Not that big of a revelation imo, Lazaridis 2017 showed Albanians (as well as Bulgarians to a lesser extent) pretty close to Mycenaean samples, on par with some Italians basically, only second to Italians and Greeks. Same for Minoan samples (but with larger distances for all).
Such a close (relatively) genetic distance for Bulgarians is unexpected and could indicate that our assumptions about them having significant Slavic ancestry (I refer to "pure", proto-Slavic and not the later Slavic speakers heavily admixed with Balkan-like & other populations) are incorrect...
There won't be anything new on Greece (besides preprints at most) as long as there's still a lot of things that remain unmapped in terms of population sources during the BA. Because otherwise if a paper is published and runs a few models with proxies, and then it turns out different proxies were...
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I see your point, but this is what I wrote: "In fact it's Balkanic with Greek, Armenian, Albanian, Phrygian, Thracian etc". A.k.a. "in fact Greco-Armenian doesn't exist". A connection between Greek and Armenian is confirmed, but on a broader language family level (Balkanic). I didn't mean...
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Yes, I completely agree. The proto-Greek language is unrelated to the BB-related/CWC-related geneflow found in the Balkans and Greece. You didn't understand what I said. There are two or three papers on this (actually could be be four, Ringbauer's IBD paper also includes it) but this...
That's not even oversimplification but outright incorrect. There's a Mycenaean-like "foundation" so to speak, then IA Anatolian-like influence in some areas, then Balkan influence (proto-slav ancestry % in them is unknown, but from what we see it's lower than expected), then there are various...
Ha I remember the Southern Arc papers, they did include different models in the supplementals and with better qpAdm fits. 100% chance they have run several rotating models but don't want to alienate Anthony yet, gotta have him on board for the citations and promotion. Anthony is the cash cow...
Greco-Armenian is confirmed by linguistics now, in fact it's Balkanic with Greek, Armenian, Albanian, Phrygian, Thracian etc (Olander ed. 2022). You can't rebuke linguistics with genetics.
Proto-Greek language differentiates from Greco-Phrygian at 2200-2000 BCE at the earliest. We do not know...
They're probably trying to argue based on CWC-related admixture that seems mostly mediated by BB-related groups. There are samples in geographical Greek areas (including Logkas) that have it.
Anatolian splits first from Indo-Anatolian, there's no definite answer on Tocharian (it's only conventionally dated as an early split to match Afanasievo), Indo-Iranian could be an early split as well, then there's the CWC-related languages (Italic, Celtic, Germanic, Baltic, Slavic and other...
Upon first glance, their qpAdms seem to confirm that earlier Scythian paper (Gnecchi-Ruscone et al 2021): as early Scythians (high in Siberian/EA ancestry) moved westward, BMAC-like ancestry increased (likely CHG/Iran from the Caucasus) and Siberian/EA ancestry decreased.
I wish papers stopped...
Technically, it's like this:
- The Balkanic language family (Greek, Armenian, Albanian, Phrygian etc) is linked to Yamnaya-related ancestry instead of CWC-related ancestry
- Italo-Celtic is linked to CWC-related ancestry (through BB or not) instead of Yamnaya-related ancestry
see Olander ed...
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