Map of R1a for ethnic Serbs in Serbia and Republic of Srpska

[hrvat22]

I'm afraid that I did not understand your question.

Do you sugest that Serbs from Croatia and Bosnia which are R1a-Z280 are of Croatian origin?

You said

Serbs from Kordun, Banija and Bosanska Krajina have more Z280

but R1a Z280 is old around 4500 years, which specifically branches and subclades of the same they bring to Croatia and from where?

After you answer we will see whether these branches and subclades are autochthonous in Croatia ie. Croatian origin or they are from Serbia. For that reason your claim that

Serbs from krajina which are R1a or any other haplogroup are not of Croatian origin, deal with it.

is not based on evidence and it is untrue.

 

[Bachus]

You said

but R1a Z280 is old around 4500 years, which specifically branches and subclades of the same they bring to Croatia and from where?

After you answer we will see whether these branches and subclades are autochthonous in Croatia ie. Croatian origin or they are from Serbia. For that reason your claim that


is not based on evidence and it is untrue.

That is true Serbs from Bosanska Krajina and Banija have more Z280 than M458, and Serbs from Lika have more M458 than Z280.

Among Serbs from Bosanska Krajina, Lika and Banija sub-branches of Z280 are Y2613, YP237, YP4278 and Y2902, look here [video]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HUSlmKRESVe4eVWIB7awj72nygKQvww5LWek5M-TMns/edit#gid=1265546096[/video]

 

[hrvat22]

That is true Serbs from Bosanska Krajina and Banija have more Z280 than M458, and Serbs from Lika have more M458 than Z280.

Among Serbs from Bosanska Krajina, Lika and Banija sub-branches of Z280 are Y2613, YP237, YP4278 and Y2902, look here [video]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HUSlmKRESVe4eVWIB7awj72nygKQvww5LWek5M-TMns/edit#gid=1265546096[/video]

Ok, for now we do not know from where and when this sub-branches come to Croatia, for that reason your clame

Serbs from krajina which are R1a or any other haplogroup are not of Croatian origin, deal with it.

is not true. This does not mean that in the future it will not be true, this is for now.

However only on the basis of these sub-branches Y2613, YP237 and Y2902 we can assume that people with these sub-branches do not come from Serbia or with Serbs to Croatia because in Serbia prevail other sub-branches of R1a.

There is also this proof from Eupedia

Serbian R1a belongs for the most part to a young clade of CTS1211 (Y33>CTS8816>Y3300>Y5647>YP611>YP3987>YP3992 subclade; TMRCA 950 years), with a minority of older M458 (CTS11962>L1029 subclade; TMRCA 2200 years) and Z92 (Y4459>YP617 subclade; TMRCA 3400 years). Croatian R1a falls almost exclusively within CTS1211, but to another clade (Y35>CTS3402>Y2613>Y2608 subclade, TMRCA 1950 years), with a small minority of YP340>P278.2 (TMRCA 2100 years).

as well and evidence from a public database. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1a?iframe=ymap

If at this moment your statement was true then and all Croatians with these sub-branches Y2613, YP237 and Y2902 are Serbian origin and that is not possible because Croats do not come from Serbia to Balkans. Unless you have other information from where this sub-branches Y2613, YP237 and Y2902 in Croatian Serbians come to Croatia or where descendants of his ancestors are in Serbia.

 

[Bachus]

However only on the basis of these sub-branches Y2613, YP237 and Y2902 we can assume that people with these sub-branches do not come from Serbia or with Serbs to Croatia because in Serbia prevail other sub-branches of R1a.

Evidence that sub-branches Y2613, YP23 abd Y2902 does not exist in Serbia, please?

 

[hrvat22]

Evidence that sub-branches Y2613, YP23 abd Y2902 does not exist in Serbia, please?

Today's Serbs have been populated and from Lika, Dalmata etc., it is possible and that these branches also came with Slavs to the wider Balkan area but supposedly Serbs are coming to Croatia before 300, 200 years and this sub-branches Y2613, YP237 and Y2902 must exist at a higher percentage in Serbia if that migration is true. However in any case descendants of ancestors of peoples (Croatian Serbians) with sub-branches Y2613, YP237 and Y2902 must exist in Serbia, where are they?

 

[Bachus]

Today's Serbs have been populated and from Lika, Dalmata etc., it is possible and that these branches also came with Slavs to the wider Balkan area but supposedly Serbs are coming to Croatia before 300, 200 years and this sub-branches Y2613, YP237 and Y2902 must exist at a higher percentage in Serbia if that migration is true. However in any case descendants of ancestors of peoples (Croatian Serbians) with sub-branches Y2613, YP237 and Y2902 must exist in Serbia, where are they?

Present day Serbia is not same as Serbia in the middle age, borders of present day Serbia were created by Josip Broz Tito in year 1945.
Vast majority of Serbs from Croatia originated from eastern Herzegovina (part of Serbia in the middle age).
Among Herzegovinian Serbs of total R1a most dominant is Z280, which means that Serbs from present day Croatia which are R1a-Z280 came from eastern Herzegovina.

 

[hrvat22]

Present day Serbia is not same as Serbia in the middle age, borders of present day Serbia were created by Josip Broz Tito in year 1945.
Vast majority of Serbs from Croatia originated from eastern Herzegovina (part of Serbia in the middle age).
Among Herzegovinian Serbs of total R1a most dominant is Z280, which means that Serbs from present day Croatia which are R1a-Z280 came from eastern Herzegovina.

Then all the Croats with R1a-Z280 come from eastern Herzegovina. R1a Z280 is old around 4500 years then all Slavs with that subclade are coming from eastern Herzegovina.

I'm asking you

descendants of ancestors of peoples (Croatian Serbians) with sub-branches Y2613, YP237 and Y2902 must exist in Serbia, where are they?

As far as eastern Herzegovina is concerned Croats are mentioned there, where are this Croats today?