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Interview with Tibor T?r?k (Google-translated):
https://translate.google.com/transl...oglalas_hunok_avarok_nyelve_magyar&edit-text=
"Tibor T?r?k: We now know about about two hundred conquering genetic data from 26 cemeteries, and they coincide with the theory of small armed elite theory.
(...)
So, do you claim that the languages of the peoples living here were possible, and not the Hungarian conquerors spoke it? This is the Avars, right?
Tibor T?r?k: Yes, it's the Avars, but I'm definitely not supposed to say that they spoke in Hungarian, because we can not deduce from the genes in a language, but I consider this to be a strong, strong hypothesis. It should be noted that this idea has been repeatedly raised in archeology-historian circles, such as ?rmin V?mb?ry, Gyula L?szl?, P?l Engel, J?nos Makkay and G?bor V?kony both announcing this version and arguing that their arguments were not convincingly condemned as most people think . Genetic data seem to support this theory as the onogur Bulgarians were Turkish, and if a small number of onogur teams carried out the conquest and state organization, the language had to be found here and there. At the same time, we have a simple explanation for the significant Turkish language layer in Hungarian. If this hypothesis is true, then only the populace of Avars can be considered as the carrier of the language. Of course not the Avar leaders, because they could be the same minority elite as the conquerors."
On the other hand, about Magyar Conquerors:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/01/19/250688
"Available data imply that the Conquerors did not have a major contribution to the gene pool of the Carpathian Basin, raising doubts about the Conqueror origin of Hungarian language."
https://translate.google.com/transl...oglalas_hunok_avarok_nyelve_magyar&edit-text=
"Tibor T?r?k: We now know about about two hundred conquering genetic data from 26 cemeteries, and they coincide with the theory of small armed elite theory.
(...)
So, do you claim that the languages of the peoples living here were possible, and not the Hungarian conquerors spoke it? This is the Avars, right?
Tibor T?r?k: Yes, it's the Avars, but I'm definitely not supposed to say that they spoke in Hungarian, because we can not deduce from the genes in a language, but I consider this to be a strong, strong hypothesis. It should be noted that this idea has been repeatedly raised in archeology-historian circles, such as ?rmin V?mb?ry, Gyula L?szl?, P?l Engel, J?nos Makkay and G?bor V?kony both announcing this version and arguing that their arguments were not convincingly condemned as most people think . Genetic data seem to support this theory as the onogur Bulgarians were Turkish, and if a small number of onogur teams carried out the conquest and state organization, the language had to be found here and there. At the same time, we have a simple explanation for the significant Turkish language layer in Hungarian. If this hypothesis is true, then only the populace of Avars can be considered as the carrier of the language. Of course not the Avar leaders, because they could be the same minority elite as the conquerors."
On the other hand, about Magyar Conquerors:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/01/19/250688
"Available data imply that the Conquerors did not have a major contribution to the gene pool of the Carpathian Basin, raising doubts about the Conqueror origin of Hungarian language."
