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Duarte said:
Hi @PT

I am following Angela's advice. I agree with her. The best calculator available today for amateurs is the Dodecad K12b. Reliable data sources can be used (eupedia team - ancient populations) and original spreadsheet for modern populations (1000 genomes, Dienekes and HGDP) . It’s just the user customize the data source. Easy. Cheers.:good_job:
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No, I agree, Dodecad 12B is my best, as I noted, and in general, all the Dodecad for me do better for me as well.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
No, I agree, Dodecad 12B is my best, as I noted, and in general, all the Dodecad for me do better for me as well.
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I think Dodecad12b is good for Italians but not for me. I think Eurogenes K13 is better for me.
 
bigsnake49 said:
I think Dodecad12b is good for Italians but not for me. I think Eurogenes K13 is better for me.
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Eurogenes K13 works well for me also. It maybe because I am in the midle of way, between the south and north Europe, I don’t know. Stuvanè once said in an Eupedia thread that Dodecad tends to play in south and Eurogenes tends to play in the north. I agree. Individually, each must look for the best calculator to research its ethnics components accordind its known ancestry and already attested by more than one commercial DNA company and according with known family history. It is always good to have a road to start walking. Without reference it is difficult to choose a path to follow.
 
Dodecad K12b Ancient

Italy_Apulia vs Italy_Salento_Apulia (me) :)

r7AZogY.jpg



mv27gsb.jpg



lTPHIT0.jpg
 
Target Salento, added on Source the main dod K12b upd. Apulian sample:

eBbMUIn.jpg


...out of curiosity, ... the opposite:
Target: Apulian Sample,
added Salento (me) on Source :)

yF649Sd.jpg
 
Salento said:
Target Salento, added on Source the main dod K12b upd. Apulian sample:

eBbMUIn.jpg


...out of curiosity, ... the opposite:
Target: Apulian Sample,
added Salento (me) on Source :)

yF649Sd.jpg
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Plagiarizing Salento's post :good_job:

"Target Duarte, added on Source the main dod K12b upd. Portuguese sample":

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Duarte[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A5FF00, align: right"]4.86428823[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D6FF00, align: right"]6.29654667[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E8FF00, align: right"]6.83142738[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F3FF00, align: right"]7.15328596[/TD]
[TD]EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FCFF00, align: right"]7.40270896[/TD]
[TD]I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE(PortugueseCordobaCaliphate)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFE00, align: right"]7.51741312[/TD]
[TD]I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE(PortugueseCordobaCaliphate)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF500, align: right"]7.79453013[/TD]
[TD]R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF200, align: right"]7.87062895[/TD]
[TD]Roman-SoldierFN_2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEF00, align: right"]7.96743999[/TD]
[TD]EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEE00, align: right"]7.98827891[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE400, align: right"]8.29628230[/TD]
[TD]MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]8.57093927[/TD]
[TD]CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]8.65500433[/TD]
[TD]I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE(RomanVillaGranadaSpain)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD300, align: right"]8.79383307[/TD]
[TD]I7675_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES(CaroligianSettlementBarcelona)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD100, align: right"]8.85043502[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCC00, align: right"]8.99556557[/TD]
[TD]R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC700, align: right"]9.14401444[/TD]
[TD]I2215_Malak_Preslavets[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC600, align: right"]9.16999455[/TD]
[TD]R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBA00, align: right"]9.54338514[/TD]
[TD]I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB500, align: right"]9.68139453[/TD]
[TD]R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB400, align: right"]9.70848598[/TD]
[TD]CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_CarthagoAl-AndalusAlhamaDeGranada_I7457[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB200, align: right"]9.77754570[/TD]
[TD]I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE(SpaniardCordobaCaliphate)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB200, align: right"]9.77754570[/TD]
[TD]SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAF00, align: right"]9.85898575[/TD]
[TD]France_BA_NIED[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA700, align: right"]10.09213060[/TD]
[TD]GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_Roman-EraEmpuries_I10866[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

...out of curiosity, ... the opposite:
Target: Portuguese Sample,
added Duarte (me) on Source :)

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Portuguese[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6FFF00, align: right"]3.26782802[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #91FF00, align: right"]4.27106544[/TD]
[TD]I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE(PortugueseCordobaCaliphate)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9BFF00, align: right"]4.57012035[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A3FF00, align: right"]4.80435219[/TD]
[TD]EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A5FF00, align: right"]4.86428823[/TD]
[TD]Duarte[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B9FF00, align: right"]5.43911758[/TD]
[TD]R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C0FF00, align: right"]5.65461758[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D3FF00, align: right"]6.21005636[/TD]
[TD]I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE(PortugueseCordobaCaliphate)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E2FF00, align: right"]6.63425203[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]6.70707835[/TD]
[TD]Roman-SoldierFN_2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E7FF00, align: right"]6.79270197[/TD]
[TD]I7675_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES(CaroligianSettlementBarcelona)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F2FF00, align: right"]7.11456956[/TD]
[TD]I2215_Malak_Preslavets[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F4FF00, align: right"]7.18000696[/TD]
[TD]CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F6FF00, align: right"]7.22614005[/TD]
[TD]R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FEFF00, align: right"]7.45810298[/TD]
[TD]I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF900, align: right"]7.68918071[/TD]
[TD]I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE(SpaniardCordobaCaliphate)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF900, align: right"]7.68918071[/TD]
[TD]SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF700, align: right"]7.74692197[/TD]
[TD]MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF200, align: right"]7.89067171[/TD]
[TD]R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF200, align: right"]7.89195793[/TD]
[TD]R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF000, align: right"]7.93381371[/TD]
[TD]I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEC00, align: right"]8.06125300[/TD]
[TD]Collegno94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEC00, align: right"]8.06804189[/TD]
[TD]R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE900, align: right"]8.13520743[/TD]
[TD]I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE(RomanVillaGranadaSpain)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE900, align: right"]8.16170325[/TD]
[TD]EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
@Duarte ... Interesting comparison between us, a main modern geographical sample, and the ancients :good_job:
 
For some reason, I started dying laughing when hearing about some European lost in Zanzibar. He's 6.42929234 from me.
 
Hi!

Anyone can explain me what "ADD DIST COL" stands for?

Or at least what type of calculation does...

Thanks!
 
gabbobler said:
For some reason, I started dying laughing when hearing about some European lost in Zanzibar. He's 6.42929234 from me.
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Zanzibar was a Portuguese trading post .............But, it was the centre of Arab slave traders that sent african slaves to the arabian peninsula and beyond to sale.

The Portuguese did run their slavery nearby Mafia Island ...from between 1500 to 1600.

Arabs of Oman took it from the Portuguese until 1890 when the Germans took control of the island

So there could be portuguese in that area
 
Mdlp k11

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Macin[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #36FF00, align: right"]1.59204271[/TD]
[TD]Unetice_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #80FF00, align: right"]3.75808462[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_LN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9BFF00, align: right"]4.54916476[/TD]
[TD]British_AngloSaxon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9EFF00, align: right"]4.65682295[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Czech[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C0FF00, align: right"]5.64202091[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_MN_B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1FF00, align: right"]5.67373775[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CDFF00, align: right"]6.02457467[/TD]
[TD]Halberstadt_LBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CFFF00, align: right"]6.09918027[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D2FF00, align: right"]6.16560622[/TD]
[TD]BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DAFF00, align: right"]6.41223830[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_LBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]6.98151846[/TD]
[TD]Alberstedt_LN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F5FF00, align: right"]7.19118905[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Germany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F5FF00, align: right"]7.21198308[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF700, align: right"]7.73476567[/TD]
[TD]British_IronAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF300, align: right"]7.86340893[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Estonia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD900, align: right"]8.61407569[/TD]
[TD]British_Celtic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD100, align: right"]8.84008484[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_BattleAxe[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7D00, align: right"]11.32465894[/TD]
[TD]Irish_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6C00, align: right"]11.83676476[/TD]
[TD]Unetice_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5300, align: right"]12.55085256[/TD]
[TD]Poltavka_MBA_outlier[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3300, align: right"]13.51202427[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3100, align: right"]13.56069688[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2100, align: right"]14.01696115[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0040, align: right"]16.87909062[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_LBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0064, align: right"]17.93227816[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
K15

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Macin[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E8FF00, align: right"]6.81389023[/TD]
[TD]Sunghir6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0600, align: right"]14.81285253[/TD]
[TD]EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000B, align: right"]15.33020548[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0232[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001E, align: right"]15.87000315[/TD]
[TD]EarlyBA_PL_N17[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0041, align: right"]16.91796383[/TD]
[TD]MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0068, align: right"]18.04417912[/TD]
[TD]NeolithicUkraine_I1736[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0070, align: right"]18.29519062[/TD]
[TD]Ajvide58(Sweden)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0076, align: right"]18.45767320[/TD]
[TD]HallstattCelt_DA112[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0080, align: right"]18.76276366[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Corded_Ware_CHE_MX190[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0093, align: right"]19.32811941[/TD]
[TD]Andronovo_RISE505[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B3, align: right"]20.27363559[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Corded_Ware_CHE_MX198[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B5, align: right"]20.30993107[/TD]
[TD]Motala_12(Sweden)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00BF, align: right"]20.61313174[/TD]
[TD]Andronovo_RISE500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C5, align: right"]20.80417026[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Corded_Ware_CHE_MX189[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00CC, align: right"]20.99670688[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Corded_Ware_CHE_MX191[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D7, align: right"]21.32157827[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Corded_Ware_CHE_MX188_rel190[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00DF, align: right"]21.56570657[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_CHE_FN_contaminated_MX298[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E8, align: right"]21.82810574[/TD]
[TD]BeakerBritain_I2443[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F1, align: right"]22.09587744[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_FRA_Lingolsheim_FN_steppe_SX32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F5, align: right"]22.21226238[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_RISE395[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FC, align: right"]22.40854748[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Corded_Ware_CHE_MX195_rel192_197[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FC, align: right"]22.41335762[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_CHE_FN_steppe_MX304[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F700FF, align: right"]22.72938407[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_DEU_Singen_EIA_MX265[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F700FF, align: right"]22.73274071[/TD]
[TD]CheddarMan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F100FF, align: right"]22.91215180[/TD]
[TD]BR2_Hungary

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
K15 updated Modern
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Macin[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #87FF00, align: right"]3.97929642[/TD]
[TD]Polish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #89FF00, align: right"]4.03086839[/TD]
[TD]Polish_Kielce[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BEFF00, align: right"]5.60289211[/TD]
[TD]Belorussian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1FF00, align: right"]5.67354387[/TD]
[TD]Estonian_Polish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C2FF00, align: right"]5.69496269[/TD]
[TD]Polish_Masuria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CAFF00, align: right"]5.94129615[/TD]
[TD]Estonian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DDFF00, align: right"]6.49609883[/TD]
[TD]South_Polish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E4FF00, align: right"]6.69431102[/TD]
[TD]Ukrainian_Kiev_Avg[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E9FF00, align: right"]6.84276991[/TD]
[TD]Russian_Smolensk[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F1FF00, align: right"]7.07617835[/TD]
[TD]Ukraine_East[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F6FF00, align: right"]7.24127061[/TD]
[TD]Southwest_Russian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F7FF00, align: right"]7.26731725[/TD]
[TD]Sorb_Lusatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEF00, align: right"]7.98451000[/TD]
[TD]Ukrainian_Lviv[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE400, align: right"]8.29220116[/TD]
[TD]Lithuanian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDE00, align: right"]8.48199859[/TD]
[TD]Ukrainian_Belgorod[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB100, align: right"]9.79550223[/TD]
[TD]RU_Pinega[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA200, align: right"]10.24285374[/TD]
[TD]Latvian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]10.64541216[/TD]
[TD]Kargopol_Russian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]10.68000188[/TD]
[TD]Slovak[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7000, align: right"]11.70953458[/TD]
[TD]East_Finnish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6000, align: right"]12.17042727[/TD]
[TD]Finnish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5600, align: right"]12.46839204[/TD]
[TD]Czech[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3800, align: right"]13.34574089[/TD]
[TD]Southwest_Finnish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2800, align: right"]13.81866491[/TD]
[TD]Croatian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2700, align: right"]13.86170624[/TD]
[TD]North_Croat

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
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