New distribution map of haplogroup E-M123

[kingdavid]

from someone at twitter :
i guess most of 12% e1b1b1 in assyrians should be e-m34 and e-v13

 

[Harutyan Jort]

i believe it will be found there in the end
we don't have enough remains
and egypt as a country don't rush to published results
so it is complicated situation with that country
do you know
if copts carry e-m123?

p.s
asking since i believe copts should reflect more isolated group in modern egypt

yeah, I guess that might be the same case of E-M123 in ancient Turkmenistan, that guy's autosomal is so Iran-neolithioc that no population in central asia and south asia today can score more Iran-neolithioc components than him! yet you don't see ancient E-M123 sample in Iran

 

[Harutyan Jort]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-003-1031-4
old but not outdated Y dna on Turkey national wide
E-M123=29/523=5.54%

 

[kingdavid]

this paper in russian

Полиморфизм микросателлитных локусов Y-хромосомы у крымских караимов и крымских татар | Патогенез

pathogenesis.pro

looked at the y chromosomes in crimean karaites , and crimean tatars
(samples from actual crimea)
( 23 y-str predicted by nevgen predictor)
4/26 15% e-m123>m34 in crimean karaites ( 3/26 e-z841 + 1/26 e-m84)

EK-10,EK-14,EK-57-e-m34>z841 ( likely e-y2947)
EK-51- e-m84 (likely e-y5435)

p.s
Crimean tatars at this research don't carry e1b1b1 at all
it is interesting that crimean karaites fall on different branches of e-z841 , e-m84 from ashkenazi jews
e-z841>y2947 and e-m84>y5435
maybe the source of there e-m34 is from caucasus or from turkic source

Crimean Karaites - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[kingdavid]

i will not let this thread to be dead
very old paper still snp tested
1/34 2.9% e-m123 in corsica (the 34 samples were taken from corte and bastia)


source:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/10738735_Peopling_of_three_Mediterranean_Islands_Corsica_Sardinia_and_Sicily_inferred_by_Y-chromosome_biallelic_variability

p.s
since the snp was only to the e-m123 level
this 1 e-m123 haplotype could be under e-ft20896 though it doesn't have to be e-m34

 

[kingdavid]

while i dont know since the quality of that sample if it was
e-pf1962
e-pf1962>m123,
e-pf1962>m123>ft20896
e-pf1962>m123>m34>z841
there was a paper in 2016 by hofmanova :
Palaeogenomic and Biostatistical Analysis of Ancient DNA Data from Mesolithic and Neolithic Skeletal Remains
in it they mentioned Bar11 as e1b1b1-m35

that is the ancesteral and derived form in the position 21741703 (which defined e-m35)

and now a week ago i saw at ftdna discover that they defined Bar11 as under e-z830
which is amazing find more natural would be e-L618 and that would explain his enterence to balkan europe and
it is based on a paper by hofmanova from the year 2022

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.24.497512v1

p.s
most of the individuals from that site were under y haplogroup G to find e1b1b1 at that site from 6600-6000bc
would be amazing beyond words hope ftdna discover tool are true here


the ytree site kindly uploaded him kudos to him

Bar11 - E-Z830 / X - 祖源树TheYtree

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