD900, align: right"]0.01489201[/TD]
[TD]North_Ossetian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD900, align: right"]0.01475707[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]0.01469924[/TD]
[TD]Kumyk[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]0.01468853[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]0.01447690[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_Central[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]0.01432282[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]0.01421947[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Izmir[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]0.01416759[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_Kayseri[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]0.01412351[/TD]
[TD]Georgian_Imer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]0.01410833[/TD]
[TD]Chechen[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]0.01410582[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDC00, align: right"]0.01385643[/TD]
[TD]Azeri_Turkey[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDC00, align: right"]0.01364512[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Trabzon[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
I never said that. I said there could be some levantine via Moors and Saracens. I have insisted that the Imperial era did not bring in transformative waves of near eastern immigration. Which is what this paper shows. You proport to be half-Sicilian. So you would probably have a very small amount of moorish ancestry You and people like you have falsely insisted it is a significant component. When even Anatolian_BA only has 5% levant farmer in them. Also why are you using modern populations to try to deduce that? We already have ancient samples that can provide a more accurate picture. Also, those modern populations are user provided, so they're not even all that reliable. For example, I plot slightly north of Abruzzo with that sample set, and I am closer to them than it's Apulia sample. I'm not by my pc at the moment.
 
Jovialis said:
I never said that. I said there could be some levantine via Moors and Saracens. I have insisted that the Imperial era did not bring in transformative waves of near eastern immigration. Which is what this paper shows. You proport to be half-Sicilian. So you would probably have a very small amount of moorish ancestry You and people like you have falsely insisted it is a significant component. When even Anatolian_BA only has 5% levant farmer in them. Also why are you using modern populations to try to deduce that? We already have ancient samples that can provide a more accurate picture. Also, those modern populations are user provided, so they're not even all that reliable. For example, I plot slightly north of Abruzzo with that sample set, and I am closer to them than it's Apulia sample. I'm not by my pc at the moment.
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Its not only Sicilians, all Italians have some of this ancestry just in varying degrees. I do always score North African, Moorish ancestry is specifically mostly restricted to Sicily and skewed to Western side of the island, you see when I compare myself to Puglia, I have a North African pull vs the pull for Puglia is more Italic and some Caucasus like admix. In terms of component its 3rd to Greek and Native like ancestry, probably anywhere from 5-20%. I used modern just so using all pops we can do the same with ancients if you’d like the result will be the same.

I'll do the exact same 3 but with ancient just to see

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Azzurro_scaled
B: Italian_Lombardy
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #88FF00, align: right"]-0.04654301[/TD]
[TD]England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #89FF00, align: right"]-0.04645886[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Beirut_ERoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]-0.04564379[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Beirut_IAII[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]-0.04546720[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Beirut_IAIII[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]-0.04537057[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Sidon_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8CFF00, align: right"]-0.04524332[/TD]
[TD]Levant_LBN_MA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8CFF00, align: right"]-0.04506587[/TD]
[TD]Levant_LBN_Roman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8CFF00, align: right"]-0.04500486[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Ashkelon_IA2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8CFF00, align: right"]-0.04497101[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Abel_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8DFF00, align: right"]-0.04490149[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Baqah_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8EFF00, align: right"]-0.04416679[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Megiddo_MLBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8FFF00, align: right"]-0.04410870[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Hazor_MLBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8FFF00, align: right"]-0.04400349[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Megiddo_IBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8FFF00, align: right"]-0.04389557[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Ashkelon_LBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8FFF00, align: right"]-0.04387587[/TD]
[TD]Levant_JOR_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #90FF00, align: right"]-0.04352114[/TD]
[TD]SYR_Ebla_EMBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #90FF00, align: right"]-0.04343998[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]-0.04330058[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Shadud_MLBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]-0.04328653[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Alalakh_MLBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]-0.04301334[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #92FF00, align: right"]-0.04283930[/TD]
[TD]Levant_LBN_MA_o3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #92FF00, align: right"]-0.04269086[/TD]
[TD]EGY_Late_Period[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]-0.04186878[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Arslantepe_LC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #95FF00, align: right"]-0.04158253[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Ovaoren_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #96FF00, align: right"]-0.04113304[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Arslantepe_EBA

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: Azzurro_scaled
B: Italian_Lombardy
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8800, align: right"]0.04656284[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04600792[/TD]
[TD]FRA_Grand_Est_EBA_o[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8B00, align: right"]0.04554412[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_North_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8D00, align: right"]0.04488038[/TD]
[TD]FRA_Occitanie_IA2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8D00, align: right"]0.04471355[/TD]
[TD]FRA_Hauts_De_France_IA2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8D00, align: right"]0.04460014[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_FRA_C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8D00, align: right"]0.04452605[/TD]
[TD]CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04355815[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Central_CA_Stp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04352483[/TD]
[TD]DEU_Lech_BBC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04293914[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04292336[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Collegno_MA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04260115[/TD]
[TD]Levant_LBN_MA_o2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04230452[/TD]
[TD]Scotland_LBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04230000[/TD]
[TD]VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04216315[/TD]
[TD]VK2020_GreenlandE_VA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]0.04215560[/TD]
[TD]DEU_Lech_EBA_contam[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]0.04215351[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Northwest_CA_Stp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]0.04203318[/TD]
[TD]VK2020_Faroes_EM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]0.04200165[/TD]
[TD]England_Roman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]0.04190681[/TD]
[TD]DEU_Singen_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]0.04188492[/TD]
[TD]CHE_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]0.04182430[/TD]
[TD]FRA_Grand_Est_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]0.04180018[/TD]
[TD]FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9500, align: right"]0.04172381[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Etruscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9500, align: right"]0.04162954[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_CHE

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Italian_Apulia
B: Italian_Lombardy
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7FFF00, align: right"]-0.05029098[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Rome_Imperial[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #80FF00, align: right"]-0.04979581[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Arslantepe_LC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #80FF00, align: right"]-0.04967688[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Alalakh_MLBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #81FF00, align: right"]-0.04943465[/TD]
[TD]SYR_Ebla_EMBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #81FF00, align: right"]-0.04932819[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Arslantepe_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #82FF00, align: right"]-0.04919046[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Collegno_MA_o1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #82FF00, align: right"]-0.04917313[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Beirut_ERoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #82FF00, align: right"]-0.04910746[/TD]
[TD]Levant_LBN_Roman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #82FF00, align: right"]-0.04894733[/TD]
[TD]Levant_LBN_MA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #82FF00, align: right"]-0.04884040[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Beirut_IAIII[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #84FF00, align: right"]-0.04839711[/TD]
[TD]IND_Roopkund_B_o[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #84FF00, align: right"]-0.04836996[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Sidon_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #84FF00, align: right"]-0.04804477[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Ashkelon_LBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04788977[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04787002[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Ovaoren_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04779643[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Megiddo_MLBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04768597[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Abel_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #86FF00, align: right"]-0.04756779[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #86FF00, align: right"]-0.04749306[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Ashkelon_IA2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #86FF00, align: right"]-0.04746872[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Baqah_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #86FF00, align: right"]-0.04743205[/TD]
[TD]Levant_LBN_MA_o3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #86FF00, align: right"]-0.04731439[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Beirut_IAII[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #87FF00, align: right"]-0.04715215[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Hazor_MLBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #87FF00, align: right"]-0.04707166[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #88FF00, align: right"]-0.04663320[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Titris_Hoyuk_EBA

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: Italian_Apulia
B: Italian_Lombardy
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8700, align: right"]0.04717043[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8800, align: right"]0.04680025[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_North_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]0.04408293[/TD]
[TD]CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]0.04393664[/TD]
[TD]FRA_Occitanie_IA2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]0.04381027[/TD]
[TD]FRA_Hauts_De_France_IA2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]0.04372629[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Central_CA_Stp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04351516[/TD]
[TD]FRA_Grand_Est_EBA_o[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04346890[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]0.04315933[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04285383[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_East_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04248588[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_FRA_C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04239483[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Northwest_CA_Stp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]0.04192815[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Etruscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]0.04192044[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Mallorca_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]0.04191855[/TD]
[TD]CHE_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]0.04180234[/TD]
[TD]DEU_Lech_EBA_contam[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9500, align: right"]0.04168613[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9500, align: right"]0.04138268[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Northeast_RomP[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9600, align: right"]0.04115005[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Menorca_LBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9600, align: right"]0.04105508[/TD]
[TD]DEU_Lech_BBC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9700, align: right"]0.04080975[/TD]
[TD]FRA_Grand_Est_IA1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]0.04057321[/TD]
[TD]FRA_Grand_Est_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]0.04055253[/TD]
[TD]DEU_Singen_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]0.04051532[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_North_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]0.04050144[/TD]
[TD]FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Azzurro_scaled
B: Italian_Apulia
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E1FF00, align: right"]-0.01184459[/TD]
[TD]MAR_LN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E3FF00, align: right"]-0.01098823[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Sardinia_Punic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E3FF00, align: right"]-0.01084036[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]-0.01068713[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Etruscan_o1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]-0.01064138[/TD]
[TD]Canary_Islands_Guanche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]-0.01041249[/TD]
[TD]Levant_LBN_MA_o1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E5FF00, align: right"]-0.01034771[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Sardinia_C_o[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E5FF00, align: right"]-0.01023527[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E5FF00, align: right"]-0.01014421[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Central_CA_Afr[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E6FF00, align: right"]-0.00983191[/TD]
[TD]MAR_EN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E6FF00, align: right"]-0.00974578[/TD]
[TD]MAR_Taforalt[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E9FF00, align: right"]-0.00856199[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Ibiza_Punic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EAFF00, align: right"]-0.00829704[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Grotta_Continenza_N_o[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EBFF00, align: right"]-0.00777278[/TD]
[TD]DEU_Esperstedt_MN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EBFF00, align: right"]-0.00776686[/TD]
[TD]FRA_Occitanie_MN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ECFF00, align: right"]-0.00753677[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ECFF00, align: right"]-0.00740520[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Pinarbasi_HG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]-0.00720464[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Grotta_Continenza_CA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]-0.00719512[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Sardinia_LCA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]-0.00715924[/TD]
[TD]FRA_MN_PRI[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]-0.00713235[/TD]
[TD]FRA_MN_FLR[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]-0.00710924[/TD]
[TD]FRA_Grand_Est_MN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]-0.00709356[/TD]
[TD]IRL_EN_MN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]-0.00708906[/TD]
[TD]England_N[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]-0.00708827[/TD]
[TD]CHE_MN

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: Azzurro_scaled
B: Italian_Apulia
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD600, align: right"]0.01596878[/TD]
[TD]Ostrogothic_Crimea_ACD[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD600, align: right"]0.01594113[/TD]
[TD]IND_Roopkund_B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01539048[/TD]
[TD]ARM_Areni_C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD900, align: right"]0.01496791[/TD]
[TD]RUS_Alan_MA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]0.01467541[/TD]
[TD]UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]0.01449881[/TD]
[TD]RUS_Maykop[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDD00, align: right"]0.01336193[/TD]
[TD]RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDD00, align: right"]0.01330451[/TD]
[TD]Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDD00, align: right"]0.01321084[/TD]
[TD]RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDD00, align: right"]0.01317634[/TD]
[TD]ARM_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDE00, align: right"]0.01301759[/TD]
[TD]RUS_Maykop_Late[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDE00, align: right"]0.01286196[/TD]
[TD]Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDF00, align: right"]0.01270293[/TD]
[TD]RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDF00, align: right"]0.01255068[/TD]
[TD]ARM_Lchashen_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDF00, align: right"]0.01250893[/TD]
[TD]ARM_LBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDF00, align: right"]0.01249805[/TD]
[TD]IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDF00, align: right"]0.01243047[/TD]
[TD]GEO_CHG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]0.01228049[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Barcin_C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]0.01227321[/TD]
[TD]Levant_LBN_MA_o4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]0.01215714[/TD]
[TD]RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]0.01211911[/TD]
[TD]Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]0.01207212[/TD]
[TD]IND_Roopkund_B_o[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]0.01199676[/TD]
[TD]TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE100, align: right"]0.01168996[/TD]
[TD]TUR_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE200, align: right"]0.01156714[/TD]
[TD]Kura-Araxes_RUS_Velikent

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Often I have seen results suggesting Moorish ancestry being within a fraction of a percent in the mainland South. Perhaps, a tad higher in Sicily. Specifically, North African ancestry. However most of the time I see the so-called Near Eastern excess in the south being related to Iran_N. Usually as North Caucasus ancestry. I believe this kind of ancestry was flowing in since the early bronze age and probably earlier, through intermediary populations. Often Southern Italians can be modeled with populations like Minoans, according to our results in Maciamo's sample sets. This makes sense, because I think Anatolian_N with a small but significant amount of CHG, are what pre-italics in the south looked like. Who then mixed with Italics flowing in, as well as Greek colonists, and Iapygians.
 
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Jovialis said:
Often I have seen results suggesting Moorish ancestry being within a fraction of a percent in the mainland South. Perhaps, a tad higher in Sicily. Specifically, North African ancestry. However most of the time I see the so-called Near Eastern excess in the south being related to Iran_N. Usually as North Caucasus ancestry. I believe this kind of ancestry was flowing in since the early bronze age and probably earlier, through intermediary populations. Often Southern Italians can be modeled with populations like Minoans, according to our results in Maciamo's sample sets. This makes sense, because I think Anatolian_N with a small but significant amount of CHG, are what pre-italics in the south looked like. Who then mixed with Italics flowing in, as well as Greek colonists, and Iapygians.
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The bold part I fundamentally agree with you here, and right now the LBA Sicilians look to be Sardinian like, so we'll see for mainland South, but I doubt it vary much, I think Minoan like structure is possible in some of native groups like Oenotrians but we'll have to see. If the results are like Sicily (which I think will be the case), we'll see that Greek colonization was the most important demographic shift in Southern Italy's history. I am not talking about a fraction of a percent but non trivial foundational Levantine admix. North African ancestry is highly different than Levantine btw, I don't know why you equate Moorish ancestry as bringing this in, majority of the people who settled Sicily in this period were Berbers from Algeria and Tunisia. Nothing you are saying is wrong, btw Helladic EBA works even better try it out. Also the Near Eastern 'excess' is much higher than Ancient Greeks or any supposed Neolithic-Bronze Age movements, you need Levantine. Even the chart I showed with all gradients, it is specifically picking Bronze Age and Iron Age Levantines and not Neolithic. Like I've said in the past the uniparental data also supports this, this shouldn't be controversial, this doesn't mean anything crazy either, like I said Native and Greek are 1 and 2 for the most important autosomal structure of Southern Italians.
 
Azzurro said:
The bold part I fundamentally agree with you here, and right now the LBA Sicilians look to be Sardinian like, so we'll see for mainland South, but I doubt it vary much, I think Minoan like structure is possible in some of native groups like Oenotrians but we'll have to see. If the results are like Sicily (which I think will be the case), we'll see that Greek colonization was the most important demographic shift in Southern Italy's history. I am not talking about a fraction of a percent but non trivial foundational Levantine admix. North African ancestry is highly different than Levantine btw, I don't know why you equate Moorish ancestry as bringing this in, majority of the people who settled Sicily in this period were Berbers from Algeria and Tunisia. Nothing you are saying is wrong, btw Helladic EBA works even better try it out. Also the Near Eastern 'excess' is much higher than Ancient Greeks or any supposed Neolithic-Bronze Age movements, you need Levantine. Even the chart I showed with all gradients, it is specifically picking Bronze Age and Iron Age Levantines and not Neolithic. Like I've said in the past the uniparental data also supports this, this shouldn't be controversial, this doesn't mean anything crazy either, like I said Native and Greek are 1 and 2 for the most important autosomal structure of Southern Italians.
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Here we go again with this nonsense: there's no academic studies that show any Levantine_N ancestry in deep south Italy, let alone south Italy as a whole; there is a big problem with user provided samples regarding southern Italians given that they show always, invariably, a lot of discrepancy with the results from professional studies, and the history of Sikeliot's samples and a tour on purported "south Italian" samples from the 23andMe subreddit show that there is enough reason to be weary of what you see passed as "southern Italian" online; it seems really odd to say that "you need a non trivial foundational Levantine admix" in ALL south Italians, and to a minor extent also central Italians, yet no paper up to this date ever showed this, and giving the nature of Italian "penchant" in genetic researches it is really unlikely that if there were no one has yet found it aside from hobbyist in an anthroforum.

As for uniparental, I am curious to see: the J1 and J2 clades present in Italy are largely different from those in the Levant, though I've read on anthrogenica that "almost all J1 clades in Italy are of babylonian-mesopotamian and Levantine origins", and I have seen the same for the J2a clades, but without any source so you see why I am highly skeptical of those claims.

Also, we have no way to gauge the reliability of Helladic EBA because the paper it is supposedly from isn't even out.
 
Azzurro said:
@Jovialis

Riddle me this, that you say there is zero Levantine admixture in Southern and Central Italians

Here is looking at Vahaduo gradients, when comparing two pops, the first showing what pop 1 has more of and the second showing what pop 2 has. I'm half Lucanian and half Sicilian so just to see

Chart 1 me vs Lombardy

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[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Azzurro_scaled
B: Italian_Lombardy
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #87FF00, align: right"]-0.04697202[/TD]
[TD]Palestinian_Beit_Sahour[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]-0.04560101[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8CFF00, align: right"]-0.04506793[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Christian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8CFF00, align: right"]-0.04502367[/TD]
[TD]Libyan_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8FFF00, align: right"]-0.04380057[/TD]
[TD]Samaritan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #90FF00, align: right"]-0.04369960[/TD]
[TD]Palestinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #90FF00, align: right"]-0.04349487[/TD]
[TD]Karaite_Egypt[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #90FF00, align: right"]-0.04342150[/TD]
[TD]Jordanian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #90FF00, align: right"]-0.04335536[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]-0.04331608[/TD]
[TD]Romaniote_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]-0.04330282[/TD]
[TD]Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]-0.04323730[/TD]
[TD]Cypriot[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]-0.04323594[/TD]
[TD]BedouinA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #92FF00, align: right"]-0.04281699[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Muslim[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #93FF00, align: right"]-0.04240975[/TD]
[TD]Syrian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]-0.04202865[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]-0.04193884[/TD]
[TD]Moroccan_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]-0.04185732[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]-0.04182144[/TD]
[TD]Iraqi_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]-0.04178363[/TD]
[TD]Yemenite_Amran[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #95FF00, align: right"]-0.04146349[/TD]
[TD]Yemenite_Dhamar[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #95FF00, align: right"]-0.04145701[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi_Germany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #96FF00, align: right"]-0.04117618[/TD]
[TD]Yemenite_Ma'rib[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #97FF00, align: right"]-0.04081285[/TD]
[TD]BedouinB[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #97FF00, align: right"]-0.04078270[/TD]
[TD]Egyptian[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: Azzurro_scaled
B: Italian_Lombardy
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8900, align: right"]0.04616570[/TD]
[TD]French_Occitanie[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04596957[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Pais_Vasco[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04593070[/TD]
[TD]Basque_French[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04573025[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8B00, align: right"]0.04537104[/TD]
[TD]French_Auvergne[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8D00, align: right"]0.04481222[/TD]
[TD]French_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]0.04440522[/TD]
[TD]Basque_Spanish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]0.04418347[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]0.04409500[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Barcelones[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]0.04403272[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_German[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04372056[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Lleida[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04345644[/TD]
[TD]English_Cornwall[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04336925[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Cantabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]0.04328407[/TD]
[TD]French_Brittany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]0.04310045[/TD]
[TD]French_Nord[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]0.04308457[/TD]
[TD]English[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04285668[/TD]
[TD]French_Paris[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04282876[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Aragon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04274457[/TD]
[TD]Orcadian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04262683[/TD]
[TD]Welsh[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04258209[/TD]
[TD]Scottish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04254835[/TD]
[TD]Belgian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04244068[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Bergamo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04241583[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Pirineu[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04237266[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Catalunya_Central[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Next 2 for you since your Pugliese, Puglia vs Lombardy

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[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Italian_Apulia
B: Italian_Lombardy
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7EFF00, align: right"]-0.05039380[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Kos[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7FFF00, align: right"]-0.05002065[/TD]
[TD]Cypriot[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #80FF00, align: right"]-0.04991024[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Dodecanese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #80FF00, align: right"]-0.04987424[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #81FF00, align: right"]-0.04958243[/TD]
[TD]Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #81FF00, align: right"]-0.04932296[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Druze[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #81FF00, align: right"]-0.04926000[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #82FF00, align: right"]-0.04919607[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Christian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #82FF00, align: right"]-0.04896156[/TD]
[TD]Iraqi_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #83FF00, align: right"]-0.04877783[/TD]
[TD]Palestinian_Beit_Sahour[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #84FF00, align: right"]-0.04816992[/TD]
[TD]Karaite_Egypt[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04802114[/TD]
[TD]Romaniote_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04795111[/TD]
[TD]Syrian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04793188[/TD]
[TD]Lebanese_Muslim[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04771010[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Calabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04770576[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Basilicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]-0.04770328[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Central_Anatolia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #87FF00, align: right"]-0.04724583[/TD]
[TD]Samaritan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #87FF00, align: right"]-0.04702269[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Cappadocia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #89FF00, align: right"]-0.04623210[/TD]
[TD]Assyrian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #89FF00, align: right"]-0.04622167[/TD]
[TD]Iranian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8AFF00, align: right"]-0.04596442[/TD]
[TD]Georgian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8AFF00, align: right"]-0.04570986[/TD]
[TD]Armenian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]-0.04559199[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]-0.04541148[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: Italian_Apulia
B: Italian_Lombardy
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8400, align: right"]0.04811817[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Pais_Vasco[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8600, align: right"]0.04762656[/TD]
[TD]Basque_French[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8800, align: right"]0.04659519[/TD]
[TD]Basque_Spanish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8900, align: right"]0.04645296[/TD]
[TD]French_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04607401[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04591461[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Barcelones[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]0.04579097[/TD]
[TD]French_Occitanie[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8C00, align: right"]0.04507768[/TD]
[TD]French_Auvergne[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8C00, align: right"]0.04501614[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Lleida[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8C00, align: right"]0.04498966[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Aragon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8D00, align: right"]0.04486812[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Cantabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]0.04426657[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Navarra[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]0.04422151[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Pirineu[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]0.04417128[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Peri-Barcelona[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]0.04410601[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Catalunya_Central[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04347178[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Girona[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]0.04344095[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Valencia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]0.04328784[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Penedes[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04276611[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04275293[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Cataluna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04267207[/TD]
[TD]French_Paris[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04262469[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]0.04256021[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Castello[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04254226[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Asturias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]0.04220933[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Now me vs Puglia average from G25

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Azzurro_scaled
B: Italian_Apulia
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E3FF00, align: right"]-0.01095705[/TD]
[TD]Berber_MAR_TIZ[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]-0.01078279[/TD]
[TD]Moroccan_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]-0.01061598[/TD]
[TD]Berber_Tunisia_Chen[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]-0.01046510[/TD]
[TD]Saharawi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]-0.01045269[/TD]
[TD]Mozabite[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E5FF00, align: right"]-0.01038683[/TD]
[TD]Berber_MAR_ERR[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E5FF00, align: right"]-0.01035996[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Berber_Tamezret[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E6FF00, align: right"]-0.00993874[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Berber_Matmata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E6FF00, align: right"]-0.00991996[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Berber_Zraoua[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E6FF00, align: right"]-0.00979948[/TD]
[TD]Algerian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E7FF00, align: right"]-0.00960243[/TD]
[TD]Moroccan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E7FF00, align: right"]-0.00955279[/TD]
[TD]Moroccan_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E7FF00, align: right"]-0.00929198[/TD]
[TD]Berber_Tunisia_Sen[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E8FF00, align: right"]-0.00917140[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EAFF00, align: right"]-0.00807193[/TD]
[TD]Berber_Algeria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EBFF00, align: right"]-0.00799620[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Douz[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EBFF00, align: right"]-0.00794973[/TD]
[TD]Libyan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EBFF00, align: right"]-0.00794479[/TD]
[TD]Fulani[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ECFF00, align: right"]-0.00748450[/TD]
[TD]Spanish_Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ECFF00, align: right"]-0.00743965[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Rbaya[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]-0.00686667[/TD]
[TD]Mandenka[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EEFF00, align: right"]-0.00677981[/TD]
[TD]Gambian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EEFF00, align: right"]-0.00677316[/TD]
[TD]Igbo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EEFF00, align: right"]-0.00674689[/TD]
[TD]Esan_Nigeria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EEFF00, align: right"]-0.00671087[/TD]
[TD]Mende_Sierra_Leone[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: Azzurro_scaled
B: Italian_Apulia
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD400, align: right"]0.01675761[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Basilicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD700, align: right"]0.01573005[/TD]
[TD]Circassian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD700, align: right"]0.01572491[/TD]
[TD]Ossetian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD700, align: right"]0.01571614[/TD]
[TD]Kabardin[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01545934[/TD]
[TD]Karachay[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01540089[/TD]
[TD]Adygei[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01529509[/TD]
[TD]Abazin[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01523285[/TD]
[TD]Balkar[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01520394[/TD]
[TD]Ingushian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01520252[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Molise[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]0.01517609[/TD]
[TD]Cherkes[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD900, align: right"]0.01497347[/TD]
[TD]Abkhasian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD900, align: right"]0.01489201[/TD]
[TD]North_Ossetian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD900, align: right"]0.01475707[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]0.01469924[/TD]
[TD]Kumyk[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]0.01468853[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]0.01447690[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_Central[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]0.01432282[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]0.01421947[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Izmir[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]0.01416759[/TD]
[TD]Turkish_Kayseri[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]0.01412351[/TD]
[TD]Georgian_Imer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]0.01410833[/TD]
[TD]Chechen[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]0.01410582[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDC00, align: right"]0.01385643[/TD]
[TD]Azeri_Turkey[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDC00, align: right"]0.01364512[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Trabzon[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Please do not lie: you are also partially jewish, so you can't claim to be just "half Sicilian half Lucanian" and use your results to show something that is supposed to generalise to all southern and central Italians as a whole. I remember that you said that your Gedrosia K3 results modelled you as 25% yemeni jew: as I have said I do not take the results from online calculator as gospel but yemeni jew is really exotic and if you need 25% in a model, it is safe to say you can't be taken as a good proxy for the average south Italian.
 
@Azzurro

You do not need Levantine to model southern Italians:

eYvORSj.png


iKVk0sJ.png


Also,

Minoan and other Greek populations are best for modeling almost all Italian populations, especially the south. Based on what we are seeing with Maciamo's sample sets.

rxTnKPV.png


Furthermore, they do not have Levantine in them either. Only Anatolian BA had 5%, and that is an average of three. The one of the three used for Raveane et al 2018 did not have the Levantine farmer element in it.

5Q1W5XG.png


Thus, after looking at academic studies, as well as Dodecad k12b, it shows that Southern Italians have a excess of Iran_N, that has been there for a very long time. The so called Levantine admixture, like I said, is in trace amounts.
 
Jovialis said:
@Azzurro

You do not need Levantine to model southern Italians:

eYvORSj.png


iKVk0sJ.png


Also,

Minoan and other Greek populations are best for modeling almost all Italian populations, especially the south. Based on what we are seeing with Maciamo's sample sets.

rxTnKPV.png


Furthermore, they do not have Levantine in them either. Only Anatolian BA had 5%, and that is an average of three. The one of the three used for Raveane et al 2018 did not have the Levantine farmer element in it.

5Q1W5XG.png


Thus, after looking at academic studies, as well as Dodecad k12b, it shows that Southern Italians have a excess of Iran_N, that has been there for a very long time. The so called Levantine admixture, like I said, is in trace amounts.
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To answer your other question

cwt6hgx.png


Levantine populations are distinguished by the affinity to Natufian, which is in the direction of North African populations. This is why Moorish samples from medieval Andalusia pull in the direction of Natufians, and medieval Canaries. This is partly because the pre-print from Lazaridis shows that Natufians emerged as a combination of Ancestral North Africans, and Paleo-Caucasians. Later Levantine populations became pulled closer to Anatolian_N CHG, and even some steppe, due to migrations flowing into the levant from outside sources in later periods. Nevertheless, Natufian (Levantine farmers) are the original and most distinguishing component of what it means to be Levantine. Which is why populations in the near east today are about 1/3 Natufian. (i.e. the brown component)

6B54Hsw.jpg


Here is a PCA using samples from the Antonio et al 2019 paper, along with ultimate source populations. You can see the surviving cohorts, C6 and C7 are far removed from Natufian.

ucaG2pv.png
 
The Ancient Egyptians were about 50% and more Natufian.
 
Good job, Jovialis.

I confess the last page or so of posts is confusing me. Why are the results of someone of mixed Southern Italian and Jewish ancestry being used to conclude anything at all about Southern Italian ancestry?

Also, why is the picture New Englander uses of himself the same picture that was sent to me by Azurro claiming that it was him?

Honestly, I can't keep up with all these sock accounts.

Just to clarify the record, I have always believed, and stated, that the Greek colonization of Southern Italy was large enough that it probably had a significant impact on Southern Italians at least. The Sikiliot/Azurro/anthrogrenica crowd vociferously disagreed, as they disagreed with the statements I made on record here that the pattern of yDna in Southern Italy, especially in terms of the J2 clades, resembled that of Crete, and that perhaps that could be attributed to very early contact between Crete and Southern Italy.

Now, all of a sudden they're on board (although they still refuse to consider any impact from Crete), and don't have the honesty and grace to admit they held a contrary opinion and attacked mercilessly those who believed it probably had an impact.

There's also a deafening silence about the Etruscans, whom they were ABSOLUTELY sure, based on their genetic analyses using Eurogenes calculators, and their awesome linguistic analyses, were mid-first millennium BC migrants straight from Anatolia. They also ignored the caveat I added that any such movement from Anatolia reaching southern Italy might, AFTER the time of the Etruscans, have impacted modern Tuscans.

How many times do people have to be abysmally wrong before you start to doubt their analyses?

Now, once we get all the relevant samples from the Iron Age and the Empire from all the relevant areas, and all the newest mathematical methods are used, and those samples are compared to verified modern Southern Italian samples, it may turn out that there is some percentage of "Natufian" in some areas of Southern Italy and Sicily. The challenge will then be to sort out whether it came with the Moors who ruled Sicily for two hundred years, and some parts of the mainland for some decades (there is some Moorish y dna in Sicily, as there is in Spain and Portugal, for example), or it came with actual Jews or people from, say, Syria, or if it was part of the flow of, say, Anatolian Bronze Age, or from flow from Crete.

I doubt the percentage is very high if it appears at all on the mainland, most probably in the single digits. So, all these fanatics who had been claiming huge percentages of "Levantine" in Southern Italians are going to be just one more instance where these people have been abysmally wrong.
 
Angela said:
Good job, Jovialis.

I confess the last page or so of posts is confusing me. Why are the results of someone of mixed Southern Italian and Jewish ancestry being used to conclude anything at all about Southern Italian ancestry?

Also, why is the picture New Englander uses of himself the same picture that was sent to me by Azurro claiming that it was him?

Honestly, I can't keep up with all these sock accounts.

Just to clarify the record, I have always believed, and stated, that the Greek colonization of Southern Italy was large enough that it probably had a significant impact on Southern Italians at least. The Sikiliot/Azurro/anthrogrenica crowd vociferously disagreed, as they disagreed with the statements I made on record here that the pattern of yDna in Southern Italy, especially in terms of the J2 clades, resembled that of Crete, and that perhaps that could be attributed to very early contact between Crete and Southern Italy.

Now, all of a sudden they're on board (although they still refuse to consider any impact from Crete), and don't have the honesty and grace to admit they held a contrary opinion and attacked mercilessly those who believed it probably had an impact.

There's also a deafening silence about the Etruscans, whom they were ABSOLUTELY sure, based on their genetic analyses using Eurogenes calculators, and their awesome linguistic analyses, were mid-first millennium BC migrants straight from Anatolia. They also ignored the caveat I added that any such movement from Anatolia reaching southern Italy might, AFTER the time of the Etruscans, have impacted modern Tuscans.

How many times do people have to be abysmally wrong before you start to doubt their analyses?

Now, once we get all the relevant samples from the Iron Age and the Empire from all the relevant areas, and all the newest mathematical methods are used, and those samples are compared to verified modern Southern Italian samples, it may turn out that there is some percentage of "Natufian" in some areas of Southern Italy and Sicily. The challenge will then be to sort out whether it came with the Moors who ruled Sicily for two hundred years, and some parts of the mainland for some decades (there is some Moorish y dna in Sicily, as there is in Spain and Portugal, for example), or it came with actual Jews or people from, say, Syria, or if it was part of the flow of, say, Anatolian Bronze Age, or from flow from Crete.

I doubt the percentage is very high if it appears at all on the mainland, most probably in the single digits. So, all these fanatics who had been claiming huge percentages of "Levantine" in Southern Italians are going to be just one more instance where these people have been abysmally wrong.
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Lol I never sent you a picture of myself, I can’t believe you pulled of a lie like this to try and prove i’m sock, its pitiful.
 
Leopoldo Leone said:
Here we go again with this nonsense: there's no academic studies that show any Levantine_N ancestry in deep south Italy, let alone south Italy as a whole; there is a big problem with user provided samples regarding southern Italians given that they show always, invariably, a lot of discrepancy with the results from professional studies, and the history of Sikeliot's samples and a tour on purported "south Italian" samples from the 23andMe subreddit show that there is enough reason to be weary of what you see passed as "southern Italian" online; it seems really odd to say that "you need a non trivial foundational Levantine admix" in ALL south Italians, and to a minor extent also central Italians, yet no paper up to this date ever showed this, and giving the nature of Italian "penchant" in genetic researches it is really unlikely that if there were no one has yet found it aside from hobbyist in an anthroforum.

As for uniparental, I am curious to see: the J1 and J2 clades present in Italy are largely different from those in the Levant, though I've read on anthrogenica that "almost all J1 clades in Italy are of babylonian-mesopotamian and Levantine origins", and I have seen the same for the J2a clades, but without any source so you see why I am highly skeptical of those claims.

Also, we have no way to gauge the reliability of Helladic EBA because the paper it is supposedly from isn't even out.
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Leopoldo, they are not, and mostly the same. The only J1 clade in Italians not shared with Levantines so far is this branch J1-BY94, https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-BY94/. Which represents anywhere from 20-30% of J1 in Southern Italy. Then J1-CTS1460 and J1-PF7263, CTS1460 is likely to be a Kura Araxian marker being heavily found in the Caucausus, then PF7263 origin is still not determined but is equally found in Europe and the Middle East, the remaining half of J1 is found under J1-Z1853 which is the marker of Semitic speakers. Of Z1853 the two most common clades found in Southern Italians and Italians in general are J1-YSC76 and J1-L829. Both are Levantine markers YSC76 has been found in several Levantine sites including Beirut, Hazor, Meggido, etc.

J2 is pretty much the same as J1, except the shift of focus is Anatolia and the Caucasus. But all clades are shared, the main reasons are the movements of all Mediterranean Empires, Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman (in the case of moving to Middle East, I know Italy was never under the Ottomans, this is for shared clades in Aegean moving East). So far from Levant in terms of J2 we have J2b-M205 which is found in Italians mostly in Sicily though, and for now there is J2a-M92 unfortunately the samples weren’t strong enough to get further snp analysis, so we’ll have to see when more samples come out, letting you know M92 is the third most common J2 branch for all Italians. But again we’ll see if it’s all M92 or just a portion like CTS2906 or the PF7412.

It also doesn’t end at J1 and J2, there are other markers like E-M123 branches, E-V22, E-V12, etc... which are not trivial in numbers E-V12, E-V22 and E-M84 usually are over 1% throughout.
 
Leopoldo Leone said:
Please do not lie: you are also partially jewish, so you can't claim to be just "half Sicilian half Lucanian" and use your results to show something that is supposed to generalise to all southern and central Italians as a whole. I remember that you said that your Gedrosia K3 results modelled you as 25% yemeni jew: as I have said I do not take the results from online calculator as gospel but yemeni jew is really exotic and if you need 25% in a model, it is safe to say you can't be taken as a good proxy for the average south Italian.
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I am not lying, the Jewish is Crypto Jewish, not recent practicing Jewish, on my great grandmother’s side and my paternal line is related to the 8th largest Ashkenazi lineage. Its funny because compared to the average from the G25 dataset I actually plot more West than the average Southern Italian because my dna usually needs a little extra Barcin N like ancestry.
 
Jovialis said:
@Azzurro

You do not need Levantine to model southern Italians:

eYvORSj.png


iKVk0sJ.png


Also,

Minoan and other Greek populations are best for modeling almost all Italian populations, especially the south. Based on what we are seeing with Maciamo's sample sets.

rxTnKPV.png


Furthermore, they do not have Levantine in them either. Only Anatolian BA had 5%, and that is an average of three. The one of the three used for Raveane et al 2018 did not have the Levantine farmer element in it.

5Q1W5XG.png


Thus, after looking at academic studies, as well as Dodecad k12b, it shows that Southern Italians have a excess of Iran_N, that has been there for a very long time. The so called Levantine admixture, like I said, is in trace amounts.
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Here let's see if we model with those 4 pops what we get


[TD="class: multiheader, align: center"]Target[/TD]
[TD="class: multiheader, colspan: 2, align: center"]Distance[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]TUR_Barcin_N
[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]WHG
[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Abruzzo[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02262340[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445884, align: right"]9.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #60B0E2, align: right"]62.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #436FAE, align: right"]27.4[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02873368[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #569FD8, align: right"]53.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445783, align: right"]9.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4580C3, align: right"]37.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Apulia[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02505043[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455986, align: right"]10.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #62B2E3, align: right"]63.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #446CAA, align: right"]25.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Basilicata[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02289782[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455A88, align: right"]11.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #61B1E3, align: right"]63.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #446BA8, align: right"]25.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Bergamo[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02661484[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5DABDF, align: right"]60.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557E, align: right"]6.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4278BD, align: right"]33.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Calabria[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02658451[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455D8E, align: right"]14.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #63B3E3, align: right"]64.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4467A0, align: right"]21.8[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Campania[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02496018[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455B8B, align: right"]12.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #63B3E3, align: right"]64.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4469A4, align: right"]23.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Lazio[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02427440[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445680, align: right"]7.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #61B1E2, align: right"]63.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445175, align: right"]2.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #446DAB, align: right"]26.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Liguria[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.03570536[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5CA9DE, align: right"]59.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547B, align: right"]5.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #437CC0, align: right"]35.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Lombardy[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.03122243[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5EADE0, align: right"]60.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44537B, align: right"]5.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #427ABE, align: right"]33.8[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Marche[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02471964[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547B, align: right"]5.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5FAEE1, align: right"]61.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435074, align: right"]2.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4374B6, align: right"]30.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Molise[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02145589[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445782, align: right"]8.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #60AFE1, align: right"]62.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4371B1, align: right"]28.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Northeast[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02464286[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #56A0D9, align: right"]54.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44567F, align: right"]7.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4682C4, align: right"]38.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Piedmont[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02240809[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5DABDF, align: right"]59.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445278, align: right"]4.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #437CC0, align: right"]35.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02424364[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5AA6DC, align: right"]57.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445681, align: right"]8.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #437BBF, align: right"]34.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Tuscany[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01948327[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445177, align: right"]3.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5EADE0, align: right"]61.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445177, align: right"]3.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4277BA, align: right"]32.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Umbria[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01903239[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547C, align: right"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5FAEE1, align: right"]61.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435074, align: right"]2.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4373B5, align: right"]30.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Veneto[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02230888[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5AA7DD, align: right"]57.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557E, align: right"]7.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #437CC0, align: right"]35.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Sicilian_East[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.03216339[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455B8A, align: right"]12.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #62B2E3, align: right"]63.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4468A2, align: right"]22.4[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Sicilian_West[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.03355985[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455C8C, align: right"]13.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5FAEE0, align: right"]61.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44537A, align: right"]4.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44659D, align: right"]20.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Maltese[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.03674313[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455D8E, align: right"]13.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #61B1E3, align: right"]63.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435073, align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44669E, align: right"]21.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Average[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02616324[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547D, align: right"]6.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5EADE0, align: right"]60.9[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445177, align: right"]3.5[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4372B3, align: right"]29.4

[/TD]


Now adding a Levantine, Caucasian source and North African, look at how the fits improve drastically


[TD="class: multiheader, align: center"]Target[/TD]
[TD="class: multiheader, colspan: 2, align: center"]Distance[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Canary_Islands_Guanche
[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Levant_Sidon_MBA
[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]TUR_Barcin_N
[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]WHG
[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Abruzzo[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01544054[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547D, align: right"]6.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44649B, align: right"]19.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4D8FCE, align: right"]45.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435075, align: right"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #446CAA, align: right"]25.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02873368[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #569FD8, align: right"]53.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445783, align: right"]9.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4580C3, align: right"]37.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Apulia[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01661615[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435073, align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445884, align: right"]9.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #45639A, align: right"]19.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4C8ECD, align: right"]44.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435074, align: right"]2.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4468A3, align: right"]22.8[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Basilicata[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01385949[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435073, align: right"]1.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557E, align: right"]6.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44669F, align: right"]21.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4C8DCC, align: right"]44.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435073, align: right"]1.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4469A5, align: right"]23.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Bergamo[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02661484[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5DABDF, align: right"]60.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557E, align: right"]6.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4278BD, align: right"]33.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Calabria[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01607839[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44537A, align: right"]4.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435074, align: right"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445783, align: right"]9.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44649B, align: right"]19.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4B8BCB, align: right"]43.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44659D, align: right"]20.4[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Campania[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01401499[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435074, align: right"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557E, align: right"]7.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #446AA5, align: right"]23.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4A8ACA, align: right"]42.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435073, align: right"]1.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4467A0, align: right"]21.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Lazio[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01944671[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435075, align: right"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44649B, align: right"]19.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5095D2, align: right"]48.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445278, align: right"]3.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #446DAA, align: right"]25.8[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Liguria[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.03363834[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44537B, align: right"]5.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445176, align: right"]3.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #559ED7, align: right"]53.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547C, align: right"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4277BA, align: right"]32.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Lombardy[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.03116513[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5DABDF, align: right"]60.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44537B, align: right"]5.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4279BD, align: right"]33.4[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Marche[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01994673[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435075, align: right"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455F93, align: right"]16.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5197D3, align: right"]49.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445176, align: right"]3.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4372B3, align: right"]29.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Molise[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01591755[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557E, align: right"]7.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #456196, align: right"]17.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4E92CF, align: right"]46.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435074, align: right"]2.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #436EAD, align: right"]26.8[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Northeast[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02464286[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #56A0D9, align: right"]54.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44567F, align: right"]7.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4682C4, align: right"]38.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Piedmont[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02166374[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445379, align: right"]4.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #58A3DA, align: right"]55.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445379, align: right"]4.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #437ABE, align: right"]34.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02424364[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5AA6DC, align: right"]57.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445681, align: right"]8.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #437BBF, align: right"]34.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Tuscany[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01748036[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435073, align: right"]1.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445782, align: right"]8.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #559FD8, align: right"]53.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445278, align: right"]4.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4275B8, align: right"]31.4[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Umbria[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01626847[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435073, align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44537A, align: right"]5.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445885, align: right"]9.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #539BD5, align: right"]51.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445175, align: right"]2.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4372B2, align: right"]29.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Veneto[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02230888[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5AA7DD, align: right"]57.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557E, align: right"]7.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #437CC0, align: right"]35.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Sicilian_East[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02031225[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445379, align: right"]4.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445884, align: right"]9.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4468A3, align: right"]22.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4885C7, align: right"]40.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445176, align: right"]3.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44649B, align: right"]19.8[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Sicilian_West[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02116545[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44567F, align: right"]7.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445681, align: right"]8.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4467A0, align: right"]21.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4581C3, align: right"]37.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547C, align: right"]5.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #45639A, align: right"]19.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Maltese[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01421510[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455B89, align: right"]12.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445176, align: right"]3.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4468A2, align: right"]22.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4681C4, align: right"]38.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4467A0, align: right"]21.8[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Average[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02065587[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•
[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435074, align: right"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.3[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445278, align: right"]3.9[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455A89, align: right"]11.7[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5197D3, align: right"]49.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445278, align: right"]4.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4371B0, align: right"]28.3[/TD]
 
I have already demonstrated that Middle Bronze age levant has significant amounts of CHG, and Anatolian_N. As well as south eastern European, and Greek influences.


Also, even Davidski said the modern populations are not reliable for his calculator, because they are user submitted.


Furthermore, the examples I have provided coincide with academic sources, like Sarno et al. 2021. Thus, I think 19%-22% Levant is preposterous, not to mention it takes all of the CHG/IN from an ultimate source population, from Iran_N in that modeling. I don't think using those sample sets are sound.
 
I wonder what is the old Greek component of Sicilians. Earlier on I gave 40% to 50% as an assumption.
 
Jovialis said:
I have already demonstrated that Middle Bronze age levant has significant amounts of CHG, and Anatolian_N. As well as south eastern European, and Greek influences.


Also, even Davidski said the modern populations are not reliable for his calculator, because they are user submitted.


Furthermore, the examples I have provided coincide with academic sources, like Sarno et al. 2021. Thus, I think 19%-22% Levant is preposterous, not to mention it takes all of the CHG/IN from an ultimate source population, from Iran_N in that modeling. I don't think using those sample sets are sound.
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Here this likely more in line with the truth


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[TD="class: multiheader, colspan: 2, align: center"]Distance[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Canary_Islands_Guanche[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Corded_Ware_DEU[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]IRN_Seh_Gabi_LN[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]ITA_Grotta_Continenza_N[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Levant_Natufian[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]WHG[/TD]

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[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455C8C, align: right"]13.2[/TD]
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[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
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[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4D90CF, align: right"]46.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445278, align: right"]4.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Apulia[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02084633[/TD]
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[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
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[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #549BD6, align: right"]51.8[/TD]
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[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Basilicata[/TD]
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[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
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[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #539AD5, align: right"]51.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547B, align: right"]5.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Bergamo[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01498310[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.6[/TD]
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[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435073, align: right"]1.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #559ED7, align: right"]53.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435074, align: right"]2.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Calabria[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02307626[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435074, align: right"]2.0[/TD]
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[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #456196, align: right"]17.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #539AD5, align: right"]51.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547B, align: right"]5.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Campania[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01868658[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #446CAA, align: right"]25.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #456093, align: right"]16.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #539AD5, align: right"]51.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557E, align: right"]7.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Lazio[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01716958[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4277BA, align: right"]32.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455986, align: right"]10.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #549CD6, align: right"]52.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44537A, align: right"]5.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Liguria[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02613282[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547D, align: right"]6.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4B8BCB, align: right"]43.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435074, align: right"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4E92D0, align: right"]47.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Lombardy[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01875623[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4B8CCC, align: right"]43.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #549DD7, align: right"]52.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.8[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Marche[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01678414[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #447EC1, align: right"]36.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445783, align: right"]9.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5298D4, align: right"]50.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44537A, align: right"]5.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Molise[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01789744[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4275B8, align: right"]31.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455D8D, align: right"]13.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #539AD5, align: right"]51.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445278, align: right"]4.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Northeast[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01619406[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5198D3, align: right"]49.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4D90CE, align: right"]45.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435175, align: right"]2.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Piedmont[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01311654[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4A89CA, align: right"]42.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445279, align: right"]4.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5298D4, align: right"]50.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #435175, align: right"]2.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.8[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01395139[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4C8ECD, align: right"]45.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5197D3, align: right"]49.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445277, align: right"]3.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Tuscany[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01170206[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4783C5, align: right"]38.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557E, align: right"]6.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #539AD5, align: right"]51.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445176, align: right"]3.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Umbria[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01373964[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #437CC0, align: right"]35.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445885, align: right"]10.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #549BD6, align: right"]51.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445176, align: right"]3.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Veneto[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01301464[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4B8CCC, align: right"]43.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445175, align: right"]2.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5298D4, align: right"]50.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445176, align: right"]3.2[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Sicilian_East[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02314748[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #436FAE, align: right"]27.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455D8E, align: right"]14.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5197D3, align: right"]49.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445782, align: right"]8.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Sicilian_West[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01973300[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445379, align: right"]4.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4371B2, align: right"]28.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455B8A, align: right"]12.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4D90CE, align: right"]45.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445680, align: right"]7.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.8[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Maltese[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01707106[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445781, align: right"]8.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #446DAA, align: right"]25.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455C8C, align: right"]13.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4B8DCC, align: right"]44.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445782, align: right"]8.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Average[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.01767375[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.1[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #447DC1, align: right"]35.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445782, align: right"]8.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5198D3, align: right"]49.7[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445278, align: right"]3.9[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.9[/TD]
 
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