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Not true, there was extensive mixing of all Christian Orthodox groups, the haplogroup distribution and variation is evident.

So what if they are. Northern Greece is (eastern) Roman Orthodox clay. Pagan/heathen larps are a few millennia too late, courtesy of Theodosius the Great (and others).

This wouldn't be representative of the Northern Greeks, before or after the population exchange.

Also, apparently 2 of the 8 2017 Cypriot samples are of Maronite origins, w/o them Cyprus would be closer to the Mycenean cluster, apparently Lazaridis didn't know about this when asked on twitter. Another tidbit for context.

I don't have major criticisms on Lazaridis' model (north vs armenian) but I do have a concern about his sampling in the 2017 paper. His claims of modern Greek similarity to Myceneans are based on the usage of Cyprus, Crete and Thessaloniki (samples). The first two are evidently close to...

Interestingly enough, modern Armenians carry pf7562 (not as much as Z2103, but still), not only Albanians.

It's because you are coming from a Western perspective. The region (broadly speaking) cannot be viewed under the prism of 'blood and soil' type of nation building of interconnections (strong or loose) of patrilinear lineages and clans, like in the West. In order to understand it better it has...

What would be the context of Phrygians inside Mycenean archaeology, a palace no less. Listen, friends, I understand these 2 Mycenean R1bs are pissing everyone off, both the "unofficial Greek dna project" (lol), which I assume it's merely the anthrogenica gang, since modern Greeks are not shown...

Blondism and the blue sight is mostly foreign to us people of the Mediterranean sea, mate, always have been. You are preaching to the choir 😄.

Yes, the PF7562s found in the actual Palace of Nestor are not ancient proto-Greek speakers, they are proto-Illyrians/Albanians or w/e going to the beach for the summer. Instead, the Logkas cave females, nowhere near any Mycenean centre with no related archaeology are the proto-Greek speakers...

Haha, okay. His upstream is found in ancient Mycenean Greeks, the samples in Palace of Nestor in Pylos, I13518 and 13506, the only R1b Myceneans so far.

That could be the proto-Greek R1b clade (PF7562/63).

Yes, it's him, XXD or something.

Good post. My personal comment would be that this fixation of the genetics field on BA/IA is becoming a bit highly tiresome if not suspicious. Why is the Medieval period so neglected in comparison? What is so important about 2000 BC in contrast to 1000 AD, for example (random pick)? Are...

Nice fan fic. "Mainland Greeks" on suicide watch.

All of modern g25 samples that don't correspond to the HO library that Reich Labs also use are BS. Use at your own risk.

Well, it's not a big stretch, history is full of migratory patterns. Macedonia with Alexander expanded to the East and created Helleno-Persian syncretisms (Seleucids), Helleno-Egyptian (Ptolemy), Helleno-Bactrian, etc. Europe is currently undergoing severe demographic changes, almost to the...

The founders of Constantinople (and subsequently the move of the capital into ERE) were Christian, though, also a fact. One of my favorite works of art (related):

Well said, I concur, especially with the part of "ignoring" our Byzantine/medieval history, which is done on purpose, because if it's not ignored, then Papal legitimacy is immediately thrown out of the window, but I digress.

It's all relative to interpretation. For me, the ERE represents the Orthodox nation of Christ, above anything else. And as far as identity issues, I don't like talking about myself, but you will be hard pressed to find anyone as close to the Eastern Romans/Byzantines as I am (and many others...