G25 Global Ancient Civilizations

[qh777]

I made a list using averaged coordinates that were merged together and relabeling them to a rough correlation between the time period/region and the ancient civilization present. For example there exists multiple averaged ancient Armenian samples from the Iron Age. I averaged all the averaged coordinates together into one Ancient_Armenians sample. I've seen lists like this before so I created one myself. I'm open to more suggestions.

 

[torzio]

Distance to: VitZandePret
0.02432954 Illyrians
0.03652794 Romans_Republic
0.04687715 Northern_Gauls
0.04731163 Southern_Gauls
0.06263403 Ancient_Iberians
0.06383510 Germanic_Tribes
0.06981489 Thracians
0.07322694 Celtic_Britons_England
0.07432510 Tartessians
0.07835906 Celtic_Britons_Wales
0.08390249 Picts-Caledonians
0.08982711 Romans_Imperial
0.09308361 Ancient_Greeks
0.09440813 Ancient_Scandinavians
0.10602858 Western_Scythians
0.12546533 Hittites
0.12680639 Ancient_Armenians
0.13939350 Phoenicians
0.14724112 Ancient_Balts
0.14809687 Ancient_Persians
0.15611099 Ancient_Assyrians
0.18192284 Ancient_Egyptians_TIP
0.22040062 Ancient_Egyptians_Old-MiddleKingdom
0.24586994 Ancient_Elamites
0.35472984 Harappans-IndusValley

 

[thunorr]

I made a list using averaged coordinates that were merged together and relabeling them to a rough correlation between the time period/region and the ancient civilization present. For example there exists multiple averaged ancient Armenian samples from the Iron Age. I averaged all the averaged coordinates together into one Ancient_Armenians sample. I've seen lists like this before so I created one myself. I'm open to more suggestions.

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Target: thunorr_scaled
Distance: 1.8218% / 0.01821838
40.2 Picts-Caledonians
16.0 Celtic_Britons_England
12.2 Germanic_Tribes
11.8 Ancient_Scandinavians
10.4 Celtic_Britons_Wales
4.0 Ancient_Egyptians_TIP
3.8 Southern_Gauls
1.0 Ancient_Egyptians_Old-MiddleKingdom
0.4 Inca
0.2 Ancient_SouthAfricans


Distance to: thunorr_scaled
0.02209387 Celtic_Britons_England
0.02711279 Celtic_Britons_Wales
0.02773794 Picts-Caledonians
0.02780827 Germanic_Tribes
0.03636227 Northern_Gauls
0.03831699 Ancient_Scandinavians
0.05298689 Southern_Gauls
0.07858430 Illyrians
0.08376953 Ancient_Iberians
0.08814358 Western_Scythians
0.08878002 Romans_Republic
0.09895676 Tartessians
0.10208729 Ancient_Balts
0.13877472 Thracians
0.15105297 Romans_Imperial
0.15507429 Ancient_Greeks
0.15836182 Ancient_Armenians
0.18704335 Ancient_Persians
0.18715836 Hittites
0.19368165 Phoenicians
0.20747065 Ancient_Assyrians
0.22955625 Ancient_Egyptians_TIP
0.26222369 Ancient_Egyptians_Old-MiddleKingdom
0.26547881 Ancient_Elamites
0.35612887 Harappans-IndusValley

Pretty accurate. Scandinavian percentage is on point, not too sure about the total Germanic and Celtic percentages.

 

[qh777]

Target: thunorr_scaled
Distance: 1.8218% / 0.01821838
40.2 Picts-Caledonians
16.0 Celtic_Britons_England
12.2 Germanic_Tribes
11.8 Ancient_Scandinavians
10.4 Celtic_Britons_Wales
4.0 Ancient_Egyptians_TIP
3.8 Southern_Gauls
1.0 Ancient_Egyptians_Old-MiddleKingdom
0.4 Inca
0.2 Ancient_SouthAfricans


Distance to: thunorr_scaled
0.02209387 Celtic_Britons_England
0.02711279 Celtic_Britons_Wales
0.02773794 Picts-Caledonians
0.02780827 Germanic_Tribes
0.03636227 Northern_Gauls
0.03831699 Ancient_Scandinavians
0.05298689 Southern_Gauls
0.07858430 Illyrians
0.08376953 Ancient_Iberians
0.08814358 Western_Scythians
0.08878002 Romans_Republic
0.09895676 Tartessians
0.10208729 Ancient_Balts
0.13877472 Thracians
0.15105297 Romans_Imperial
0.15507429 Ancient_Greeks
0.15836182 Ancient_Armenians
0.18704335 Ancient_Persians
0.18715836 Hittites
0.19368165 Phoenicians
0.20747065 Ancient_Assyrians
0.22955625 Ancient_Egyptians_TIP
0.26222369 Ancient_Egyptians_Old-MiddleKingdom
0.26547881 Ancient_Elamites
0.35612887 Harappans-IndusValley

Pretty accurate. Scandinavian percentage is on point, not too sure about the total Germanic and Celtic percentages.

What do you get when you reduce to 3, 4, 5 populations?
Try removing the Picts-Caledonians

The Germanic_Tribes sample was created by averaging Germany_Hassleben_Germanic_elite_1.SG, Germany_Hassleben_Germanic_elite_2.SG, Germany_Hassleben_Germanic.SG, and Netherlands_LIA together.

 

[Ivorix]

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0149% / 0.01491495
24.8 Illyrians
24.6 Ancient_Iberians
17.3 Celtic_Britons_England
9.0 Romans_Imperial
8.2 Germanic_Tribes
5.9 Picts-Caledonians
3.9 Ancient_Greeks
3.6 Ancient_Balts
2.3 Ancient_Egyptians_Old-MiddleKingdom
0.4 Harappans-IndusValley

 

[thunorr]

What do you get when you reduce to 3, 4, 5 populations?
Try removing the Picts-Caledonians

The Germanic_Tribes sample was created by averaging Germany_Hassleben_Germanic_elite_1.SG, Germany_Hassleben_Germanic_elite_2.SG, Germany_Hassleben_Germanic.SG, and Netherlands_LIA together.

Target: thunorr_scaled
Distance: 1.8732% / 0.01873157
63.2 Celtic_Britons_England
26.2 Ancient_Scandinavians
5.0 Ancient_Egyptians_TIP
2.6 Celtic_Britons_Wales
2.4 Southern_Gauls
0.4 Inca
0.2 Ancient_Egyptians_Old-MiddleKingdom

Target: thunorr_scaled
Distance: 1.8874% / 0.01887420 | R3P
70.0 Celtic_Britons_England
24.6 Ancient_Scandinavians
5.4 Ancient_Egyptians_TIP

 

[qh777]

@thunorr Do your results change if you substitute all the Celtic samples and use:

Hallstatt_Celts,0.1282406,0.1392969,0.0631994,0.0308734,0.0474706,0.0062982,0.0042496,0.0047114,0.0126976,0.0153686,-0.0086608,0.0,-0.0099354,-0.0030164,0.0073404,0.0026848,-0.0030098,0.0022594,0.0042842,0.0043771,0.0044506,0.0026481,-0.0009756,-0.0058439,-0.0008481
LaTene_Celts,0.1287746,0.1440084,0.0517358,0.0205731,0.0426973,0.00478,0.0035897,0.0047536,0.0115992,0.015526,-0.0038086,0.0076721,-0.0111404,-0.0061388,0.0041768,0.0002456,-0.0023328,0.00356,0.0035385,-0.0004072,0.0014335,0.0021376,-0.0024234,0.0000446,-0.0012258

It doesn't assign any of those for me and just Germanic_tribes.

Also I added:

Ancient_Irish,0.1255847,0.1272797,0.0618477,0.063308,0.03098,0.0191503,0.0053267,0.006769,-0.0022497,-0.001883,0.0002707,0.0082427,-0.0130327,-0.027983,0.033975,0.024529,0.000956,0.0075167,0.0009217,0.011339,0.0088593,0.0093563,0.0003697,0.0142187,0.005788
Mongols,0.0322971,-0.4115433,0.0742456,-0.0352743,-0.054856,-0.0321771,0.0128278,0.0177012,0.0037411,0.010919,-0.0371666,-0.002042,0.0025522,-0.0050692,-0.0013742,-0.0011324,-0.0003694,-0.0002114,0.0032788,0.0149082,-0.016419,-0.0031585,-0.0143689,-0.0063914,-0.0004138

 

[thunorr]

@thunorr Do your results change if you substitute all the Celtic samples and use:

Hallstatt_Celts,0.1282406,0.1392969,0.0631994,0.0308734,0.0474706,0.0062982,0.0042496,0.0047114,0.0126976,0.0153686,-0.0086608,0.0,-0.0099354,-0.0030164,0.0073404,0.0026848,-0.0030098,0.0022594,0.0042842,0.0043771,0.0044506,0.0026481,-0.0009756,-0.0058439,-0.0008481
LaTene_Celts,0.1287746,0.1440084,0.0517358,0.0205731,0.0426973,0.00478,0.0035897,0.0047536,0.0115992,0.015526,-0.0038086,0.0076721,-0.0111404,-0.0061388,0.0041768,0.0002456,-0.0023328,0.00356,0.0035385,-0.0004072,0.0014335,0.0021376,-0.0024234,0.0000446,-0.0012258

It doesn't assign any of those for me and just Germanic_tribes.

Also I added:

Ancient_Irish,0.1255847,0.1272797,0.0618477,0.063308,0.03098,0.0191503,0.0053267,0.006769,-0.0022497,-0.001883,0.0002707,0.0082427,-0.0130327,-0.027983,0.033975,0.024529,0.000956,0.0075167,0.0009217,0.011339,0.0088593,0.0093563,0.0003697,0.0142187,0.005788
Mongols,0.0322971,-0.4115433,0.0742456,-0.0352743,-0.054856,-0.0321771,0.0128278,0.0177012,0.0037411,0.010919,-0.0371666,-0.002042,0.0025522,-0.0050692,-0.0013742,-0.0011324,-0.0003694,-0.0002114,0.0032788,0.0149082,-0.016419,-0.0031585,-0.0143689,-0.0063914,-0.0004138

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It doesn't assign any of them for me.
Target: thunorr_scaled
Distance: 2.2150% / 0.02215029
53.8 Ancient_Scandinavians
31.8 Germanic_Tribes
7.8 Ancient_Iberians
4.0 Ancient_Egyptians_TIP
1.6 Ancient_Greeks
0.8 Mayans
0.2 Ancient_WestAfricans_PreBantu
Adding mongols and ancient_irish, this is my result.
Target: thunorr_scaled
Distance: 1.7573% / 0.01757276
31.6 Picts-Caledonians
23.8 Ancient_Scandinavians
19.0 Ancient_Irish
15.2 Southern_Gauls
4.6 Germanic_Tribes
3.8 Ancient_Egyptians_TIP
1.6 Ancient_Egyptians_Old-MiddleKingdom
0.4 Inca

 

[qh777]

Added more to the list. You all can add or remove that best fits. As for me the results vary wildly when I add or remove Ancient_Irish.

Without Ancient_Irish:

With Ancient_Irish:

 

[qh777]

Slavs,0.1307067,0.125418,0.0709617,0.0548023,0.0353398,0.0204987,0.0086167,0.010884,0.0012953,-0.018163,-0.0006227,-0.0062693,0.0094152,0.0162393,-0.0131648,-0.0027622,0.0039982,-0.0002535,0.0012568,-0.0015633,-0.0007903,-0.0026587,0.008422,-0.0062055,-0.0036127

Here are the coordinates for Slavs. A google search for Slavic coordinates brought me to a forum where someone named Feiichy made a Slavic G25 list. So, Credit to him for the coordinates.

Here is what a Polish individual gets with my list

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[LaCamadeProcusto]

 

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[moonlightlizard]

I made a list using averaged coordinates that were merged together and relabeling them to a rough correlation between the time period/region and the ancient civilization present. For example there exists multiple averaged ancient Armenian samples from the Iron Age. I averaged all the averaged coordinates together into one Ancient_Armenians sample. I've seen lists like this before so I created one myself. I'm open to more suggestions.

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[Blendion]