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New(?) article with some nice pics: https://www.medievalists.net/2024/11/early-medieval-flanders-dna/

^^^WBK107 is near the bottom of most of those. Here are closest individuals. Interesting spread: Distance to: Durotrigian:WBK107 0.03509964 Sweden_Viking.SG:vik_stg021_noUDG.SG 0.03538078 Czech_BellBeaker:KOP003 0.03555925 Czech_EBA_Unetice:MIB031 0.03602698...

This one's an outlier. No YDNA yet? Distance to: Durotrigian:WBK107 0.03752376 England_IA_Roman.SG 0.03836438 Norway_Medieval.SG 0.04032146 Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG 0.04047125 Sweden_Viking.SG 0.04190406 Wales_MIA 0.04211947 Denmark_Viking.SG 0.04266241...

Thanks, yes, so we have one (from all those?) from between 700-400 BCE. And Z304 was in the Netherlands for maybe 1,000 years before that.

So another IA British datapoint where the "Ususal Suspects" of ancients Britons (and perhaps displaced Gaul/Belgae) are mainly subclades of L21 and DF27, and where I1, U106, E, J and DF19 are [edit: extremely infrequently not] found until after Roman auxiliaries (or at least Roman cemeteries)...

^^ I wrote that post ~2.5 years ago, and in the last few months a Visigoth DF19 sample has indeed turned up, in Girona.

I just checked. It still fabricates/hallucinates. User beware: The only ancient DF19 from Spain is a Visigoth. There aren't any ancient DF19s in Portugal. There isn't even a single ancient DF19 burial in France, yet. Moderns in Iberia are extremely rare (although there are a few in...

I wish I had a higher resolution grab of this.

Are you sure they are typical Celtic? To me they seem more like typical Germanic side of Belgae if they are Belgae. While they do appear to have Gaulish autosomal ancestry, I'm not sure it's along their paternal line. The Merovingian paper had DF19s from three different subclades of R-Z17112...

I haven't tried it recently, but maybe a year or so ago I tried and the results made me think it was inclined to make wild generalized assumptions on zero concrete archaeological/genetic evidence. Maybe the hallucinations have decreased in the latest versions.

I wish I could persuade yfull to not skip so many DF19>DF88s: They skipped Martiniano's Driffield/Roman Britain paper 6DT23, all three Patterson paper Bronze Age DF19>DF88s (but they do have the DF19>Z302 one from Olalde), and so far missing Klosterneuburg.

It's been 4 years and the chart still has the typo :smile:

Exactly. The DF19 and U106 burials match up to the period where Batavi auxiliaries were known to be stationed there. The L21 (and a G2 burial) are dated as a bit younger and may be from when the Cohors [prima] Aelia Gaesatorum milliaria [peditata] sagittaria ("[1st infantry 1000 strong] archer...

L21 was also found at the Roman auxiliary border fort at Klosterneuburg, Austria (iirc dated ~100-400CE; along with U106 and DF19 in samples dated to a bit earlier).

Interesting split for DF19. Normandy and Nord-Pas de Calais point to northern sourcing. Languedoc was a Visigoth center, but none of the probable Visigoth samples so far have turned up DF19, so it may be something completely different (Franks or later). The fact that none shows in Brittany...

^^ I hope the G25 coordinates for the four Klosterneuburg folks above doesn't take too long.

Hi, just FYI there is a typo in the main R1b tree on that page: DF19 and DF99 have their positions swapped. DF19 is a direct descendant of P312, DF99 is the one that slots under Z40481. :good_job: