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What do you believe you're showing here? First of all, Cheddy and supposed first IE's dark skin colour doesn't establish any recent common origin between them so I don't understand why Cheddy is mentioned here - In THE study where you found the above pictures, the relatively strong input in...

What do you believe you're showing here? First of all, Cheddy and supposed first IE's dark skin colour doesn't establish any recent common origin between them so I don't understand why Cheddy is mentioned here - In THE study where you found the above pictures, the relatively strong input in...

Myths Myths are often very old and travel through more than a way - and they can be adopted later by other ethnies after contacts (the mythic Scythian origin of the Scots!); so they aren't out of worth but they aren't too solid markers either. Italic languages have too much ties with Celtic...

Myths Myths are often very old and travel through more than a way - and they can be adopted later by other ethnies after contacts (the mythic Scythian origin of the Scots!); so they aren't out of worth but they aren't too solid markers either. Italic languages have too much ties with Celtic...

Interesting. I had always thought the Megaliths phenomenon was tied to relatively mighty maritimely mobile elites (and often with specific phenotypes).

I 'm still thinking we have no proof of a south-Caucasus origin of the later steppic Y-R1b even if it cannot be totally discaded. I'm tempted to think the contrary. Or if ti would be the case, these R1b were freshly come fromEast the Caspian.

You address your post at me, OK. I never contradicted you on every aspect you developped. Just I don't share with you your repulsion for auDNA: auDNA is what unifies a pop. auDNA is not reduced to a simple PCA, it contains other clues (IBD's)... auDNA except some aspects is of 0 value when it...

@BoNe I add let's not confuse paternal genealogy and population genetic and ethno-cultural groups. An unique Y terminal of linage, even if it's easy to trace his ancestors, cannot tell us by itself if the last bearer has/had kept on living with his brethren in their original culture or has/had...

100% autosomal replacement in only 4 generations? Even with selection it needs more than 4 generations to erase completely an autosomal component; and selection needs some generations too to produce effects and often concerns only some targeted genes, except if you apply modern technics on the...

I prefer this version to the Stelae/Celtic of the West version even if things could have been a bit more complicated. Concerning DF27 birthplace, I 'm sure of nothing, an unique or a few "older" bearers in a region is not always the proof of it because we saw theories contradicted by new founds...

The diverses temporal means (averages) mix very diverses populations in this simplistic approach. The paelo-mesolithic pop's of western Europe were already diverse, with regional types somtimes very distinct. For eastern Europe I don't know. The HG female of Crimea shows something...

Concerning Y-R1B DF27 and U152 I should accept easily they were dominant among Ligurians, spite I have no anDNA study at hand for them. L21? Less sure... U152 density in S-W Iberia is amazing at first sight - We need deep precise surveys about its diverse subclades. I don't know their density in...

@BoNe I ‘ve some observations to do here : - you speak of dynasties (paternal clans I think) rather than of idividuals cases, OK – but in a group of affiliated people sharing for a while the same recent lineage (lineages break down at some stage, always) some people know new mutations creating...

So you are L151*, so a dead end? (humor) The northern BB's seems beginning about 2500 BC. The first potteries found could be since 2900/2800 BC in western and southwestern Iberia. The question is we are not sure of the typical Y-haplo lineages of these first Iberian BB's and of their identity...

@BoNe I ‘ve some observations to do here : - you speak of dynasties (paternal clans I think) rather than of idividuals cases, OK – but in a group of affiliated people sharing for a while the same recent lineage (lineages break down at some stage, always) some people know new mutations creating...

I find a bit surprising your conceptions of YR1b routes (surprising is an euphemism) - BTW L11-L151-P310 are the same or at least contain very very close mutations if not the very same and are considered as not differentiating subgroups of R1b pop -

I find a bit surprising your conceptions of YR1b routes (surprising is an euphemism) - BTW L11-L151-P310 are the same or at least contain very very close mutations if not the very same and are considered as not differentiating subgroups of R1b pop -

as always a metric survey based only on means witthout a typological approach. To understand the human morphological changes in the details we need both.

Agree. When a dominant people gains power over other people, they pass a majority of their cultural package but don't overwhelm genetically the acculturated pop, so the first known bearers of the new culture are rather "pure" when the subsequent generations are very less "pure" or even almost...

Have we the detailed autosome makeup of these outside individuals?