R1B-U152-Z56 Phylogenetic tree

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R1b-U152-Z56-BY3957
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Hey Moderators


Is it okay if you guys can start a Z56 phylogenetic tree please? ;)

As familytreedna progress through our ydna reasearch, we get more detailed results; same is the case for Ydna U152-Z56. It appears that some subclades; like my Ydna BY3957 and it?s ancestors were already established in the British Isles; or at least in Northern France around the same time the Italic tribes took over Italy; specifically R1B-Z71 subclades.
Paradoxingly, no one in Pre-Roman Britain has tested positive for R1B-Z56 as of yet.

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Source for quote: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#S28-U152
R1b-U152 would have entered Italy in successive waves from the northern side of the Alps, starting in 1700 BCE with the establishment of the Terramare culture in the Po Valley. From 1200 BCE, a larger group of Hallstatt-derived tribes founded the Villanova culture (see below). This is probably the migration that brought the Italic-speaking tribes to Italy, who would have belonged mainly the Z56 clade of R1b-U152.



As you can see below, Z71 is concentrated in the United Kingdom and therefore it?s unlikely that Ydna R1B-Z71 was solely descended from Italic tribes; I also posted a picture of Eupedia?s current U152 phylogenetic tree on the bottom of this paragraph. I also included multiple posts to organize R1B-Z71?s different subclades for the Moderator?s convenience.
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Question:
- Could the British R1B-Z71 community be directly descended from the LaTene Culture instead?
Roman Auxiliaries or Iron-Age migrants from Hallstatt Culture perhaps?

- Were there some R1B-Z71 subclades that appear uprooted from Roman-Italia into Britannia?

- Are the German and French R1B-Z71 community descended from Italic Tribes or Gaulish LaTene Tribes?


R-Z145/Z71 grand total

56 United Kingdom, 15 Italy, 4 Germany, 4 France, 2 Italo-Roman Samples,
9 United States/Latin America/Australia


R-Z145/Z71?s age corresponds to about 1800 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2491 and 1253 BCE.

Thanks so much in advanced

PS: I felt like I was singing the 12 days of Christmas posting these, lol. :D Kudos to Maciamo for all of the hard work for the past 20 years.



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R-Z145; aka Z71?s age corresponds to about 1800 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2491 and 1253 BCE.
Sources: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-Z145/story
[url]https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z145/[/URL]
[h=2][/h][h=2]R-BY204154; descended from R-Z145/Z71[/h]1 Dominican Republic, 1 Scotland


R-BY204154?s age corresponds to about 1000 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2571 BCE and 60 CE.



[h=2]R-BY1823; descended from R-Z145/Z71[/h]55 United Kingdom, 15 Italy, 6 United States, 4 Germany, 4 France, 2 Italo-Roman Samples, 1 Columbia, 1 Australia


R-BY1823?s age corresponds to about 1500 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2133 and 982 BCE.



 
R-BY1823?s age corresponds to about 1500 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2133 and 982 BCE.
[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]Source: [/FONT]https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-BY1823/story[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif][/FONT]



[h=2]R-BY3951; descended from R-BY1823[/h]9 Italy, 6 England, 2 France, 1 Scotland, 1 Germany


R-BY3951?s age corresponds to about 1400 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2221 and 733 BCE.


[h=2]R-PH2982; descended from R-BY1823[/h]2 Ancient remains from Roma, Italy according to Yfull; one dated between (550 BC-150 BC) and another from (450 AD-650 AD)
Source: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH2982/



[h=2]R-BY28794; descended from R-BY1823[/h]
48 United Kingdom, 6 Eastern European Jew, 6 Italy, 6 United States, 3 Germany, 2 France, 1 Columbia, 1 Australia

R-BY28794?s age corresponds to about 1500 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2077 and 923 BCE.





 
R-BY28794?s age corresponds to about 1500 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2077 and 923 BCE.[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]Source: [/FONT]https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-BY28794/story[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif][/FONT]

[h=2][/h][h=2]R-BY41133; descended from R-BY28794[/h]3 England, 2 France, 1 Italy, 1 Netherlands, 1 United States


R-BY41133?s age[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif] [/FONT]corresponds to about 1100 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2030 and 385 BCE.


[h=2]R-FT200181; descended from R-BY28794[/h]2 Italy


R-FT200181?s age corresponds to about 150 CE with a 95% probability he was born between 978 BCE and 922 CE.


[h=2]R-PF6582; descended from R-BY28794[/h]45 United Kingdom, 6 Eastern European Jew, 6 United States, 4 Italy, 3 Germany, 2 France, 1 Columbia, 1 Australia


R-PF6582?s age corresponds to about 1300 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1914 and 791 BCE.







 
R-PF6582?s age corresponds to about 1300 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1914 and 791 BCE.
[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]Source: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-PF6582/story[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]
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[h=2]R-FT175546; descended from R-PF6582[/h]2 United States, 1 Italy


R-FT175546?s age corresponds to about 1200 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2484 and 229 BCE.


[h=2]R-PF6577; descended from R-PF6582[/h]



45 United Kingdom, 6 Eastern European Jew, 4 United States, 3 Italy, 3 Germany, 2 France, 1 Columbia, 1 Australia.


R-PF6577?s age corresponds to about 1100 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1684 and 621 BCE.




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R-PF6577?s age corresponds to about 1100 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1684 and 621 BCE.[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]Source: [/FONT]https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-PF6577/story[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]
[/FONT][h=2]R-FT303192; descended from R-PF6577[/h]
1 United Kingdom, 1 Italy


R-FT303192?s age corresponds to about 900 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2064 and 34 BCE.


[h=2]R-FGC39850; descended from R-PF6577[/h]
[h=2]2 Italy, 1 United States[/h]R-FT303192?s age corresponds to about 800 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1843 BCE and 28 CE.


[h=2]R-BY82038; descended from R-PF6577[/h]2 France, 1 Germany, 1 Australia, 1 United States


R-BY82038?s age corresponds to about 1100 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2083 and 302 BCE.


[h=2]R-BY3953; descended from R-PF6577[/h]
44 United Kingdom, 6 Eastern European Jew, 3 Swiss, 2 Germany, 2 United States, 1 Columbia


R-BY3953?s age corresponds to about 1000 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1542 and 498 BCE.








 
R-BY3953?s age corresponds to about 1000 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1542 and 498 BCE.
[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]Source: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-BY3953/story[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif][/FONT][h=2]R-Y39092; descended from R-BY3953:[/h]
3 England, 2 American


R-Y39092?s age corresponds to about 850 CE with a 95% probability he was born between 287 and 1240 CE.

[h=2]R-BY109876; descended from R-BY3953[/h]5 England


R-BY109876?s age corresponds to about 1500 CE with a 95% probability he was born between 1242 and 1659 C


[h=2]R-FTA87063; descended from R-BY3953[/h]2 Swiss

R-FTA87063?s age corresponds to about 1800 CE with a 95% probability he was born between 1692 and 1941 CE.


[h=2]R-BY77185; descended from R-BY3953[/h]1 Columbia, 1 German


R-BY77185?s age corresponds to about 700 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2148 BCE and 356 CE.


[h=2]R-FGC36897; descended from R-BY3953[/h]

36 United Kingdom, 6 Eastern European Jew, 1 Italian, 1 Swiss, 1 German


R-FGC36897?s age corresponds to about 900 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1442 and 406 BCE.









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R-FGC36897

36 United Kingdom, 6 Eastern European Jew, 1 Italian, 1 Swiss, 1 German

R-FGC36897?s age corresponds to about 900 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1442 and 406 BCE.

Source: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-FGC36897/story











R1B-FGC36903 Subclades; descended from

R-FGC36897

Source: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-FGC36903/story

R-FGC48672: Exclusively United Kingdom; 34 testers

FGC48672?s age corresponds to about 750 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1312 and 291 BCE.


R-BY187690: Eastern European Jews; 6 testers

R-FGC48672?s age
corresponds to about 100 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 858 BCE and 448 CE.




R1B-FGC36903?s minor subclades


R-A14978: 1 Brazilian-Italian and 1 German

A14978?s age corresponds to about 500 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1637 BCE and 367 CE.



R-BY39237 1 Scotland and 1 Swiss

BY39237?s age corresponds to about 650 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1961 BCE and 324 CE.
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R-BY205549; descended from FGC36897:

1 England, 1 Germany
R-BY205549?s age corresponds to about 600 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2010 BCE and 402 CE.









 
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