How can IE migration be explained without mentioning Seima Turbino?

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where did ancient greek spiral patterns originate? possibly with chariot?

"A tombstone of a royal tomb in Mykenai, dated around 1500 BC, contains one of the earliest images of a chariot in Greece"
A tombstone of a royal tomb in Mykenai, dated around 1500 BC, contains one of the earliest images of a chariot in Greece.


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The so-called “Golden Ratio"

Vitruvian Man

"The Golden Section was used extensively by Leonardo Da Vinci. Note how all the key dimensions of the room, the table and ornamental shields in Da Vinci’s “The Last Supper” were based on the Golden Ratio, which was known in the Renaissance period as The Divine Proportion."
 
where did Darius originate in ?

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Spirals were Aryan symbols?

1. (1-8.) A great god is Ahuramazda, who created this earth, who created yonder sky, who created man, who created happiness for man, who made Darius king, one king of many, one lord of many.

2. (8-15.) I am Darius the Great King, King of Kings, King of countries containing all kinds of men, King in this great earth far and wide, son of Hystaspes, an Achaemenian, a Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, having Aryan lineage.

3. (15-30.) Darius the King says: By the favor of Ahuramazda these are the countries which I seized outside of Persia; I ruled over them; they bore tribute to me; what was said to them by me, that they did; my law -- that held them firm; Media, Elam, Parthia, Aria, Bactria, Sogdiana, Chorasmia, Drangiana, Arachosia, Sattagydia, Gandara, Sind, Amyrgian Scythians, Scythians with pointed caps, Babylonia, Assyria, Arabia, Egypt, Armenia, Cappadocia, Sardis, Ionia, Scythians who are across the sea, Skudra, petasos-wearing Ionians, Libyans, Ethiopians, men of Maka, Carians.



Sarmatian spirals:
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Золото сарматских вождей

ГМИИ им. А.С. Пушкина показал совершенно потрясающую выставку «Золото сарматских вождей», на которой впервые представлены уникальные памятники Филипповских курганов – наследия кочевников-сарматов из фондов Уфимского федерального исследовательского центра Российской Академии наук (УФИЦ РАН) и…
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Wooden single-plane figures of a deer, bound with gold plates. Gold, silver, wood. Mound No. 1.

Wooden single-plane figures of a deer, bound with gold plates. Gold, silver, wood. Mound No. 1.

The rim of a vessel depicts a rider on a horse. Gold. Mound No. 1. UFITs RAS.

The rim of a vessel depicts a rider on a horse. Gold. Mound No. 1. UFITs RAS.

seima turbino (one spiral, two spirals, three spiral combination):
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Okunevo spiral patterns on deers:
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Sanxingdui spirals at china bronze:
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where did ancient greek spiral patterns at circle A originate? possibly with chariot?

"A tombstone of a royal tomb in Mykenai, dated around 1500 BC, contains one of the earliest images of a chariot in Greece"
A tombstone of a royal tomb in Mykenai, dated around 1500 BC, contains one of the earliest images of a chariot in Greece.


Greek-sculptures-with-the-Golden-Ratio-over-them.jpg

The so-called “Golden Ratio"

Vitruvian Man

"The Golden Section was used extensively by Leonardo Da Vinci. Note how all the key dimensions of the room, the table and ornamental shields in Da Vinci’s “The Last Supper” were based on the Golden Ratio, which was known in the Renaissance period as The Divine Proportion."

seima turbino dagger (single spiral, double spirals, triple spirals combination) at Borodino site

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snake pattern on pin gold inlayed technology at borodino :
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brooch type at borodino:
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star symbol (2-1 below) of Qijia culture where seima turbino reached:
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"The two earliest mirrors from Gamatai (Qijia culture site) and Tianshanbeilu can be dated to around the early second millennium bce, and although there are no earlier examples from Central Asia or the Eurasian Steppe, it is clear that both reflect the crystallization of broader processes involved in the spread of bronze metallurgy across Eurasia. The distinctive star design on the Gamatai mirror is strikingly similar to designs on Seima-Turbino metalwork, suggesting that the mirror arrived in Qinghai from northern Central Asia via indirect trade networks or mobile craftspeople and traders. The Tianshanbeilu mirror, though dated to approximately the same period, appears in a very different context, as the mirror may have been made locally using metallurgical techniques brought from the steppe. The two mirrors thus potentially represent two separate processes within different socio-cultural contexts."


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circle A:

"The stelai are stylistically similar to the grave stelai found at Grave Circle B, but neither groups of stelai resemble similar pieces created by Minoans."

snake pattern and brooch type at circle A:

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Mycenaean Diadem at circle A : 7
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gold inlayed technology on dagger at circle A:
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The Greek goddess Hecate portrayed in triplicate:
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- seima turbino and okunevo spiral patterns spread east and west. This spiral pattern was called " Auspicious clouds" at china, which is related to auspicious significance or deities or immortals;

seima turbino (one spiral, two spirals, three spiral combination):
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okunevo spiral patterns on deers:
Museum_in_Abakan%2C_Khakassia%2C_Russia_2021_-_petroglyphs.jpg


Repeated representations of the hybridised creature on Late NBA razors. Even though there are slight variations to the motif, the overall image appears the same, which is further underlined by the similarity in posture. The hybridised creature is clearly distinguishable from a horse on c, where it co-appears with more natural-looking horses without the oversized eye, the beard and the beak. (after Kaul 1998b: a: Figure 1, b: fig. 203, c: fig. 313).

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spirals " Migration Period picture stone from Havor, Hablingbo, Gotland:

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It's rich of doc's (artefact). The question is the interpretation we may (or not) give them.
 
It's rich of doc's (artefact). The question is the interpretation we may (or not) give them.
He already interpretated them as trash. I endured my dirty mouth shot to lead this thread to be close. Before leaving, I come back here to say "good bye"
 
He already interpretated them as trash. I endured my dirty mouth shot to lead this thread to be close. Before leaving, I come back here to say "good bye"
This is trash by the way,there is similarity between all the artifacts around the world,all the sun symbol,because there are only sun and moon,so much. Sema turbino are related to Shimao,and was N1a1 Zhou clan,which I explained before,Zhou people told they come from western Kunlun, not much of secret,Its in their history books
 
This is trash by the way,there is similarity between all the artifacts around the world,all the sun symbol,because there are only sun and moon,so much. Sema turbino are related to Shimao,and was N1a1 Zhou clan,which I explained before,Zhou people told they come from western Kunlun, not much of secret,Its in their history books
Seima Turbino is a cultural terms, and apparently not an ethnic qualification. The first traces of this S.T. culture appeared around 2000 BC. Even if not the mainstream opinion, some archeologists seem linking the metallurgic aspect to Iran sphere, ta least partly !?! - The cultural, artefacts aspects links it to diverse cultures or rather could show it expanded among diverse ethnies and precedent cultural horizons. The S.T. horizon had inputs on IE's and Finno-Ugric's if I don't mistake and the paternal markers, Y-N1 a sa whole is rather Uralic and northern. I know very little but the story of this materal (and religious?) culture diffusion is rather complicated.
 
他已经把它们解读成垃圾了。我忍着脏话把这个帖子拖下去。离开之前,我回来跟大家说声“再见”
Seima Turbino is a cultural terms, and apparently not an ethnic qualification. The first traces of this S.T. culture appeared around 2000 BC. Even if not the mainstream opinion, some archeologists seem linking the metallurgic aspect to Iran sphere, ta least partly !?! - The cultural, artefacts aspects links it to diverse cultures or rather could show it expanded among diverse ethnies and precedent cultural horizons. The S.T. horizon had inputs on IE's and Finno-Ugric's if I don't mistake and the paternal markers, Y-N1 a sa whole is rather Uralic and northern. I know very little but the story of this materal (and religious?) culture diffusion is rather complicated.
The ordos culture was not established until 800 BC. It belongs to the Andronovo R1a culture and belongs to the edge of China. The subsequent majiayuan culture was even later. The earliest ordos culture was established 300 years later than the Zhou Dynasty.
I think R1a unrelated to turbino,or at least not major part of it
 
Seima Turbino is a cultural terms, and apparently not an ethnic qualification. The first traces of this S.T. culture appeared around 2000 BC. Even if not the mainstream opinion, some archeologists seem linking the metallurgic aspect to Iran sphere, ta least partly !?! - The cultural, artefacts aspects links it to diverse cultures or rather could show it expanded among diverse ethnies and precedent cultural horizons. The S.T. horizon had inputs on IE's and Finno-Ugric's if I don't mistake and the paternal markers, Y-N1 a sa whole is rather Uralic and northern. I know very little but the story of this materal (and religious?) culture diffusion is rather complicated.
besides,There is no haplogroup R with TMRCA beyond 2000 years locally spread in core part of China,If you take a chinese R,(with 1%)they are all Hui muslims,2000 years ago was date of Han dynasty,so not even bronze age anymore,No relation,Ordos culture nomads outside border,eventually got killed by Qin
 

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