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  1. Anfänger

    Southern Ancestry in "Steppe"

    Let’s not derail this thread again.
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    Southern Ancestry in "Steppe"

    How can a population bypass the Caspian Sea from the south and end-up in Northern Caucasus without having tons of Iran_N ancestry when reaching the Kuban and leaving no trace in the southern Caucasus and this in Mesolithic and Neolithic times? Of course they don’t have TTK ancestry because...
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    Southern Ancestry in "Steppe"

    FYI, Middle Don sample is in the forest zone and Khvalysnk and other samples are from the Eneolithic. TTK001 is Tutkaul which I was referring to in my previous post. Tutkaul originates in Central Asia not the Northern Caucasus, and probably got into Steppe samples like Vonyuchka/Progress...
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    Southern Ancestry in "Steppe"

    Can you be more precise which Neolithic Steppe samples you are talking about because I don’t know any. The CHG in steppe samples isn’t exactly the same as the one you find in Georgia, the Kotias-type. It’s more eastern, even if including Tutkaul, as it is more Iran shifted that’s why I think...
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    Southern Ancestry in "Steppe"

    After the new paper focusing on the steppe, it was time to add new findings and samples that prove my point in this thread. One sample of interest is a new Eneolithic sample from the Lower Don, a potential place where a migration from south of the Caucasus might have taken place roughly about...
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    The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/the-genetic-origin-of-the-indo-europeans.45117/
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    Apparently, it’s in Russian? You can find everything related to that sample here though: https://genarchivist.com/showthread.php?tid=525 Sure, it’s unprofessional to argue with crackpots on twitter/x like Lazaridis does from time to time. He probably needs to clarify some things which people...
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    If I understand the paper correctly they argue that the CLV was the PIE homeland and Sredny Stog an offshoot with 4/5 of its ancestry from it and the rest from Ukraine HGs. Sredny Stog being an ancestor to Yamnaya though and therefore the homeland to "Late Proto-Indo-European". Also, the...
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    Davidski didn’t like it but yes, apparently there is Aknashen-related in Yamnaya via the CLV but there is also Central Asian/Tutkaul-related, which is essentially ANE+Iran_N, also via the CLV, probably mediated by BP group. That does prove that there is recent South Caucasus ancestry in Yamnaya...
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    How do you think CLV ends up in Armenia? It got there from the steppe because earlier samples don’t have this "CLV" ancestry. Like always you’re unable to logical thinking.
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    They found steppe ancestry in BA Central Anatolia apparently. Caucasus-Lower Volga ancestry to be more precise.
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    That’s their opinion on that matter. PIA=Proto-Indo-Anatolian PIE=Proto-Indo-European PA=Proto-Anatolian
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    Here is a qpAdm run for the Aknashen population: right = c('Congo_Mbuti.DG', 'Anatolia_Boncuklu_N.SG', 'Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG', 'Satsurblia.SG', 'Morocco_OUB002_Epipaleolithic.SG','Italy_GrottaContinenza_HG.SG','RUS_Arkhangelsk_HG.SG','Botai.SG', 'Andaman 100BP.SG', 'RUS Primorsky DevilsCave N.SG'...
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    Thanks, interesting read. So they are going for a cline of CHG from the Lower Don (Krivyansky) to Lower Volga and North Caucasus for this older CHG ancestry. The second Aknashen_N ancestry they call CHG-related is a bit weird because it is very little CHG-like but already very West Asian with a...
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    The BPgroup is KhlopkovBugor(EHG)+ CHG/PVgroup that’s what I am also getting from the paper but that’s a lot of CHG-related ancestry that far up the Volga. They are not really answering this, it might seem there could be an 1) older cline with CHG on side and EHG on the other side, with...
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    After reading the paper there is something that doesn’t seem to be clear to me. The Berezhnovka BP group is modeled as CHG+EHG+Tutkaul. How do they explain the CHG-related ancestry that far north in the Volga? They say there is cline but the supposed cline explanation is too complicated and...
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    Genetic study A genomic history of the North Pontic Region from the Neolithic to the Bronze Age

    Yep, more or less but they call them Dnipro-Don people not EHG.
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    Genetic study A genomic history of the North Pontic Region from the Neolithic to the Bronze Age

    A genomic history of the North Pontic Region from the Neolithic to the Bronze Age Abstract The north Black Sea (Pontic) Region was the nexus of the farmers of Old Europe and the foragers and pastoralists of the Eurasian steppe, and the source of waves of migrants that expanded deep into Europe...
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    Egyptian Ancient Dna from the Old and Middle Kingdoms

    Those that show minimal Steppe ancestry are contaminated. That should especially be true for "Egyptian_Middle_Kingdom-Djehuty_Nakht_2100B.C:I6130" but if my memory serves me well also for "Egyptian_Middle_Kingdom_Period:Egyptian_1879bc:Nakht-Ankh". Contaminated samples are more or less useless...
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    Egyptian Ancient Dna from the Old and Middle Kingdoms

    The leaked information from twitter/x wasn’t entirely correct. There is no Bell Beaker ancestry in the Middle Kingdom, it’s actually just contamination.
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