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  1. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    I'm simply dismissing bad biased academic models. According to your Logkas paper, modern mainland Greeks are 95% Logkas and Cypriots have no steppe but they magically have 65% Minoan, 31% CHG and 4% WHG. Obviously that's absurd. In reality there probably isn't even 50% Bronze age Aegean ancestry...
  2. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    According to obvious bad papers. Irrelevant. I explained to you why their models are bad, also Lazaridis' old papers don't count, he often refutes his own old papers.
  3. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Just because they fited some bad models totally against qpAdm theory rules that literally work on everyone, it does not make them true. Why don't Bronze and Iron age Sicilians samples have no such genetic profiles with such high Iran N and Levant? You are 100% proven wrong based on the fact...
  4. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    According to what? Bad Bronze age Dodecad models? Dodecad is irrelevant, its not accurate in any way. Stop using irrelevant bronze age proxies that didn't even contribute to people. Isparta did not migrate to Greece in the classical-roman-hellenistic times since it did not even exist in the Iron...
  5. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    How is Logkas even relevant, modern Greeks are not just Logkas + Minoan + Bronze Age Anatolian. Anatolia didn't stay unmixed for 1000 years after the Bronze Age.
  6. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    I inflated nothing since i removed nothing. I did not inflate Anatolian-Syrian input in Italians and Greeks, that is not possible to happen unless they have Persian admix. To inflate Anatolian-Syrian in someone i would need to take a population that has Iranian and model them without Iranian and...
  7. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    What, no, i was using izmir as a proxy, i didnt model Izmir itself with Mycenaean.
  8. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    I think there is also something missing, perhaps South Anatolian was more Eastern shifted, CHG/Iran N + Levant. It makes sense since migrations have always happened mainly from coastal South Anatolia -> West Anatolia because other routes have mountains, plus the sea making it even easier to...
  9. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Nothing is unadmixed, especially Anatolia BA. Its actually easier to tell apart Anatolia Central IA (separated from the Hellenistic samples) and Mycenaean than Anatolia BA and Mycenaean. Also i didn't even use iron age West Anatolians to model modern Greeks on that chart so i don't get how they...
  10. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Logkas was never an outlier, it was just too old. Its like taking Yamnaya samples and saying "look they are outliers compared to modern populatons". Logkas is simply ancestral to ancient Greeks. The samples from the South border of North Macedonia seem to be mostly Logkas like. I'm simply...
  11. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    G25 proximal models are consistent with qpAdm but dodecad are not. Also that model is forcing Isparta to inflate, there is no Levantine + South East Anatolian + Armenian related proxy, which are both absolutely necessary for Cypriots. Dodecad is not a good PCA either, it is useless as a PCA...
  12. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Anatolia was already mixed by the iron age with Balkan + Mycenaean + East/South Anatolia. Especially on the coast, West Anatolia. The Anatolia BA models must stop for that reason, they are unrealistic. The Roman era West Anatolians seem to be Mycenaean + Bronze age West Anatolia + South/East...
  13. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Davidski did not explicitly claim that mainland Greeks have literal direct Greek Cypriot ancestry but he did suggest that before mixing with the Slavs they had a genetic profile similar to Greek Cypriots. Before the Slavic migrations, the mainland Greeks developed a genetic profile akin to that...
  14. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    The actual dozens of Rome Imperial samples on average seem to have a 50% West Anatolian shift, so over time when these people mixed with each other they would have been 50% West Anatolian, then it gets diluted down to 33% by North Italians and then raised up later up to 40% by South Italians.
  15. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    But your models also work on Cypriots, they can be modelled with 0% Levantine, does that make it true? Another peer reviewed study modelled Northern Greeks as 90% directly Logkas Bronze Age Proto Greek, does that make it true? They literally have 30% Slavic admix. The same study modelled...
  16. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    The point is that the majority of the Anatolian ancestry in Italians came after the classical period. I've literally proven it with actual periodical models showing that Bronze Age and Iron Age sicilians did not have such an imperial Anatolian shift. Just because you can fit Bronze Age...
  17. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    oh i guess Cypriots are just pure Early Bronze Age Anatolians then with 0% Levantine. According to your logic it fits, therefore its true. <- That's why im advising against irrelevant old Bronze Age models. You can fit this on qpAdm too but it doesn't make it historically true. If you can...
  18. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    Its not ethnic cleansing if its just Greeks migrating to Greek regions. 400-500 years have passed since the Classical samples.
  19. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    No, the models you sent me are the ones actually forcing models on populations with different histories. They skip thousands of years of migrations and attempt to force Anatolia BA models, assuming that they are actual direct ancestors. The models i made were historical while the models you sent...
  20. Idontknowwhatimdoing

    G25 G25 imperial Greek shift in Greeks and Italians + a comparison with qpAdm

    Okay, because studies are always true and not biased then the study claiming that modern Northern Greeks are directly 90% Bronze Age Logkas proto Greek must be right? Lol Just because a study fitted a model, it does not make it true. The studies you sent made oversimplified models with very old...
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