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you can also use the scythian samples, the getae, the cimmerian, the szolad and HRV samples to measure the iron age balkan ancestry

Ancient Greek and Paleobalkan

What are you trying to say? Do you disagree that the peloponnese is one of the places with the least slavic influence in the balkans and so it should theoretically have the most native balkan genes

If Albos are half slavic half thraco-illyrian hybrid as you claim then South Slavs are on average 80% slavic which is definitely not the case.

There is Albanian influence in the Peloponnese it's just not so large as many Albanian nationalists claim to be

Guys relax we can't be sure about anything yet because we barely have any ancient Greek genomes and the ones we had were heterogeneous from being extremely south European like clustering with sicillians to some helladic samples being thessalian Albanian tuscan like we haven't seen the full...

I agree with you that we should have more ancient dna from Greece but if a paper came out and supported the idea of continuity between modern and ancients you would be the first one to disregard the scientific research as unreliable and biased.

it's difficult for me to imagine that there was not any EV-13 in ancient Greece. There were several cases even of Athenian upper class citizens marrying Thracians or having Thracians origin for example (Thucidides paternally descended from Thracians. His father's name was Oloros which was a...

he supports the idea that the majority of EV 13 found in Greeks is of balkan and especially Albanian/illyrian origins

yeah but they should have used the new medieval slavic samples to calculate the slavic admixture, and to calculate the native percentage in Bulgarians they should have used thracians or dacians instead of ancient Greeks. All in all Greeks and Albanians seem to have about 20-30% slavic ancestry...

I'm aware of the existence of this sample it is just i can't wait for upcoming samples from southeast Europe which are rumored to be heterogenous, some having more steppe and others are going to be anatolian like we just have to wait I guess

Thanks for the replie. Do you have any information on how Iron and roman empire age Balkanites and Greeks are going to turn out??

So EV13 did spread in Balkans during the LBA/EIA. I'm starting to believe that in Greece EV13 was one of the main haplogroups carried by Dorians

If Iron age Greeks turn out log_2 like I think your close affinity with illyrians is going to be replaced by these samples. Also I believe that when we get ancient Macedonians and epirotans mainland Greeks are going to be really close genetically to them

But it should be next to impossible for thessalian epirotans and Macedonian Greeks during the iron age to be log_2 like and southern Greeks to be cypriot - anatolian like. Modern mainland Greeks even today are close to each other genetically and cluster closely

some "insiders" said that we are gonna see more steppe heavy paleobalkan samples. I also thought that we had ancient thracian and illyrian remains which clustered with modern Bulgarians and Romanians

Yeah I agree this northern ancestry is not all slavic some of it might be present in Greece prior to slavs or it could be from hellenized thracians, illyrians, paeonians. I also believe that ancient Macedonians were more northern shifted than mycaeneans. I personally doubt that Greeks have more...

I would like to ask something. Is it possible to say how much slavic ancestry Greeks have? I have seen many users on anthrogenica claiming that Greeks and Albanians have atleast 35-40% balto-slavic dreaft but that seems an exaggeration what do you think?

I see we will wait to see the full picture my prediction is that iron age Greeks are going to be mycaenean like maybe with an extra 5-15% steppe plus some anatolian admixture I guess