E-m123*

kingdavid said:
there are cases of e-m123 ancient remains that were found in late bronze age north pakistan among populations
who didn't spoke semitic language infact they are closer to valerius under e-m123>ft20896
specifically they fall under E-FT179548 ( this branch look like it originated in south central asia or at least in modern day iran rather than the levant or north arabia )
also there is a case in the BMAC culture I2085 individual who is e-m123>m34 (his y calls are for sure under at least e-m123)
this culture also didn't spoke semitic language ( but i could be wrong here)

p.s
but i do agree that the most ancient e-m123 cases where found in the levant
ayn- ghazal-jordan -e-m34
baj'a-south jordan -e-m84
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I predict those samples to descend from Akkadian/Early East-Semitic colonists. They all have Levant_N admixture.

Also can I get a follow back on twitter?
 
Khopesh_Wielder said:
I predict those samples to descend from Akkadian/Early East-Semitic colonists. They all have Levant_N admixture.

Also can I get a follow back on twitter?
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i put I2085 at davidski calculator improved ( meaning i took out levant ppnb since in itself is a mixture of natufian and antolia barcin)


so he is more of a less a pure native to the region he was found

TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028,0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0.0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d,0.037562,0.155376,-0.023381,-0.137276,0.043085,-0.083388,-0.017861,-0.012923,0.124555,0.015672,0.030042,-0.020382,0.082209,0,0.003257,-0.012861,-0.008866,-0.010515,-0.017221,0.021385,0.015348,0.001855,0.008504,0.003735,0
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246


I2085
47.8% IRAN_GANJ_DAREH
32.4% KURA_ARAXES
15.4% YAMNAYA
2.2% TUR _BARCIN
2.0% BRA LapaDosanto
0.2% MAR taforlat
 
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E-FT179548 is hardly related to any Semitic peoples - it is just too old and it seems the split predates the very existence of proto-Semitic. I assume it might have been related to the Natufian culture (which is unrelated to the Semitic languages) at some early period but it likely migrated to the East and was assimilated within the Indo-Iranians. Nowadays it survived only in Uzbekistan and England - with the English case almost surely via Sarmatian troops.
 
Guys, just because is too old doesn't mean it's not related to Proto Afro-Asiatic speakers. There is no other way. Even E-V13 predecessor during Mesolithic must have spoken some sort of Afro-Asiatic.

Hell, there is a hypothesis by Anthony that Coros Farmers influenced the early Steppe people in Carpathian Basin about cattle herding and numerical systems deriving from some extinct Afro-Asiatic speech, no other better candidate than E-L618 so far for the intermediator.
 
Hawk said:
Guys, just because is too old doesn't mean it's not related to Proto Afro-Asiatic speakers. There is no other way. Even E-V13 predecessor during Mesolithic must have spoken some sort of Afro-Asiatic.

Hell, there is a hypothesis by Anthony that Coros Farmers influenced the early Steppe people in Carpathian Basin about cattle herding and numerical systems deriving from some extinct Afro-Asiatic speech, no other better candidate than E-L618 so far for the intermediator.
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Some form of Afro-Asiatic might have been possible - but not specifically Semitic.
 
Valerius said:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y168291/ - This is a new and interesting split in 800 BC. And the 1st TMRCA in a historical period lol.
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valerius
It is
A big enigma given the upstream branch to
e-y168291 goes by tmrca to 3500 bc (chalcolithic Time )
And represented in yfull by a german sample

p.s
But agree a cool split indeed😉
 
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