News Article: “Descendants of the Huns are living in today's Sweden”

[ssha_cha7]

“Descendants of the Huns are living in today's Sweden” – exclusive interview | Demokrata

They want to deny the genetic ancestry of some Swedes – says Swedish genetic genealogist Karl O. Högström.

demokrata.hu

What haplotype groups do the Swedes who carry these genes belong to?

A small minority of Swedes carry Y-chromosomal lineages that likely can be traced back to steppe nomadic groups. With the term steppe nomadic, I refer to horse-riding nomads with composite bows during the Iron Age, not the earlier Proto-Indo-European pastoralists. What sets the former apart from the latter is that the horse-riding nomads of the Iron Age carried both West and East Eurasian ancestry to various degrees and they mainly carried Y-DNA branches R-Z93 and Q1.

 

[ZZZZ1111]

probably related to the story of Nibelungenlied? There are huns in the story

 

[ssha_cha7]

Atlakviða (The Lay of Atli) is one of the heroic poems of the Poetic Edda. One of the main characters is Atli who originates from Attila the Hun

Huns are here in Atlakviða as well. One of these may be a part of one or the other, I am not sure.

Atlakviða states that Hunnic contingents were present in Jutland

Mentions as distant as Jutland, and only haplogroups, no burials:

These Hunnic contingents should likely be equated with the cultural horizon known as the Sösdala style. The fact that bearers of the Sösdala style cremated their dead may help to explain why these steppe nomadic Y-DNA branches have never been detected among ancient DNA from Scandinavia.

 

[ssha_cha7]

Which could be a theory that explains the trace amount that likes to correspond to Turkic groups, Xiongnu, and China.

Via Eurogenes ancient individuals:

China WLR BA O
0.20%
91KLM2 Noudg

Location:

Merely a theory. In unscaled coordinates, with no distance, Eurogenes Modern Averages, yields 3% Mongolian Buryat

 

[norbert]

This is a highly politically and ideologically leaning interview which doesn't surprise me because Magyar Demokrata is a far-right magazine. Its editors are probably proponents of Turanism. The origin of the Huns is still a mystery but it is clear that the Indo-Iranian element was very strong among them. They got both R1a-Z93 and Q1a from the Iranian Saka. Be as it may, it is completely irrelevant for the Swedes where R1a-Z93 hardly exists and Q1a makes up about 2-3% of the male lines. To attribute these to the Huns specifically is baseless speculation.

The Nibelungenlied has nothing to do with Norse people.

 

[ssha_cha7]

This is a highly politically and ideologically leaning interview which doesn't surprise me because Magyar Demokrata is a far-right magazine. Its editors are probably proponents of Turanism. The origin of the Huns is still a mystery but it is clear that the Indo-Iranian element was very strong among them. They got both R1a-Z93 and Q1a from the Iranian Saka. Be as it may, it is completely irrelevant for the Swedes where R1a-Z93 hardly exists and Q1a makes up about 2-3% of the male lines. To attribute these to the Huns specifically is baseless speculation.

The Nibelungenlied has nothing to do with Norse people.

All good to know, and a very informed argument. To me it is just an interesting theory, and it would be neat to have some lost Scandinavian Huns (confederacy) as the origin of R-Z93.

Cremation is a reasonable argument for a lack of burials. However, ultimately some sites should show up. If the Hun presence was historically significant.

 

[qh777]

It's a fun idea but I don't think the Huns really made it that far north and didn't impact Scandinavia. R1a-Z93 could trace back to the western steppe herders from the bronze age. Without further notation/subclades it's harder to attribute this y-haplo with later groups. One just has to cast a broader net on what it could be. Seems more likely that the Q1a haplogroup could come from the Saami. But it still is a link to the ancient north Eurasians that contributed to a lot of later populations like the Yamnaya/WSHs, Turkic, and Mongolic peoples.

 

[ssha_cha7]

He does address some present subclades of R-Z93 that are "Hun". As always I am uniformed, however, theoretically if these R-Z93 subclades are "Hunnic", each probably has its own story (if they are as uncommon as Norbert said). Rather than a broad generalization Huns were in Sweden.

The Golden Horde likewise didn't quite so much go north?

Really, it seems to me if the theory is to be proven, it will be with digging the ground finding burials. If there are burials of Huns, then there were Huns, or so it seems. It seems interesting enough to me and I would not 100000% rule it out.

 

[Chlodovechus]

All living Scandinavian Q haplogroups belong exclusively to Q-L527 and Q-L804 branches. They both probably entered Scandinavia long ago and have no known connections with the Huns or any other horse riding nomadic tribes from Asia.