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Someday maybe we'll understand why they push this narrative, as if they were trying to overstate non-European inputs (even "smuggling" them through the European Aegean direct input, in this specific case). Of course scientists don't live in a bubble and they also have a cultural formation and...

Yet again, a summary where the terms "Greek" and "Near Eastern" are used as interchangeable terms. As to the Phoenicians I doubt their genetic footprint was significant in Central Italy as they were themselves a small minority in the Greek South even before supposingly migrating to Central Italy.

I identify with ancient Italics mostly, although my Y-DNA is commonly associated to North Germanic peoples.

Geographically it makes sense.

Thanks for clarifying that to me.

I still can't reconcile such (I guess quite outspread) "pan-Italian Roman" cluster with what Tautalus was writing about a Western Anatolian Roman/Byzantine cluster from the study linked above. Sorry if I'm confusing things up but right now I'm confused myself.

I'm confused here. Are we talking of West Anatolians? Are we talking of South/Central/North Italians? As Vitruvius points out those are not inter-changeable. Also scientists should make up their mind: are "South/Central/North Italians" homogeneous enough to form a cluster? Sometimes they are...

Central and Eastern Mediterranean is quite a wide and heterogeneous area to form a unique component though, isn't it?

My wife is Spanish, so I know better not to go there re the Basques and what almost any aspect of their political, scientifical and cultural life is aimed at demonstrating.

I would have expected some Basque samples in this study, considering that it was funded by the Basque government. 🤷‍♂️

To better explain my point of view. What someone might see (mind you, equally arbitrarily) in those plots is that a third group exists: the "Central", roughly equidistant between the "Western" and "Eastern" groups. It depends on what is my interpretation and my interpretation an awful lot of...

That was really not my intention, I apologise for not being clear enough. As a matter of fact, in my previous post, I highlighted that this sort of "eastern"/"western" grouping, in my opinion, provides valuable information only to the extent that it is based on autosomal DNA rather than...

In respect to the study linked in the OP: I find these labels arbitrary and of little informative value (if not possibly misleading): what's the point of having, for example, the Tuscans in a "Western" group and the people from Marche in an "Eastern" group when in fact they are genetically...

In this latter study North-Eastern Italy lies comfortably in the "western" group though.

To me it is surprising if there were such a huge difference in Y-DNA distribution to conclude that the Tuscans and the Romagnoli are "Western Mediterraneans", while their neighbours from Marche and Lazio (which would appear even more "eastern" that Sicily) are "Eastern Mediterraneans". At least...

For some reason I can't post on the Anthropology and Ethnografy forum, it just reads that I don't have sufficient privileges to post there. 🤷‍♂️ Any idea what's going on?

"82% Greco-Roman" and 18% immigrants? :unsure: Besides of being puzzled of what an "Italic-Aegean Greek mix" is (people hailing from Magna Graecia as opposed to proper Hellenistic Aegean Greeks from Greece?), what truly strikes me, assuming that I'm reading the data correctly, is the supposed...

I'm not aware of any concrete evidence for that. Inferring that from random places names and supposed similarity in Indoeuropean deities is absurd. On the other hand I suspected crackpot theories like those would start to pop up in this thread as soon as I read references about CHG/Iran_N...

Do you mean classification of human races based on cranial measures? I see that a lot on certain "dubious" forums, but is that considered a sound scientifical way to infer genetic ancestry? And even if those variations existed shouldn't they be readily attributed to the environment, just like...

AutosomDNA is contradicted by phenotype on several instances. I could make many examples even on large scale at populations level. Or maybe there's a degree of detail that we are still missing in our analyses, and that would allow to reconcile autosomal DNA and phenotype in a more consistent and...