J2a in Albanians

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According to the rrenjet project so far, J2a is 14% in Albanians from Tirana, 10% in Lezhe and 11% in Vlore, and 12% for Albanians in Greece. And there are Vlachs who fall into the same subclade or branch I think.

Në trevat më veriore, gjenden po ashtu një mori degësh, duke përfshirë disa nën J2a-M410>M67, mirëpo një përqindje më e lartë se në jug i takon nëndegëve të J2a-M410>L24, sidomos J-L70. J-L70 është ndër degët më të përhapura të J2a në Europë, sidomos në zonat më veriore/qendrore të saj. Ka mundësi që një pjesë e rëndësishme e nëndegëve të saj të jetë përhapur që në parahistori, kurse një pjesë tjetër të jetë përhapur gjatë antikitetit. Përveç rezultateve gegë nga Mirdita, Dibra, Tirana, etj., në këtë degë kemi edhe anëtarë me prejardhje vllahe. Deri tani, lidhjet e zbuluara datojnë kryesisht nga Epoka e Hekurit dhe e Bronzit, por jemi në pritje të zbulimit të pozicionit përfundimtar filogjenetik të vëllazërive të Shëngjinit të Fanit për të pasur siguri më të lartë edhe për linjat më veriore.​
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rrenjet.com/j2a-m410/

It's a Y-DNA generally found among Romanians/Vlachs, Greeks and some specific Albanian regions. Overall it's only 5.9% in Albania though. It could be
bottle neck as in certain specific regions it seems to be found in decent amount but overall overshadowed by the frequency of EV-13, J2b2-L283 and R1b.

They have tested 990 samples from Albania though and only 171 for Kosovo and around 90 for Macedonia.


There is also some J1 found in Albanian lands.


J2a has been found in Ancient Balkans.
 
Not sure which branch exactly but J2a was among the Minoan/Mycenean samples from a paper some years back. Have not researched very much this haplo-group so it might vary from subclade to subclade. Even think I read on fora that J2a has been found to the North of the Balkans in ancient times. So for sure it was a mobile branch.
 
Morina said:
According to the rrenjet project so far, J2a is 14% in Albanians from Tirana, 10% in Lezhe and 11% in Vlore, and 12% for Albanians in Greece. And there are Vlachs who fall into the same subclade or branch I think.



rrenjet.com/j2a-m410/

It's a Y-DNA generally found among Romanians/Vlachs, Greeks and some specific Albanian regions. Overall it's only 5.9% in Albania though. It could be
bottle neck as in certain specific regions it seems to be found in decent amount but overall overshadowed by the frequency of EV-13, J2b2-L283 and R1b.

They have tested 990 samples from Albania though and only 171 for Kosovo and around 90 for Macedonia.


There is also some J1 found in Albanian lands.


J2a has been found in Ancient Balkans.
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J2a is so far the only proven Channelled Ware paternal lineage we have. It was detected in the Late Bronze Age Kyjatice group, the brother group of G?va, in sample BR2 from Hungary, Heves county:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y17946*/

Autosomally this individual was very Central European.

Now we have a second individual from the same subclade from the Hungarian paper, this time from South Western Hungary, a conqueror elite member and clearly predominantely Slavic autosomally. Whether it was brought by Slavs or picked up and integrated in Pannonia, we can't say, probably rather the latter and this would prove for the first time paternal continuity of Channelled Ware lineages in Pannonia.

Are there any Albanians in this specific subclade of J2a? There is at least one from Albania on YFULL.
 
Riverman said:
J2a is so far the only proven Channelled Ware paternal lineage we have. It was detected in the Late Bronze Age Kyjatice group, the brother group of G�va, in sample BR2 from Hungary, Heves county:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y17946*/

Autosomally this individual was very Central European.

Now we have a second individual from the same subclade from the Hungarian paper, this time from South Western Hungary, a conqueror elite member and clearly predominantely Slavic autosomally. Whether it was brought by Slavs or picked up and integrated in Pannonia, we can't say, probably rather the latter and this would prove for the first time paternal continuity of Channelled Ware lineages in Pannonia.

Are there any Albanians in this specific subclade of J2a? There is at least one from Albania on YFULL.
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In my opinion this looks majority roman, channelled ware doesnt have much history with places like portugal, kuwait or palestine
 
Likely a good portion of it is from Greeks.
 
mount123 said:
Aromanians are also a possibility.
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Aromanians are likely descendents of romans and their legionaries, it was definitely initially spread by the romans or prior by the ancient greeks first as mentioned above. However in places like portugal, england, france, germany, even iraq etc it makes more sense that it was spread to these areas by the romans instead of the greeks as they have more and longer history there
 
J Man said:
The brotherhoods in the village of Shengjin in Fan, Mirdite so far are all J2a-L70.
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Hello! Can you elaborate on this "brotherhood"? Are there any sources to read about this brotherhood? I was unable to find anything online.

I am Albanian with J2a-L70 haplogroup according the 23andMe. As far as I know, my paternal line is from Diber and goes back at least six generations. I believe this haplogroup is somewhat rare in Albania and if there is some sort of "brotherhood" whom all are J2a-L70, I am hoping it would open an interesting door to learn more about my paternal line/history.
 
Granzon said:
Hello! Can you elaborate on this "brotherhood"? Are there any sources to read about this brotherhood? I was unable to find anything online.

I am Albanian with J2a-L70 haplogroup according the 23andMe. As far as I know, my paternal line is from Diber and goes back at least six generations. I believe this haplogroup is somewhat rare in Albania and if there is some sort of "brotherhood" whom all are J2a-L70, I am hoping it would open an interesting door to learn more about my paternal line/history.
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By brotherhoods I just mean families. You are right though that overall J2a-L70 is relative rare among Albanians.

Where in Diber do your paternal line ancestors come from?
 
J Man said:
By brotherhoods I just mean families. You are right though that overall J2a-L70 is relative rare among Albanians.

Where in Diber do your paternal line ancestors come from?
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My paternal line is from Peladhi.

Are there any sources available to research about these families that have J2a-L70? Have they done any additional testing to learn their specific haplogroup? I'm guessing that I likely share an ancestor related to them given how rare J2a-L70 is in Albania.
 
Granzon said:
My paternal line is from Peladhi.

Are there any sources available to research about these families that have J2a-L70? Have they done any additional testing to learn their specific haplogroup? I'm guessing that I likely share an ancestor related to them given how rare J2a-L70 is in Albania.
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Hi Granzon are you the same as XDRES? Another user I talked to some time ago with paternals from Peladhi?
 
Archetype0ne said:
Hi Granzon are you the same as XDRES? Another user I talked to some time ago with paternals from Peladhi?
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Hi Archetype0ne! I don't believe so, my cousin told me about this website a while back but his mother's line is from Peladhi, not his father's line (Vlore). Unlikely to be the same person (I don't know his username).
 
Damn Pleadhi be representing on Fora quite heavily. That makes 4 of us now. For a village with like couple of houses nowadays seems like we are overrepresented :D
 
Archetype0ne said:
Damn Pleadhi be representing on Fora quite heavily. That makes 4 of us now. For a village with like couple of houses nowadays seems like we are overrepresented :D
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Did the people from Peladhi ever tell you what their ydna were? Were they J2a-L70 as well? If so, did they happen to tell you their paternal line's religion? Were they Bektashi Muslims?
 
Granzon said:
Did the people from Peladhi ever tell you what their ydna were? Were they J2a-L70 as well? If so, did they happen to tell you their paternal line's religion? Were they Bektashi Muslims?
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I think Peladhi was Bektashi indeed, at least my side of the family certainly was.

About the Y, here on eupedia the person did not. Over at old anthrogenica I can not find the messages anymore, since the forum went down. @Granzon You should write to XDRES here.
 
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