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  1. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    G25 is consistent with qpAdm results when making proximal models while dodecad is not, G25 is a PCA that i made to tell apart related populations. The "genetic continuity" in Anatolia is not actually direct, its just people from the west and east mixing and recreating similar profiles...
  2. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    The only classical mainland Greek samples we have are the mercenaries in Sicily, but we dont know exactly where from they are. We need samples from the main classical mainland cities such as Sparta, Athens, Corinth etc.
  3. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    Which iron age samples seem to have this Aegean profile? The profile didn't really exist in the iron age of West Anatolia, it was similar of course but G25 can help us tell them apart.
  4. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    Still, not a single sample from Classical Sicily is like the Imperial Rome Greek cluster. Obviously there was a big immigration from West Anatolia. Some people here like to claim that its just "Anatolia BA/Minoan" that was already there in Sicily but it was clearly not in the Bronze Age, not in...
  5. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    The admixture ratio changed by like 70-90% then. There is no such problem if you are doing it right, i literally posted models with much less proxies and they showed the same thing, i've also compared the results to qpAdm. And before you claim that Anatolia center is being confused with West...
  6. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    If you mean that that profile existed in classical Greek colonies in Sicily/South Italy, I don't think its from pre Hellenistic colonies of South Italy. The samples from classical South Italy did not have a Greek West Anatolian autosomal profile yet. The Greek West Anatolians start moving in...
  7. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    Around 80-90% of modern Greeks are Orthodox Christian, that should say enough. It's often foreigners who ignore 2000 years of Greek history and think Greek means just 400 BC Spartan and Athenian. Ignoring 2000 years of cultural evolution. The dark age period Greeks received a lot of...
  8. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    The Eastern Roman Empire lasted for 1000 years. Hagia Sophia was literally built by Christians, one of the greatest things built by the Romans. Cultures evolve over time. We cannot expect them to be stay exactly the same without progress for thousands of years. The Eastern Roman Empire as a...
  9. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    Thats why my models imply shifts and not direct admix. I say that at the beginning. But we can actually get a good idea that this East Med shift is mainly from Greeks of West Anatolia. It had a large populations and most of the Rome Imperial samples are like West Anatolians. There were even some...
  10. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    Of course. They were a mix of Aegean farmers, Anatolia C/BA and Paleo Balkan. Some of the Logkas shift in early samples could be because of Balkan HG stuff i guess. I'm just showing the shifts here, not direct ancestry.
  11. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    My models make absolutely 100% sense because historically West Anatolian Greeks mass migrated to Italy. There are even poets of that time complaining about the mass influx of Greeks. Italians also mixed with each other which is how the Imperial Greek admixture spread to the North even more. It...
  12. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    Yes, this is the leak i was talking about Hellenistic Greeks in Thessaloniki which seem to plot like South Italians? I could probably test it by making a PCA and checking where South Italians plot compared to MKD_IA and Anatolia
  13. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    You said that if Antiquity Greek is too high then Germanic is raised too. But its not according to the models. I thought you claimed that antiquity Greek and Germanic are overfitting on the opposite directions? But it does not seem to be the case. Or is that not what you were saying?
  14. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    It does not, it actually does the opposite. When Antiquity Greek goes up then Germanic goes down. What can cause too much Germanic shift is Mycenaean, that causes overfits sometimes. How can i make the pictures smaller?
  15. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    Which ancestry from the Aegean would cause such a Germanic shift? There was no such population in the Aegean before the Slavs to cause a shift like that. Unless you mean its overfitting Aegean and Germanic and overshifting them both? It does not look like an overfit. We can actually see in the...
  16. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    And i explained 1000 times that the model does not imply direct ancestry but they only show the shifts. G25 was made to tell apart related populations. I did not just run these models with all the proxies included, i had a separate model for Italians and separate one for Greeks. Actually using...
  17. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    1. I made some simulations by removing Slavic of mainland Greeks, obviously i can't really know the actual profile of Pre-Slavic mainlanders, but they seem to have ranged from Calabrian in the North to Kos/Dodecanese/Cypriot like to the South. It's also confirmed about the Northern part from a...
  18. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    These models do not imply direct ancestry, they only show the shifts. On the left i calculated indirect stuff from the proxies. I modelled Italians without South Slavic and Turkic and Greeks without Italy iron age Italy. The Antiquity Greek proxy are the Rome_Imperial samples without Levantine...
  19. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Their PPNB does not seem to be from Anatolian Farmers, PPNB increased later in Anatolia. The PPNB in Greece seems to be Anatolia C/EBA related. If there was any direct Bronze Age Levantine its probably less than 5%. Mycenaeans score around 10% PPNB but there is 2-3% Standard Error. Anatolia BA...
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