Elite leader of the Varna Culture T-M184 ( western Black sea coast )

"All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think..."

Wouldn't it be just as probable for him to be a brother or uncle of the "Golden Man"?...or am I missing something?
 
The Oldest Gold Treasure in the World

BMW said:
"All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think..."

Wouldn't it be just as probable for him to be a brother or uncle of the "Golden Man"?...or am I missing something?
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The Varna sample is way too young to be directly related to the first T-M184, by thousands of years.

The T-M184 that you posted is the Golden Man from the Varna culture.

the image I posted is supposedly from a real recreation.

Golden Man is the nickname of ANI152 VAR 43

... Elite leader individual from the Varna Culture ...

... The oldest gold treasure in the world, dating from 4,600 BC to 4,200 BC ...


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http://badamba.info/english/en_live/en_experimental_archeology.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_Necropolis
 
I get all of that....for the most part.
Just wondering if sharing SNPs with him tends to favor more towards him being a direct ancestor....as opposed to an incredibly distant "cousin".
 
There is still no morereads on Golden man except M184 snp

There is reads on the third neolithic karsdorf T sample KARS537.....using BWA MEM

he is the same as the other 2 samples I0795 and I0797 ...which is T-Y63197 ( x Y152024)
 
one to one

R1 vs var43 (Golden Man)

Largest seg. 9.5 cM
Half seg. 21.9 cM

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one to one

Golden Man vs Salento

Largest seg. 12.8 cM
Half seg. 49.9 cM

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@Torzio

... unrelated to y T, but ... :

one to one

SZ1 vs R1

Largest Segment 4.6 cM

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Golden Man vs SZ1

Largest seg. 18.1 cM

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Salento said:
@Torzio

... unrelated to y T, but ... :

one to one

SZ1 vs R1

Largest Segment 4.6 cM

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interesting that SZ1 is noted as a Other Italian


Kit JX1962641

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Atlantic_Med[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.25[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]North_European[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Caucasus[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]22.96[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Southwest_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]7.27[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Gedrosia[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]5.21[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]East_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.98[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Northwest_African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.62[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.84[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]East_African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.63[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Southeast_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.36[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Sub_Saharan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.28[/TD]

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source)

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]O_Italian (Dodecad)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.22[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Bulgarian (Dodecad)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.61[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Romanians (Behar)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.69[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.88[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]N_Italian (Dodecad)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.24[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]TSI30 (Metspalu)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]C_Italian (Dodecad)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.61[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Tuscan (HGDP)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.67[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Greek (Dodecad)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.84[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]North_Italian (HGDP)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]15.96[/TD]
 
R1 sample...also noted as a Other Italian



Kit AG4512653

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Atlantic_Med[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]34.51[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]North_European[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]26.56[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Caucasus[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.76[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Southwest_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]5.79[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Gedrosia[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.58[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.6[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Northwest_African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.57[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Sub_Saharan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.64[/TD]

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source)

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]O_Italian (Dodecad)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.32[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]N_Italian (Dodecad)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]7.32[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]TSI30 (Metspalu)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]8.83[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Tuscan (HGDP)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.77[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]North_Italian (HGDP)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.16[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]C_Italian (Dodecad)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]11.38[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Romanians (Behar)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.41[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Bulgarian (Dodecad)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.67[/TD]
 
@Torzio
one to one ... this settings:

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... if nothing, Extra: add another 3 on the last rectangular input, ... and check the B38 Checkbox.

not y T, but:
Salento vs I3313 - I4331 - I4332 - I3499
(... without the last Extra settings)

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... y T ...

Salento vs SZ36 & CL23

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one to one

y T Elite Leader vs y T SZ36 & CL23
... 15 cM & 10.3 cM

(... not me, I’m not the “Elite”) :grin:

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,me and I3313


Largest segment = 3.9 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 21.1cM (0.589 Pct)

6 shared segments found for this comparison.

294009 SNPs used for this comparison.

64.297 Pct SNPs are full identical

chr.....1, 8, 17, 18, 19, 21
 
me and Kit RL6378186 (I4331 Ancient Croatia J2b2a)



Largest segment = 3.6 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 19.3cM (0.539 Pct)

6 shared segments found for this comparison.

259257 SNPs used for this comparison.

54.284 Pct SNPs are full identical
 
me and and Kit TX8387837 (I4332 Ancient Dalmatia) [-]


Largest segment = 4.4 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 43.8cM (1.222 Pct)

12 shared segments found for this comparison.

265764 SNPs used for this comparison.

53.982 Pct SNPs are full identical
 
me and Kit JM8436604 (I3499 Vucedol R1b) [-]


Largest segment = 3.7 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 10.4cM (0.291 Pct)

3 shared segments found for this comparison.

148549 SNPs used for this comparison.

53.185 Pct SNPs are full identical
 
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